I agree to a point, like we probably don't need the big gas guzzling SUV, but some of because of affordable housing have to drive 30 minutes to work.
But why should people expect to have it all for cheap? Life is all about choices and sacrifices. Either you make sacrifices in the form of housing (higher costs, less space) or you make sacrifices in the fact that you pay more for gas. I am not sure why people thing they some how deserve to have both.
But why should people expect to have it all for cheap? Life is all about choices and sacrifices. Either you make sacrifices in the form of housing (higher costs, less space) or you make sacrifices in the fact that you pay more for gas. I am not sure why people thing they some how deserve to have both.
There are many valid problems for the consumer to complain about.
1. The high prices are based off out of the out of control futures market.
2. There is plenty of oil off-shore and in Alaska, but Democrats block it. The environment would be just fine in Alaska.
3. The government supports a bullshit ethanol initiative, and just raises costs of food products instead.
4. No new refineries have been built in decades in the US.
5. We haven't nuked China to stop their energy consumption needs.
Okay, maybe one isn't valid.
Europe can handle it. The US doesn't have the infrastructure for high gas prices.
An energy analyst on CNBC today said "the people who know about energy right now are talking about gas in the TWELVE to FIFTEEN dollar range [per gallon] in the short term."
I shit you not.
Nearly a direct quote.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
BTW. Futures speculation is not NEARLY as big a part of the problem as is monetary inflation in the US, global demand, and artificial scarcity by the fuel producers.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
But why should people expect to have it all for cheap? Life is all about choices and sacrifices. Either you make sacrifices in the form of housing (higher costs, less space) or you make sacrifices in the fact that you pay more for gas. I am not sure why people thing they some how deserve to have both.
I don't expect to have both, but these prices are crazy, and the oil companies are making record profits.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Doesnt it make you want to bitch slap the CEO of Exxon everytime you fill up? I mean for fucks sake!
What the fuck is up with people?!! i mean for fucks sake 20 extra dollars? seriously. I'm sorry if you made bad choices in your life and therefore cant afford gas. Im sorry if you chose not to educate yourself and get a high paying job. i wish people would blame themselves before passing the blame onto someone else!!!!!!! Going through life expecting gas to be a certain price is laughable.
What the fuck is up with people?!! i mean for fucks sake 20 extra dollars? seriously. I'm sorry if you made bad choices in your life and therefore cant afford gas. Im sorry if you chose not to educate yourself and get a high paying job. i wish people would blame themselves before passing the blame onto someone else!!!!!!! Going through life expecting gas to be a certain price is laughable.
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I've heard $6+ by July because of hurricane season. If the US gets hit with one or two good hurricanes we will most likely fall into a HUGE recession/depression. Plus spending billions a week on a war we can't win doesn't help either. It's sad that we are sending American soldiers over there just for corrupt government and companies to fuck us in the ass with high gas prices.
Also NOCODE, sure you might have a great job and can afford going places but me, I can't. I am in a community college and have been killed by grocery prices this past semester. I would spend $80 a week just on essentials (milk, eggs, lunch meat, cereal, bread and other small processed shitty small meals). Thats on top of the $4000 a semester college charge and $3000 a semester dorm charge. So even though you say "it's not the oil companies fault your so dumb and couldn't go through college..." just think of how much your kids are going to have to pay for college. Once the get out I bet they will spend A LOT of time of their life paying off their college loans and what not.
There will be no middle class in the future, just really poor or really rich, and the saddest part is I'm beginning to believe that is what the government and corrupt companies want. I saw on CNN the other day congress "asking the tough questions against oil companies" and the reporter got on and actually said "can you believe it's more of love fest in the room, no tough questions asked...". Yea I wonder why....<_<
But why should people expect to have it all for cheap? Life is all about choices and sacrifices. Either you make sacrifices in the form of housing (higher costs, less space) or you make sacrifices in the fact that you pay more for gas. I am not sure why people thing they some how deserve to have both.
It's not that people should expect it for cheap. It's that the price inflation is a completely fabricated ploy by certain speculators who know how to work things.
2. There is plenty of oil off-shore and in Alaska, but Democrats block it. The environment would be just fine in Alaska.
4. No new refineries have been built in decades in the US.
I have a family member - very Republican, listens to Rush every day - who says it's the environmentalists' fault that no refineries have been built. How valid is that?
Also, would drilling in Alaska and off-shore really solve the problem? I mean, some of this current gas price increase is based on the weakness of the dollar, correct?
Just curious.
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If you want some of that cash, why not just buy some shares of Exxon Mobile? To a degree I can't really fault the oil companies for making a bunch of money. I mean they never told people to live an hour away from from their job so that they can have the 5 bedroom house. They are not the ones who told millions of people to buy giant gas guzzlers that they don't really need. Maybe people should take a bit more responsibility for the amount of money they are spending on fuel.
I agree with you to a point ... but, I think a large portion of the problem is that gas prices went up so far, so quickly.
When you decide to buy a house, you factor in all sorts of things to your budget ... one of which, is how much you are going to spend on gas to get to and from work. So you figure gas costing X amount, and then two years later, it's double that. Everybody knows gas prices rise steadily, but I don't think many consumers could have predicted such an exponential jump in such a short time period.
So it's not as easy as saying, "You should have planned better." It's like going to a restaurant, ordering a $10 steak, and then when the bill comes, they say, "Actually, the price hs gone up to $50 while you were cooking it." Don't have the money? Well, you should have planned better.
Likewise, the answer to the gas crisis isn't "sell your house and move closer to work." It's a great plan ... except guess what? The housing market is in the crapper, too. Most people who own homes are stuck in them, unless they are, ahem, lucky enough to be foreclosed upon.
So, while I'll agree that we all could take a little bit more responsibility when it comes to conserving gas, some of us have little to no choice.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Europe can handle it. The US doesn't have the infrastructure for high gas prices.
All major cities need to invest in some sort of mass transit system. I'd imagine most of the folks in New York City could give two shits about high gas prices, because they can take the subway everywhere.
If I had the option, I'd ride a train to work every day. I don't have that option, because my city has no mass transit system.
If more cities did, it would lessen the demand for gas, and bring prices down.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
What the fuck is up with people?!! i mean for fucks sake 20 extra dollars? seriously. I'm sorry if you made bad choices in your life and therefore cant afford gas. Im sorry if you chose not to educate yourself and get a high paying job. i wish people would blame themselves before passing the blame onto someone else!!!!!!! Going through life expecting gas to be a certain price is laughable.
when did everyone become a snob?
seriouisly? people get upset at fuel prices, which are ridiculously high, and people say its stupid to bitch about it and that we should just accept it.
Fuck that. I am not accepting it. I will be writing my senator, representative, city council, and just about anyone else I can think of. its absurd.
"sorry if you chose not to educate yourself"??????
going through life an ignorant prick is laughable and will not make you friends.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Just paid $75 to fill my tank from empty on mid grade. (56 liters)
thats fucking crazy...
you guys driving suv's are mad out of your heads... If I had an SUV I'd be selling it tomorrow.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Also, would drilling in Alaska and off-shore really solve the problem? I mean, some of this current gas price increase is based on the weakness of the dollar, correct?
Just curious.
The problem with drilling in Alaska is that we don't have enough refineries to process the oil that we drill since none have been built in decades here as mentioned earlier. Therefore we have to send the oil somewhere else to be processed and then have to pay to have it shipped back. That all costs money and keeps the price of gas right where it is. We're fucked either way.
I think there will come a time where you will see a government mandate for the oil companies to release that patents on extremely fuel efficient and alternative energy vehicles that they offerd the inventors millions of dollars to gobble up.
I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
You do realize that those little stations probably buy their gas from Exxon/Mobil or one of the other big gas companies. There was a story here a couple of years ago about how one of the east coast provinces put a cap on gas prices and the only ones it hurt were the little small time gas stations, because they had to buy their gas from the major companies and couldn't sell it for high enough to make a profit. The major company stations had no problem since they could supply gas to themselves for cheaper than they would to the independent stations.
And I don't see why people in the US complain so much about gas prices. You do realize that you pay some of the lowest gas prices in the industrialized world. A lot of places in Canada have prices that are approaching $5 a gallon.
yeah but it's caNADA.... where the fuck you gonna go?
yeah but it's caNADA.... where the fuck you gonna go?
ever been?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I met this guy who was a vietnam vet and currently an uncle of a guy who is in the war now.....
and I asked him what he thought about the war........being a man I highly respect who went where I would never ---both of them I guess.....
and he said he asked his nephew who was home and his nephew said that yeah, but this is about gas prices.......
so we turned the talk into gas prices and the supply and demand thing and he said that if we were to end the war like many people would like to see (and about 3/4 or better of any board I have seen here it seems), then we should take our soldiers, "beef up the borders" and use our own gas that we have in Texas and Alaska that he said would sustain us for like 20-25 years he said, (I know nothing of statistics so those who sound like they do are automatically right inb my book).
Do you think that gas would go down?
We're all complaining, but we're still buying. So, even if we drill, the gas companies can still get $3.80 gal. They have no incentive to lower their prices.
I will hold the candle until it burns up my arm. I'll keep taking punches until their will grows tired. I will stare the sun down until my eyes go blind. I won't change direction and I won't change my mind.
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In Palm Beach, Florida in January I happliy pulled up in a local station with their gas selling for $2.02 regular.
Only to realize the station was closed and closed for some time. i continued on down to Military Trail rd where it was $2.96.
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But why should people expect to have it all for cheap? Life is all about choices and sacrifices. Either you make sacrifices in the form of housing (higher costs, less space) or you make sacrifices in the fact that you pay more for gas. I am not sure why people thing they some how deserve to have both.
There are many valid problems for the consumer to complain about.
1. The high prices are based off out of the out of control futures market.
2. There is plenty of oil off-shore and in Alaska, but Democrats block it. The environment would be just fine in Alaska.
3. The government supports a bullshit ethanol initiative, and just raises costs of food products instead.
4. No new refineries have been built in decades in the US.
5. We haven't nuked China to stop their energy consumption needs.
Okay, maybe one isn't valid.
Europe can handle it. The US doesn't have the infrastructure for high gas prices.
I shit you not.
Nearly a direct quote.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
BTW. Futures speculation is not NEARLY as big a part of the problem as is monetary inflation in the US, global demand, and artificial scarcity by the fuel producers.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
the road is long...with a many winding turn...that leads us to who..knows where...who knows where...~
-the hollies
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
Also NOCODE, sure you might have a great job and can afford going places but me, I can't. I am in a community college and have been killed by grocery prices this past semester. I would spend $80 a week just on essentials (milk, eggs, lunch meat, cereal, bread and other small processed shitty small meals). Thats on top of the $4000 a semester college charge and $3000 a semester dorm charge. So even though you say "it's not the oil companies fault your so dumb and couldn't go through college..." just think of how much your kids are going to have to pay for college. Once the get out I bet they will spend A LOT of time of their life paying off their college loans and what not.
There will be no middle class in the future, just really poor or really rich, and the saddest part is I'm beginning to believe that is what the government and corrupt companies want. I saw on CNN the other day congress "asking the tough questions against oil companies" and the reporter got on and actually said "can you believe it's more of love fest in the room, no tough questions asked...". Yea I wonder why....<_<
It's not that people should expect it for cheap. It's that the price inflation is a completely fabricated ploy by certain speculators who know how to work things.
http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/651928.html
Part 2:
http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/659081.html
I have a family member - very Republican, listens to Rush every day - who says it's the environmentalists' fault that no refineries have been built. How valid is that?
Also, would drilling in Alaska and off-shore really solve the problem? I mean, some of this current gas price increase is based on the weakness of the dollar, correct?
Just curious.
"I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions." - George Carlin
I agree with you to a point ... but, I think a large portion of the problem is that gas prices went up so far, so quickly.
When you decide to buy a house, you factor in all sorts of things to your budget ... one of which, is how much you are going to spend on gas to get to and from work. So you figure gas costing X amount, and then two years later, it's double that. Everybody knows gas prices rise steadily, but I don't think many consumers could have predicted such an exponential jump in such a short time period.
So it's not as easy as saying, "You should have planned better." It's like going to a restaurant, ordering a $10 steak, and then when the bill comes, they say, "Actually, the price hs gone up to $50 while you were cooking it." Don't have the money? Well, you should have planned better.
Likewise, the answer to the gas crisis isn't "sell your house and move closer to work." It's a great plan ... except guess what? The housing market is in the crapper, too. Most people who own homes are stuck in them, unless they are, ahem, lucky enough to be foreclosed upon.
So, while I'll agree that we all could take a little bit more responsibility when it comes to conserving gas, some of us have little to no choice.
for the least they could possibly do
All major cities need to invest in some sort of mass transit system. I'd imagine most of the folks in New York City could give two shits about high gas prices, because they can take the subway everywhere.
If I had the option, I'd ride a train to work every day. I don't have that option, because my city has no mass transit system.
If more cities did, it would lessen the demand for gas, and bring prices down.
for the least they could possibly do
seriouisly? people get upset at fuel prices, which are ridiculously high, and people say its stupid to bitch about it and that we should just accept it.
Fuck that. I am not accepting it. I will be writing my senator, representative, city council, and just about anyone else I can think of. its absurd.
"sorry if you chose not to educate yourself"??????
going through life an ignorant prick is laughable and will not make you friends.
thats fucking crazy...
you guys driving suv's are mad out of your heads... If I had an SUV I'd be selling it tomorrow.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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a think tank of aloof multiplication...~
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The problem with drilling in Alaska is that we don't have enough refineries to process the oil that we drill since none have been built in decades here as mentioned earlier. Therefore we have to send the oil somewhere else to be processed and then have to pay to have it shipped back. That all costs money and keeps the price of gas right where it is. We're fucked either way.
I think there will come a time where you will see a government mandate for the oil companies to release that patents on extremely fuel efficient and alternative energy vehicles that they offerd the inventors millions of dollars to gobble up.
yeah but it's caNADA.... where the fuck you gonna go?
ever been?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
We're all complaining, but we're still buying. So, even if we drill, the gas companies can still get $3.80 gal. They have no incentive to lower their prices.
Only to realize the station was closed and closed for some time. i continued on down to Military Trail rd where it was $2.96.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)