Th truth about marijuana

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

how so? Is it or is it not factual? Would you allow a person who has a known drug habit to perform surgery on you? Would you allow such a person to handle your finances? What about a nanny for your kids?

Jah mon. I've got no truck with the ganja people.

South of Seattle

MahoganySouls wrote:

how so? Is it or is it not factual? Would you allow a person who has a known drug habit to perform surgery on you? Would you allow such a person to handle your finances? What about a nanny for your kids?

Would you allow a person who is known to have a couple of drinks at home after work to perform surgery on you? Would you allow such a person to handle your finances? What about a nanny for your kids?

lulustar

Actually when I was in high school, I did a simple test:

I had a biology exam that was divided in two sections on two separate days.

The first day and so the first part of the exam, I went ahead totally sober, and the final grade for that part of the exam was 8 out of 10 (80 out of 100).

The second day I smoked a joint by myself before doing the second part of the exam, and the final grade for that part of the exam was 9 out of 10 (90 out of 100).

So, that article is plain bullshit.. it just goes to show that you can't generalize anything, everything is subjective. Of course, there will be kids who will do all those silly things, but maybe they would do so anyway even if they didn't consume marijuana.

But people are "asleep" most of the time and just read the statistics and don't think about where they come from, and why......

MahoganySouls

South of Seattle wrote:

Would you allow a person who is known to have a couple of drinks at home after work to perform surgery on you? Would you allow such a person to handle your finances? What about a nanny for your kids?

Absolutely not if this person daily indulged in alcohol. But, that is a moot point since alcohol and marijuana are not comparable.

MahoganySouls

gue_barium wrote:

You missed everything in my other post, obviously. You're a Right and Wronger. You would wrong somebody for the sadistic pleasure of being "right."

I think you may have some re-thinking to do about your thinking.

I'm getting the idea that the role you play at your place of employment has cast you into a "bad cop" formula, yet you haven't seen it for that so take your "act" as the living doctrine.

Just a guess.

It has nothing to do with being bad cop. It has to do with actually seeing the flip side to the argument that you guys do not. Yes mj is considered a "soft drug" by comparison. That does not however equate harmless. It's use creates situations that kids, are not equipt to handle and process. It leads to other activities that they had no intention on getting into but do.

There was a Harvard study not too long ago, I believe in 2001, that I will dig up for you. In this study the doctor concluded that while mj did not alter brain health per say, it did lead users into a specific direction in life. Users tended to be unsatisfied in life to begin with. Have problems at home or with peers. Difficulty holding jobs. And the majority had moved up to harder substances after a determinate amount of time. Only a very small percent of those subjects simply stuck with mj. Among those who never used mj, none used harder substances.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

It has nothing to do with being bad cop. It has to do with actually seeing the flip side to the argument that you guys do not. Yes mj is considered a "soft drug" by comparison. That does not however equate harmless. It's use creates situations that kids, are not equipt to handle and process. It leads to other activities that they had no intention on getting into but do.

There was a Harvard study not too long ago, I believe in 2001, that I will dig up for you. In this study the doctor concluded that while mj did not alter brain health per say, it did lead users into a specific direction in life. Users tended to be unsatisfied in life to begin with. Have problems at home or with peers. Difficulty holding jobs. And the majority had moved up to harder substances after a determinate amount of time. Only a very small percent of those subjects simply stuck with mj. Among those who never used mj, none used harder substances.

Goddamn. 50-60 years later and they're still using the gateway drug argument against marijuana. Ridiculous.

fuck

MahoganySouls wrote:

There was a Harvard study not too long ago, I believe in 2001, that I will dig up for you. In this study the doctor concluded that while mj did not alter brain health per say, it did lead users into a specific direction in life. Users tended to be unsatisfied in life to begin with. Have problems at home or with peers. Difficulty holding jobs. And the majority had moved up to harder substances after a determinate amount of time. Only a very small percent of those subjects simply stuck with mj. Among those who never used mj, none used harder substances.

that's just bullshit. do you know how many people do mj? you're telling me only a small percentage of those stick with only mj? i think that's bullshit.

also, you're saying no one who uses harder substances hasn't used mj before?

trappedinmyradio

even flow? wrote:

Same could be said about ciggie smokers and drinkers. Oh but those are legal.

marijuana legalization is the least of the things that need to be addressed...this is a non-issue

South of Seattle

MahoganySouls wrote:

Absolutely not if this person daily indulged in alcohol.

I said a couple of drinks.

MahoganySouls wrote:

But, that is a moot point since alcohol and marijuana are not comparable.

How so? Just because one is legal and kills and injures hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. And the other is illegal and doesn't?

There's an interesting web page linked below. Some might find it interesting.

http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm

jlew24asu

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

that's just bullshit. do you know how many people do mj? you're telling me only a small percentage of those stick with only mj? i think that's bullshit.

so I guess this really just is your debating style. whatever you dont agree with someone, its simply bullshit. reminds me that scene from my cousin vinny

keeponrockin

MahoganySouls wrote:

It has nothing to do with being bad cop. It has to do with actually seeing the flip side to the argument that you guys do not. Yes mj is considered a "soft drug" by comparison. That does not however equate harmless. It's use creates situations that kids, are not equipt to handle and process. It leads to other activities that they had no intention on getting into but do.

There was a Harvard study not too long ago, I believe in 2001, that I will dig up for you. In this study the doctor concluded that while mj did not alter brain health per say, it did lead users into a specific direction in life. Users tended to be unsatisfied in life to begin with. Have problems at home or with peers. Difficulty holding jobs. And the majority had moved up to harder substances after a determinate amount of time. Only a very small percent of those subjects simply stuck with mj. Among those who never used mj, none used harder substances.

Interesting.

I do think that Alcohol is the first gateway drug though.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

It has nothing to do with being bad cop. It has to do with actually seeing the flip side to the argument that you guys do not. Yes mj is considered a "soft drug" by comparison. That does not however equate harmless. It's use creates situations that kids, are not equipt to handle and process. It leads to other activities that they had no intention on getting into but do.

There was a Harvard study not too long ago, I believe in 2001, that I will dig up for you. In this study the doctor concluded that while mj did not alter brain health per say, it did lead users into a specific direction in life. Users tended to be unsatisfied in life to begin with. Have problems at home or with peers. Difficulty holding jobs. And the majority had moved up to harder substances after a determinate amount of time. Only a very small percent of those subjects simply stuck with mj. Among those who never used mj, none used harder substances.

All life is a Harvard study.

I'll tell you what the deal is, and that is that you're not on a good track to solving any particular problem, and in fact, you are creating and contributing to the ongoing problem of human "law" being the basis for human behavior. You're so far off base with this presumption that your being is the definition of its error.

Bu2

Studies tell us that people who smoke pot are more likely to adopt terrible behaviors beyond pot-smoking, later in life. What do studies tell us about priests who wind up molesting little children? What do studies tell us about gamblers and drunks who neglect and/or abuse their children, or sit back and let their wives do so instead?

What do studies tell us about god-fearing women who have 5 kids and turn around and kill them, claiming that the Lord told them it was the right thing to do?

The truth about marijuana.....what's wrong with mentioning the truth about religion? The truth about main stream media? The truth about life?

What's wrong with letting the pot smokers live their life in peace while the rest of the good-do'ers kill everyone because God told them to?

Just wondering.

South of Seattle

Bu2 wrote:

Studies tell us that people who smoke pot are more likely to adopt terrible behaviors beyond pot-smoking, later in life. What do studies tell us about priests who wind up molesting little children? What do studies tell us about gamblers and drunks who neglect and/or abuse their children, or sit back and let their wives do so instead?

What do studies tell us about god-fearing women who have 5 kids and turn around and kill them, claiming that the Lord told them it was the right thing to do?

The truth about marijuana.....what's wrong with mentioning the truth about religion? The truth about main stream media? The truth about life?

What's wrong with letting the pot smokers live their life in peace while the rest of the good-do'ers kill everyone because God told them to?

Just wondering.

I'm wondering also.

Makes sense to me.

catefrances

MahoganySouls wrote:

LOL I luv it when teenagers and young people try to educate us older ones.

Let me ask you this dear, do you honestly think that you know something about marijuana that your parents havent already experienced?

Could it be that adults say to stay away from drugs because they have actually seen the results?

Hmmm...I've yet to see a child have more life experience than their parents. I think it would be a monumental moment in the course of history!

well i'm not a teenager or a young person so let me educate you on my thinking.

i have zero problem with marijuana. in fact i have been known to indulge. but that is my business and no one else's. quite frankly i dont give a toss what the laws are on this particular subject because they are wrong. while we have governments who continue to support an industry that produces a known killer i refuse to heed their call on something they make illegal simply because they can't regulate it.

gue_barium

catefrances wrote:

well i'm not a teenager or a young person so let me educate you on my thinking.

i have zero problem with marijuana. in fact i have been known to indulge. but that is my business and no one else's. quite frankly i dont give a toss what the laws are on this particular subject because they are wrong. while we have governments who continue to support an industry that produces a known killer i refuse to heed their call on something they make illegal simply because they can't regulate it.

What are you saying? I'm so fucking stoned right now. It seems like you're saying that stoned peple are turning into balck people and they're trying to take over the world, once they get everybody "hooked" on marijuana.

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

What are you saying? I'm so fucking stoned right now. It seems like you're saying that stoned peple are turning into balck people and they're trying to take over the world, once they get everybody "hooked" on marijuana.

yes. yes gue that's exactly what im saying. pfft. :rolleyes:

gue_barium

Black!!!

prism

dammit, where'd I leave my bong?

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

I'll tell you what the deal is, and that is that you're not on a good track to solving any particular problem, and in fact, you are creating and contributing to the ongoing problem of human "law" being the basis for human behavior. You're so far off base with this presumption that your being is the definition of its error.

Brilliant!