al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until U.S.-led forces got there!!!
yea I know. whats your point? this statement has nothing with the questions i asked you. Iraqis do not want el queda in their country. and the US does not want el queda to have a base of operations.
~bring the troops home NOW
~abolish the IRS and Fed Reserve (return to the Gold Standard)
~less Government = More Freedoms
~Obama = member of the CFR (if you don't know, look it up)
RonPaul2008.com
get educated
another ron paul troll? did driftin put you up to this?
welcome aboard. use the search feature to find the 290+ threads on your buddy rp. you came to the right place if you want to discuss him. sadly, he has no chance of becoming president. driftin will lead you to believe it is the media who caused this when actually it is his lack of speaking skills that lead to his downfall during the debates. IMO.
but anyway this is a obama thread. a guy who, at this point, is the leading candidate to be the next president of the united states.
Ron Paul = the sink or swim you're on your own candidate
no thanks
Ron Paul has some very good ideas...and some very scary ones...but then again, so do all the candidates.
I'm glad Ron Paul was part of the discussion after all. I thought he was a weird little troll man like Kucinich, and he kinda is, but he makes far more sense.
Still, I don't want him leading this country, I want him to have his voice in it, but not lead it. WE could use a few more Ron Paul's in Congress though.
Ron Paul = the sink or swim you're on your own candidate
no thanks
No he isn't. Ron Paul = the federal govt won't hire pimply 16 year old lifeguards. If you don't know how to swim, take lessons, feel free to bring a buddy who does, or get together with a bunch of friends/family/aquaintences and hire one yourself.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Bill Clinton, a very wealthy man, is more than willing to pay higher taxes as he famously said.
Did he then cut the government a check? I mean, no one is stopping him from paying whatever additional taxes he would like.
It's based on a simple principle - you have more, you give more.
I think you mean "foolish" principle.
Is it fair? Not really, per se. But it's the right thing to do. The upper class should recognize that they have a responsibility to share some of their wealth because they can afford to do so.
Huh? Why haven't you sold your computer and sent the money to Africa? You certainly could afford to do so.
Boohoo, it's not fair. Poor people deserve to be poor, so you guys don't have to help them, right?
No one "deserves" to be poor or rich. People are poor or rich, largely dependent on the conditions they live in and/or the choices they and others around them make. Everyone, rich or poor, has a right give help where they see fit and accept help when they see fit. But to suggest that either the poor or the rich have some kind of eternal responsibility to each other is baseless and silly, particularly when you seem to be saying that other people have whatever obligations you decide they do.
but the "wealthy" are already taxed the most. now you want to tax them more becuase you think they can afford it. so no its not fair. it creates an environment that discourages people to strive for higher positions. why do it when you are only going to be forced to give your money back?
To be fair, I have talked to many, many wealthy people who said that they can afford a tax increase, or can afford the cost of something more expensive (an increase in college tuition, or something along those lines). Coming from a working class family, I cannot afford an increase in my tuition - I went to the cheapest school possible, and every hike is a stab in the heart. I've never talked to a working class family that has said "Yeah, I can afford a slightly higher tax rate"...I have heard the upper class say it plenty of times.
Is raising their taxes fair to pay for welfare and other social programs? Not entirely, but in small doses I think it's justified. Although, I don't like $1 trillion of tax payers' money, including my own, going to a war that wasn't handled correctly and was lied about.
Paulbots are honestly the most annoying group of people in politics since George W. Bush became president. Where were these millions of libertarians screaming about the price of the dollar, free trade, and the Constitution in '04, '00, and '96? If I have to see one more "VOTE DR. RON PAUL 09 OMGZ! HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS TEH CONSTUTIONS!" when I watch a YouTube video, I'm going to hurt something.
Paulbots are honestly the most annoying group of people in politics since George W. Bush became president. Where were these millions of libertarians screaming about the price of the dollar, free trade, and the Constitution in '04, '00, and '96?
Right here. We voted for Michael Badnarik and Harry Browne.
Right here. We voted for Michael Badnarik and Harry Browne.
I don't doubt there out there - one of my friends did. But, he got 397,265 votes in '04, and now he's getting 10x that in every state? Two guys on my dorm floor are Paulbots are constantly tell me how he's the only hope for America, how he is the only one who understands the Constitution, and a whole bunch of stuff they copied from his website about the dollar, free trade, and the gold standard. These two voted were Dubyah fans until Ron Paul started running (although they weren't really interested in politics, so I'm not sure how knowledgeable and devoted their backing was).
I just find it kind of odd that the Libertarian candidate in '04 is getting 1/50 of the vote that Ron Paul is getting this year, and out of nowhere we have all these newfound Libertarians that, for some odd reason, either new absolutely nothing about politics a year ago, or supported George W. Bush.
I don't doubt there out there - one of my friends did. But, he got 397,265 votes in '04, and now he's getting 10x that in every state? Two guys on my dorm floor are Paulbots are constantly tell me how he's the only hope for America, how he is the only one who understands the Constitution, and a whole bunch of stuff they copied from his website about the dollar, free trade, and the gold standard. These two voted were Dubyah fans until Ron Paul started running (although they weren't really interested in politics, so I'm not sure how knowledgeable and devoted their backing was).
I just find it kind of odd that the Libertarian candidate in '04 is getting 1/50 of the vote that Ron Paul is getting this year, and out of nowhere we have all these newfound Libertarians that, for some odd reason, either new absolutely nothing about politics a year ago, or supported George W. Bush.
Ron Paul is an "it" candidate, that's all. 75% of these people will move onto some other issue next year.
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hahahahahaha, if you allow the Media to pick your candidate for you then you deserve what you get, more of the same
Ron Paul = Freedom from the Status Quo
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
If I allow it? What does that mean?
You can read, right?????
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
yea I know. whats your point? this statement has nothing with the questions i asked you. Iraqis do not want el queda in their country. and the US does not want el queda to have a base of operations.
another ron paul troll? did driftin put you up to this?
I am no troll.......
check out my Myspace page
I've loved Pearl Jam from Day 1
just because I like Ron Paul doesn't make me a troll
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
super duper, we all love pearl jam. you have 59 total posts. my comment was based on that.
I never have been good at doing things right
I've been a Pearl Jam Fan forever and I just joined the TenClub last year for the first time
I could kick myself for all the Christmas Singles and Secret Shows I have missed
.....and then Ed says, "This is about being friends with an asshole" ~ (points to himself) http://youtube.com/watch?v=h35Qq5Ybpo0
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
welcome aboard. use the search feature to find the 290+ threads on your buddy rp. you came to the right place if you want to discuss him. sadly, he has no chance of becoming president. driftin will lead you to believe it is the media who caused this when actually it is his lack of speaking skills that lead to his downfall during the debates. IMO.
but anyway this is a obama thread. a guy who, at this point, is the leading candidate to be the next president of the united states.
no thanks
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Ron Paul has some very good ideas...and some very scary ones...but then again, so do all the candidates.
I'm glad Ron Paul was part of the discussion after all. I thought he was a weird little troll man like Kucinich, and he kinda is, but he makes far more sense.
Still, I don't want him leading this country, I want him to have his voice in it, but not lead it. WE could use a few more Ron Paul's in Congress though.
No he isn't. Ron Paul = the federal govt won't hire pimply 16 year old lifeguards. If you don't know how to swim, take lessons, feel free to bring a buddy who does, or get together with a bunch of friends/family/aquaintences and hire one yourself.
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
obama
absolutely UN Electable......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
LIES
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
how is it a lie? have you seen the man speak? is there any particular reason why is can never get over 10% voting in any primary.
please explain to me how he is electable. his time is running out.
Did he then cut the government a check? I mean, no one is stopping him from paying whatever additional taxes he would like.
I think you mean "foolish" principle.
Huh? Why haven't you sold your computer and sent the money to Africa? You certainly could afford to do so.
No one "deserves" to be poor or rich. People are poor or rich, largely dependent on the conditions they live in and/or the choices they and others around them make. Everyone, rich or poor, has a right give help where they see fit and accept help when they see fit. But to suggest that either the poor or the rich have some kind of eternal responsibility to each other is baseless and silly, particularly when you seem to be saying that other people have whatever obligations you decide they do.
Me too.
You know he got 16,000 people to come out in Idaho the other day? I think there is only 12,000 democrats in Idaho...
Cant wait for the free drinks at one of these shows Speedy!
To be fair, I have talked to many, many wealthy people who said that they can afford a tax increase, or can afford the cost of something more expensive (an increase in college tuition, or something along those lines). Coming from a working class family, I cannot afford an increase in my tuition - I went to the cheapest school possible, and every hike is a stab in the heart. I've never talked to a working class family that has said "Yeah, I can afford a slightly higher tax rate"...I have heard the upper class say it plenty of times.
Is raising their taxes fair to pay for welfare and other social programs? Not entirely, but in small doses I think it's justified. Although, I don't like $1 trillion of tax payers' money, including my own, going to a war that wasn't handled correctly and was lied about.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
We already have that. The wealthy pay the majority of your taxes already:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States#Tax_distribution
How is this "a fucking no brainer"? Social Security was designed to be a pay-for-yourself system.
Not very clearly, considering the fact that he keeps voting to fund their stay.
Not very cleary, considering the fact that he keeps voting to fund their establishment.
Not very cleary, considering the fact that he keeps voting to fund that presence in the absence of hard goals or timelines.
Not very clearly, since he is happy to accept their money.
Paulbots are honestly the most annoying group of people in politics since George W. Bush became president. Where were these millions of libertarians screaming about the price of the dollar, free trade, and the Constitution in '04, '00, and '96? If I have to see one more "VOTE DR. RON PAUL 09 OMGZ! HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS TEH CONSTUTIONS!" when I watch a YouTube video, I'm going to hurt something.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
Right here. We voted for Michael Badnarik and Harry Browne.
I don't doubt there out there - one of my friends did. But, he got 397,265 votes in '04, and now he's getting 10x that in every state? Two guys on my dorm floor are Paulbots are constantly tell me how he's the only hope for America, how he is the only one who understands the Constitution, and a whole bunch of stuff they copied from his website about the dollar, free trade, and the gold standard. These two voted were Dubyah fans until Ron Paul started running (although they weren't really interested in politics, so I'm not sure how knowledgeable and devoted their backing was).
I just find it kind of odd that the Libertarian candidate in '04 is getting 1/50 of the vote that Ron Paul is getting this year, and out of nowhere we have all these newfound Libertarians that, for some odd reason, either new absolutely nothing about politics a year ago, or supported George W. Bush.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
Ron Paul is an "it" candidate, that's all. 75% of these people will move onto some other issue next year.
Those supporters seemed much more mentally stable than the other 90% of Congressman Paul's supporters.
The Truth shall set You Free
Barack Hussein Obama = More of the same
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
Perhaps. But 90% of anyone's supporters don't seem very mentally stable. So meh....