California Democrats Pass Impeachment Resolution

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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    know1 wrote:
    These are our tax dollars at work. What a waste of time and money....just like 95% of everything the government does.

    Better to waste money to object to these things than to silently say it's okay.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Looking at better ways to spend our tax money other than throwing it away on a pointless war doesn't seem so horrible to me. I would rather use the money for things, that to me, would be helpful and contructive.

    I can agree with you on that. Impeachment hearings do not achieve this goal. Tax cuts do achieve this goal although I don't consider that spending money.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    El_Kabong wrote:
    which i bet pales greatly in compairson to the amount of money we've sunk into this occupation

    Amen! It's all waste if you ask me...or at least somewhere above 90% of it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    No but there is a chance for some sort of punishment. A year is not much time for all of the evidence to be heard and a final decision to be handed down by the House. Even if the house voted to impeach, the Senate would take a while figuring out whether or not to remove him from office. Jan. 21, 2009 is not that far away. This is why it is a waste of money and energy.
    If done properly, the whole Republican Party gets punished. If done properly and comprehensively, the whole government gets punished.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RainDog wrote:
    If done properly, the whole Republican Party gets punished. If done properly and comprehensively, the whole government gets punished.

    That's always nice to see a witch hunt to get people who have nothing concrete to do with what you are complaining about in the first place. I love constructive uses of our tax dollars.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    That's always nice to see a witch hunt to get people who have nothing concrete to do with what you are complaining about in the first place. I love constructive uses of our tax dollars.
    The elected officials of the modern Republican Party led us into this war (no, I don't believe it was just a few "bad apples"), and the elected officials of the Democratic Party largely followed. Let's drag them all out into the sun.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    According to the counter, I clocked the war at about 200,000 dollars per minute or 12 million dollars per hour.

    So we divert funds from the war for a few hours...

    ....best few hours America ever spent IMO...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    zstillings wrote:
    That's always nice to see a witch hunt to get people who have nothing concrete to do with what you are complaining about in the first place. I love constructive uses of our tax dollars.


    i'd say more accountability than 'witch hunt'

    our whole system has failed us, the majority of blame DOES land on the administrations shoulders but that doesn't excuse pretty much everyone else rolling over and doing nothing
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    zstillings wrote:
    That's always nice to see a witch hunt to get people who have nothing concrete to do with what you are complaining about in the first place. I love constructive uses of our tax dollars.

    Annihilation of Washington, DC?

    I'm down.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RainDog wrote:
    The elected officials of the modern Republican Party led us into this war (no, I don't believe it was just a few "bad apples"), and the elected officials of the Democratic Party largely followed. Let's drag them all out into the sun.


    Barack and Hilary and others are essentially planted undercover republicans imo...whether they even realize it yet or not. Out of the 8...six are absolutely terrrible choices.

    Kucinich or Gravel are the only intelligent and morally correct choices. Of that... Kucinich

    ...all the rest are essentially the exact same pieces of shit standing in a different pile

    This thing needs a serious overhaul...not just a new coat of paint.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Barack and Hilary and others are essentially planted undercover republicans imo...whether they even realize it yet or not. Out of the 8...six are absolutely terrrible choices.

    Kucinich or Gravel are the only intelligent and morally correct choices. Of that... Kucinich

    ...all the rest are essentially the exact same pieces of shit standing in a different pile

    This thing needs a serious overhaul...not just a new coat of paint.
    So you really think Barak would have invaded Iraq? Hell, I don't even think Hillary would have.

    I like Kucinich. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. Now let's see if he does.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RainDog wrote:
    So you really think Barak would have invaded Iraq? Hell, I don't even think Hillary would have.

    I like Kucinich. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. Now let's see if he does.

    really probably anyone would be better than Bush. Bush is probably the worst case scenario. I just don't think Hillary or Barack will be separated enough from it all to be much of a difference overall. I could be wrong, but I think something more radical needs to take place. These commercial brand polish and shine candidates scare me. Something along the lines of a wise prophet instead of a starry eyed candidate. Bush has been such a nightmare...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Kucinich

    ...all the rest are essentially the exact same pieces of shit standing in a different pile

    This thing needs a serious overhaul...not just a new coat of paint.

    well said
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I know I'm a dreamer, but I'd like to see the People unite and overthrow the embarrassment we call the Bush Administration. Impeaching obviously does nothing; actually forcing Bush and Co. to a halt and overthrowing our dictator is more along the lines of what needs to be done.

    I'm sick of hearing people in other countries hate us, the citizens, for what our leader has done. He needs to be stopped now!
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I know I'm a dreamer, but I'd like to see the People unite and overthrow the embarrassment we call the Bush Administration. Impeaching obviously does nothing; actually forcing Bush and Co. to a halt and overthrowing our dictator is more along the lines of what needs to be done.

    Usually, a dictator isn't term limited out after 8 years.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'm sick of hearing people in other countries hate us, the citizens, for what our leader has done. He needs to be stopped now!

    If you're sick of it here, imagine if you were French. They've been through a lot more years of hatred than we have.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    RainDog wrote:
    So you really think Barak would have invaded Iraq? Hell, I don't even think Hillary would have.

    I like Kucinich. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. Now let's see if he does.

    I don't think any of the Democrats would have. That does not, however, keep them from being pro-war. They who went along willingly are, at worst war hawks and at best poor leaders.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    So you really think Barak would have invaded Iraq? Hell, I don't even think Hillary would have.

    I like Kucinich. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. Now let's see if he does.

    He won't get anything if people are too afraid to stand behind him now.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    He won't get anything if people are too afraid to stand behind him now.
    For me, it has nothing to do with fear. I'm simply not a registered Democrat, so I can't vote for him in any primaries (and I'm not sure if I would - though he is one of my "finalists" so to speak). Besides, even if I could, I live in Louisiana, which pretty much counts for bupkiss during primary season.

    Would you accept him as a Veep (you know, in case I win the nomination ;) )?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    For me, it has nothing to do with fear. I'm simply not a registered Democrat, so I can't vote for him in any primaries (and I'm not sure if I would - though he is one of my "finalists" so to speak). Besides, even if I could, I live in Louisiana, which pretty much counts for bupkiss during primary season.

    Would you accept him as a Veep (you know, in case I win the nomination ;) )?

    Well for many it has to do with fear of him being a long shot. I'm just staying you won't increase his odds any by saying you like his stances the best but then not support him.

    I'm not a registered Dem either. I think I can still vote in the primaries here, though. So why wouldn't you vote for him if given that you would be able to?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well for many it has to do with fear of him being a long shot. I'm just staying you won't increase his odds any by saying you like his stances the best but then not support him.

    I'm not a registered Dem either. I think I can still vote in the primaries here, though. So why wouldn't you vote for him if given that you would be able to?
    I never said I like his stances the best. I said he would be one of my finalists were I able to vote in the primary - meaning that given the chance I might actually vote for him.

    Assuming that I wouldn't vote for him, then why? If I'm not mistaken, he's for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq to be replaced by an international security force (correct me if I'm wrong). While I find that plan infinitely superior to the Bush Republican's open ended (i.e. never ending) occupation, I'm not sure it's the best one. At the moment, I think a more gradual (though still expedited) pull out would result in fewer deaths.

    I temper this with words like "not sure" and "I think" because it's possible my views will change over the course of the next year. And, contrary to the news coverage I've been seeing lately, the first primaries are still a year away.

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