Someine needs to remind Ron Paul and his supporters

my2hands

that this country was made economically "great" and a massive middle class was developed through DOMESTIC SPENDING, INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND REGULATION...AND THAT IS THE EXACT REASON EUROPE IS CURRENTLY LEAVING US IN THE DUST AND HAS BECOME THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER.


these people want to go back to pre new deal days? not to mention the whole states rights madness he advocates...

Nevermind

I thought China was the new global economic superpower.

my2hands

Nevermind wrote:

I thought China was the new global economic superpower.

not even close... turn off cnn and lou dobbs

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

not even close... turn off cnn and lou dobbs

Anything to base that on?

my2hands

Nevermind wrote:

Anything to base that on?

yup, GDP


it is a blowout... Europe Union is the # 1 in the world in GDP and has 5 times the GDP of China (with 1/4 of the population)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)


*** not to mention the "Euro" is currently the worlds strongest currency


americans will wake up soon to find themselves in an outdated economic/domestic model being blown out by the EU. it is already happening but Americans are too busy waving their flags to notice it

my2hands

like i said... turn off cnn and lou dobbs

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MIC has a price tag no?

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

like i said... turn off cnn and lou dobbs

27 countries would definately have the advantage over one country.

SilverSeed

my2hands wrote:

that this country was made economically "great" and a massive middle class was developed through DOMESTIC SPENDING, INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND REGULATION...AND THAT IS THE EXACT REASON EUROPE IS CURRENTLY LEAVING US IN THE DUST AND HAS BECOME THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER.


these people want to go back to pre new deal days? not to mention the whole states rights madness he advocates...

No no, illegal immigrants are the problem. Once we get them out the U.S. will be fine...

Ok kidding aside, you're absolutely right. And it wouldn't be hard. Step 1: Bring troops home. Step 2: Invest what would have gone to the war domestically. Step 3: Crack a beer.

I have to disagree on the states rights issue though. If anything we need to send more power the individual states (as the framers of our country imagined) and away from the Federal gov't. State government is closer to it's own people and can react more quickly to changing environments. Not to mention we'd have medical in CA...

Pacomc79

so you're in favor of globalizaton?

my2hands

Nevermind wrote:

27 countries would definately have the advantage over one country.

nice try... the EU has 500 million people... about 1/4 the current population of china which is near 2 billion... your looking at europe through a 20th century lense like most americans still do, they have moved onto becoming a solid union are now 21st century europe. much like the usa, with one currency, and one set of union laws much like our federal laws... so that argument is bogus

all they have done is become a union, mush like the states of america.

the europeans are light years ahead of us, and the world. realize it, and realize why

Abookamongstthemany

SilverSeed wrote:

I have to disagree on the states rights issue though. If anything we need to send more power the individual states (as the framers of our country imagined) and away from the Federal gov't. State government is closer to it's own people and can react more quickly to changing environments. Not to mention we'd have medical in CA...

Not to mention, how they can more easily be held accountable by their people.

my2hands

Pacomc79 wrote:

so you're in favor of globalizaton?

in many ways, yes. this is one planet correct? whats so wrong with global community and coordination?


what does globalization have to do with domestic spending, infrastructure, and regualtion?

and what does globalization have to do with the EU?

SilverSeed

my2hands wrote:

nice try... the EU has 500 million people... about 1/4 the current population of china which is near 2 billion... your looking at europe through a 20th century lense like most americans still do, they have moved onto becoming a solid union are now 21st century europe. much like the usa, with one currency, and one set of union laws much like our federal laws... so that argument is bogus

all they have done is become a union, mush like the states of america.

the europeans are light years ahead of us, and the world. realize it, and realize why

One needs to only look at the value of the euro since it's inception to grasp this. Europe is flying past us... What we need to learn from them is that enabling and empowering your closest neighbors to work with you toward a common economic goal is in all of our best interests.

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

nice try... the EU has 500 million people... about 1/4 the current population of china which is near 2 billion... your looking at europe through a 20th century lense like most americans still do, they have moved onto becoming a solid union are now 21st century europe. much like the usa, with one currency, and one set of union laws much like our federal laws... so that argument is bogus

all they have done is become a union, mush like the states of america.

the europeans are light years ahead of us, and the world. realize it, and realize why

Its still 27 nations. If we integrated with 26 other nations the American Union would be number one.

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Not to mention, how they can more easily be held accountable by their people.

i am interested to know what you think about my original post? seriously

RolandTD20Kdrummer

This almost borders on a pro SPP/NAU thread.

my2hands

Nevermind wrote:

Its still 27 nations. If we integrated with 26 other nations the American Union would be number one.

ok, it is obvious you are not ready for this discussion.


the EU was not #1 in GDP or the ecomonic superpower before they unionized. they became that way after coming together and domestically investing, developing infrastructure, and started to regulate collectively.


the EU is not that kuch different then the USA, a collection of states unified into 1 union.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This almost borders on a pro SPP/NAU thread.

it is a pro domestic spending, pro doemstic infrastructure, pro regualtion thread... thats all


so it is basicly an anti ron paul doemstic policy thread

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

i am interested to know what you think about my original post? seriously

I'm not interested in it

Pacomc79

my2hands wrote:

in many ways, yes. this is one planet correct? whats so wrong with global community and coordination?


what does globalization have to do with domestic spending, infrastructure, and regualtion?

and what does globalization have to do with the EU?

nothing is wrong with it. If everyone is cooperating it works pretty well... but how stepford is that? The oldest civilizations in the world still hate each others guts. Europe is doing quite well right now from a far and probably decently living there, I get to see Italy first hand soon and I intend to enjoy it to the fullest. They've also endured several thousand years of wars failures, famines, dieseases....etc. Athens had a wonderful democratic governmental system... that failed rather quickly.

I tend to wonder in a global economy who regulates the government and how? Who decides what is fair? How are resources distributed....? I mean hell, the US a very strong country for the past 50 years or so currently decides thier Executive office in about the same manner American Idol gives out record contracts. What do we really expect from the government?

I was just interested. The weakness of the dollar currently is tied in part to the fact that the money is based on an empty IOU from the FED. The only reason it's worth anything is because of a social construct.

Love the emphasis on infrastructure..... but our politicans simply don't care about that till election time.