A question for the 9/11 conspiracy movement

HANKTHELANK

i am a firm believer that 9/11 was a black op. But i'd be careful in believing that the pentagon was anything other then a plane. For the following reasons:

- It could have been to risky to try to get ride of the passengers. The public might have witnessed it.

- The government could be using the pentagon to eventually discredit the movement. What could happen is they don't release the videos of the plane hitting the pentagon so that all the's theories get thrown out there. Then when it seems like a real movement for truth is starting, they release clear video evidence and the movement hits a brick wall, and all the flip floppers go the other way.

Just a theory, but unless there is real evidence, i'd be carefull. These people behind this are smart.

DriftingByTheStorm

HANKTHELANK wrote:

i am a firm believer that 9/11 was a black op. But i'd be careful in believing that the pentagon was anything other then a plane. For the following reasons:

- It could have been to risky to try to get ride of the passengers. The public might have witnessed it.

- The government could be using the pentagon to eventually discredit the movement. What could happen is they don't release the videos of the plane hitting the pentagon so that all the's theories get thrown out there. Then when it seems like a real movement for truth is starting, they release clear video evidence and the movement hits a brick wall, and all the flip floppers go the other way.

Just a theory, but unless there is real evidence, i'd be carefull. These people behind this are smart.

i agree ...
and with all the other "evidence", it is NOT necessary to argue the finer physical points of 911 ... this administration had clear repeated warning, was actively confusing our defenses on 911 with training excercises of a damn similar nature, had called the FBI off the trail of the terrorists, almost definately (admittedly) knew they were in the country, refuses to investigate the funding of them (because it was they!), on the day before\of they were meeting with the pakistani intelligence head who according to news sources DID fund Mohammed Atta, had clear as day motivation to "let" this happen, allegedly (even by 911 commission members) met secretly with rumsfeld the day of 911, refused to go under oath about the events, lied to the media\people about it over and over again, lied before congress about it, had actually written about the strategic need for such an event, and actually benefited immensely from this event (both financialy, and geopolitcaly\geostratigicaly) and so forth and so on ...

the writing is all over the walls,
and you don't need bombs in buildings or missles hitting pentagons to show that ...

stu gee

I think it has been far easier for people to create all these conspiracy theories than it would be for the US government to actually get away with something like 9/11.

my2hands

if this was an inside job... then what happened to the civilian passengers?

1. most 9/11 conspiracy's conclude that no commercial plane hit the pentagon or crashed in PA.... so what happened to the people that were supposed to be on those planes?

and if remote controlled planed were used, how could they possible keep quiet the people that put this technology onto the planes?

i am not saying what i think one way or the other... but i do know that this question is the 1000 pound gorilla in the room that never gets asked

if it was a conspiracy, they are doing one hell of a job keeping people quiet... we are talking about one of the greatest man made disasters in recent history. it is hard to imagine things not leaking

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spiral out wrote:

I know where your coming from, but do you thing they were the passenger planes they were claimed to be.

Yes actually. I do.

my2hands

ANYONE???


where the hell is kabong/abook when i need a good answer to a tough question?

i am serious folks... i am familiar with the 9/11 truth movement and all that, but i never get an answer to this question??????

there have been 100's of threads on here about a 9/11 conspiracy... i was hoping i would be flooded with answers???

PaperPlates

my2hands wrote:

ANYONE???


where the hell is kabong/abook when i need a good answer to a tough question?

i am serious folks... i am familiar with the 9/11 truth movement and all that, but i never get an answer to this question??????

there have been 100's of threads on here about a 9/11 conspiracy... i was hoping i would be flooded with answers???

You're asking the wrong questions then. "They" only like to answer the easy questions. The ones that "make it obvious" it was an inside job.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

if this was an inside job... then what happened to the civilian passengers?

1. most 9/11 conspiracy's conclude that no commercial plane hit the pentagon or crashed in PA.... so what happened to the people that were supposed to be on those planes?

and if remote controlled planed were used, how could they possible keep quiet the people that put this technology onto the planes?

i am not saying what i think one way or the other... but i do know that this question is the 1000 pound gorilla in the room that never gets asked

if it was a conspiracy, they are doing one hell of a job keeping people quiet... we are talking about one of the greatest man made disasters in recent history. it is hard to imagine things not leaking

The thread dropped out..

People on the planes? Well the planes themselves are much stronger than flesh and bone...and the planes mostly vaporized/atomized on impact...

for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxrJR26IdY

so...well... They ultimately used DNA forensics like a crime scene to recover any organic debris, and ultimately identify what they could. Whatever little microscopic pieces were left (if anything) after all the fires burning everything into carbon would, I imagine, be sent back to the families for burial.

sonicreducer

all we need is clear video evidence to shut people up,... there has got to be a security camera that got something better than the frames we have been given,...

CJMST3K

...doubt they'll answer. or if they do, it'll be some elaborate plan that somehow the gov't and participating/witnessing citizens have been able and willing to keep 100% secret.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

CJMST3K wrote:

...doubt they'll answer. or if they do, it'll be some elaborate plan that somehow the gov't and participating/witnessing citizens have been able and willing to keep 100% secret.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4721630&postcount=29

CJMST3K

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4721630&postcount=29

thank you! good link to youtube footage.



I'm just glad some people on this board, including you, are using sound logic.

Ahnimus

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Pretty amazing how the planes vaporized but they found perfect condition terrorist and passenger passports in the various planes.

Passports are bomb and fireproof apparently, and much more than aluminum (which vaporized on impact).

They should probably start making troop uniforms out of this magic paper.

The documentary I watched on anti-semitism had some stuff about 9/11. Apparently the bones found atop a building near-by belonged to a Jewish man. The coroner was interviewed in the documentary and he mentioned a burnt piece of clothing with charred flesh, and attached was a pager that was still in working condition. Strange indeed.

Ahnimus

Also, with the reports of their being huge weapon caches in the towers, to account for the spike in tritium in the air; I'm surprised there weren't a bunch of automatic weapons laying around ground zero.

9/11 was an enigma, wrapped in a riddle on a sesame seed bun of mystery. To steal a line from Colbert.

Never would I have thought that automatic weapons, steel frames and all the other objects of dense material would vaporize, yet a terrorist passport and a pager make it out intact.

The whole thing is a mystery, but I don't think 98% of the conspiracy theories are true.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

Also, with the reports of their being huge weapon caches in the towers, to account for the spike in tritium in the air; I'm surprised there weren't a bunch of automatic weapons laying around ground zero.

9/11 was an enigma, wrapped in a riddle on a sesame seed bun of mystery. To steal a line from Colbert.

Never would I have thought that automatic weapons, steel frames and all the other objects of dense material would vaporize, yet a terrorist passport and a pager make it out intact.

The whole thing is a mystery, but I don't think 98% of the conspiracy theories are true.

Hashing out the semantics aren't as important as looking at the big picture reality.

Some people choose to focus on the details of one thing and make up their minds there. In this situation you need a very broad understanding of world matters to see what's happening.

The minor details become useless if the plan suddenly changes mid-stream to virtually make them true. Even though that's not the case here...but you know. People argue to their deaths. I let new facts speak for themselves and line it all up to figure out what really happened, and to tell me what is happening.

People are going to have to look around and figure it out for themselves. They will either know in advance or just follow history along in the mainstream news as they're told about it after the fact.

9/11 was predicted. The London 7/7 attack was predicted. Scooter Libby's indictment was predicted. There's more... People are beginning to become privy to the schedule.

Terrorism is not the issue, it's a means to get the job done.

I agree on getting the job done, just not at the cost of being a slave to oppression with zero democracy and personal rights in a war mongering new NAU order.

When they say "us or them" It's not us against terrorists. It's north America against China and Russia...or Eurasia. West v.s. East for control of world superpowers.

Iran is going to be the pivot point or springboard towards the end game i.e. nuclear war. Many will die...it could be the end for many actually. Finally the zero hour. Wer'e at 5 mins to midnight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock remember this? It advanced another 2 minutes in Jan 2007. It's more like 3 minutes to midnight really.

Endless wars right now is not a good idea. It's incredibly stupid actually

Remember that talk about the nuclear shield in around Europe? http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/15/news/shield.php This is to protect the West from the East. Putin staking new oil claims that is putting Canada (now) and the US in potential conflict against Russia?

The NAU to join all of North America into a singular fighting force. read up about it. I'm not making this up. Raising the draft age to 42. Talks of reinstating the draft. Imagine a North America wide draft?

These all aren't mere coincidences just coming out of thin air.

Ahnimus

I know what you are saying Ronald.

Let me ask you something; In the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses" the plan, in-order, includes Afghanistan, toppling Saddam, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, etc...

Clearly this order "Afganistan, Saddam, Hezbollah" was followed quite strictly, however, Hezbollah was not toppled and continues strong today while the U.S. ramps up to Iran. Do you think this is a sign of failure or part of the plan, and do you think Syria will be next?

Ahnimus

To verbalize some thoughts on the matter - because I did a lot of reading on secret elite societies, illuminati and in-depth reading of all the conspiracy theories. I'm not gonna support any one theory, but I find it much more likely that a small group of men/women in different positions of influence have the same goals fueled by capitalist greed, than I find anything like Illuminati or Zionists probable.

Assuming that some global conspiracy is occuring, and not just a few people with wishful thinking, shouldn't we blame our system? If generation upon generation brings us those who are greedy enough to exploit our economies and governments. Then clearly it's a product of human nature, and it's the economies and governments that need to be revamped, since we cannot change human nature.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

I know what you are saying Ronald.

Let me ask you something; In the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses" the plan, in-order, includes Afghanistan, toppling Saddam, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, etc...

Clearly this order "Afganistan, Saddam, Hezbollah" was followed quite strictly, however, Hezbollah was not toppled and continues strong today while the U.S. ramps up to Iran. Do you think this is a sign of failure or part of the plan, and do you think Syria will be next?

There are mossad agents playing both sides in Lebanon West bank gaza etc keeping the war fresh and alive....giving it cause. First they pick a target. Kill (snipe, blow up...etc) the guys family to make him hopeless and demented then recruit him in the name of "terrorism" against the US, or Israel, to commit terrorist acts. So someone can retaliate, and put it in the news.

Hey...they do mini false flag secret ops like this all the time. It's pretty easy to play the other side and pull stuff off when you're wearing a ski mask. There's proof of this going on. As long as the war on terrorism is fresh...the engine is running.

The entire middle east is next. There's all kinds of targets according to PNAC...hundreds of places apparently. The statement your enemy's enemy is your friend really holds true.

It's pretty insane to think about, but it's happening. Politics is best spoken from the barrel of a gun. Bush said it himself...he's a war president.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

To verbalize some thoughts on the matter - because I did a lot of reading on secret elite societies, illuminati and in-depth reading of all the conspiracy theories. I'm not gonna support any one theory, but I find it much more likely that a small group of men/women in different positions of influence have the same goals fueled by capitalist greed, than I find anything like Illuminati or Zionists probable.

Assuming that some global conspiracy is occuring, and not just a few people with wishful thinking, shouldn't we blame our system? If generation upon generation brings us those who are greedy enough to exploit our economies and governments. Then clearly it's a product of human nature, and it's the economies and governments that need to be revamped, since we cannot change human nature.

It's not really conspiracy that drives the movement. It's more harsh reality. Live fast...die young. The west is the James dean of the world. There's a consequence and geographical limitations to overcome. Especially in America. Oil being a huge one. They need to maintain...and the maintenance costs are high. For some reason the mentality is still to take it by force.

There is going to be dire consequences either way. The west isn't sitting on the oil yet we live like we do, and could care less how we get it to the pumps.

With the NAU cheap Mexican labor replaces China's cheap labor.

But it's about more than that. When they say Prosperity Partnership they mean at all costs.

It should be SPPP Security PEACE and Prosperity Partnership...they left out a P.

my2hands

i thought i was being clear?

if a passenger plane did not hit the pentagon, what happened to the passengers that were szupposed to be on that plane, and what happened to the plane that actually took off from DC?