Th truth about marijuana

TheVoiceInsideTheVoiceInside Posts: 361
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp

I found this as a great example of the disinformation that the goverment uses against marijuana. It really bothers me because I think that it is really important that our parents understand what marijuana use is all about. but this fucking article really twist the information around so that the reader thinks that the cause for teenage agnst and mischieve(sp?) is caused by marijuana.


" Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends"
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    [quote="TheVoiceInside

    " Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends"[/quote"]


    Same could be said about ciggie smokers and drinkers. Oh but those are legal.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp

    I found this as a great example of the disinformation that the goverment uses against marijuana. It really bothers me because I think that it is really important that our parents understand what marijuana use is all about. but this fucking article really twist the information around so that the reader thinks that the cause for teenage agnst and mischieve(sp?) is caused by marijuana.


    " Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends"

    there is nothing causative about that statement. It is a descriptive statement and if they have the research to support it, it's a true statement (with the information available, in the studies that were performed.) Teen angst and mischievousness are nothing new and won't go away and marijuana isn't to blame, it's part of it.
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  • Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends



    see what really bugs me about this paragraph is that I think in most cases its the poor relationship with parents that causes kids to be rebelious and thus get into trouble.
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends



    see what really bugs me about this paragraph is that I think in most cases its the poor relationship with parents that causes kids to be rebelious and thus get into trouble.

    really, i think peer pressure is a bigger influence than relationship with parents. i also think that self-confidence or view of one's self makes people more rebellious and thus getting into more trouble.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sweet my first chance at a song break..

    Let us burn one, from end to end.
    And pass is over to me my friend.
    Burn it long, but burn it slow,
    to light me up before I go.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around.
    Cause I'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes I'm gonna burn one down

    My choice is what i chose to do;
    and if I'm causin no harm,
    it shouldn't bother you.
    Your choice is who you chose to be;
    and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I'm gona burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one, down.

    Herb the gift, from the Earth,
    and what's from the earth is of the greatest worth.
    So before u knock it, try it first.
    and you'll see it's a blessing and it's not a curse.
    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around,
    cause i'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one.

    oh yeah
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sweet my first chance at a song break..

    Let us burn one, from end to end.
    And pass is over to me my friend.
    Burn it long, but burn it slow,
    to light me up before I go.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around.
    Cause I'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes I'm gonna burn one down

    My choice is what i chose to do;
    and if I'm causin no harm,
    it shouldn't bother you.
    Your choice is who you chose to be;
    and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I'm gona burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one, down.

    Herb the gift, from the Earth,
    and what's from the earth is of the greatest worth.
    So before u knock it, try it first.
    and you'll see it's a blessing and it's not a curse.
    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around,
    cause i'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one.

    oh yeah


    YO!

    i knew you were one cool mofo, despite all the right wing propaganda

    nice call on the ben dude!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    YO!

    i knew you were one cool mofo, despite all the right wing propaganda

    nice call on the ben dude!

    hey now. careful on the right wing stuff. I call it like I see it. some might see it as righty but I am loyal to no party.

    now puff puff pass.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    "lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends"

    All of which could be the cause of marijuana smoking in college students, rather than the effects of doing it.

    Mommy didn't love me and daddy beat me for liking ballet. <- That could be a cause too.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hey now. careful on the right wing stuff. I call it like I see it. some might see it as righty but I am loyal to no party.

    now puff puff pass.
    you're screwing up the rotation.
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  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    Does anyone think its funny that the person that started this topic "forgot" the "e" in "The"? Stoner. :p
  • Does anyone think its funny that the person that started this topic "forgot" the "e" in "The"? Stoner. :p

    i do.
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sweet my first chance at a song break..

    Let us burn one, from end to end.
    And pass is over to me my friend.
    Burn it long, but burn it slow,
    to light me up before I go.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around.
    Cause I'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes I'm gonna burn one down

    My choice is what i chose to do;
    and if I'm causin no harm,
    it shouldn't bother you.
    Your choice is who you chose to be;
    and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me.

    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I'm gona burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one, down.

    Herb the gift, from the Earth,
    and what's from the earth is of the greatest worth.
    So before u knock it, try it first.
    and you'll see it's a blessing and it's not a curse.
    If you dont like my fire, then dont come around,
    cause i'm gonna burn one down.
    Yes i'm gonna burn one.

    oh yeah

    niiiicee :) so i'm going to add another little song ;)

    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me.
    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me.

    Roll another one
    Just like the other one.
    This one's burnt to the end
    Come on and be a friend.

    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me.
    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me.

    Ro-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oll another one
    Just like the other one.
    You've been hanging on to it
    And I sure would like a hit.

    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me.
    Don't bogart that joint, my friend
    Pass it over to me
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Does anyone think its funny that the person that started this topic "forgot" the "e" in "The"? Stoner. :p

    i'm sure he/she was so angry that they wanted to make this thread quickly, to share their annoyance with us. So, it was just a typo ;) oh, but now thinking about it..... in his/her article it said that stoners are more prone to anger :p;):)
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Am I in a time warp? Are there really parents out there who need to be educated about marijuana?

    Really?
  • AusticmanAusticman Posts: 1,327
    Marajoowana is bad MMMkay!!! If you do marajoowana then your bad...........MMMMMKayy!!
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  • LOL I luv it when teenagers and young people try to educate us older ones.

    Let me ask you this dear, do you honestly think that you know something about marijuana that your parents havent already experienced?

    Could it be that adults say to stay away from drugs because they have actually seen the results?

    Hmmm...I've yet to see a child have more life experience than their parents. I think it would be a monumental moment in the course of history!
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    LOL I luv it when teenagers and young people try to educate us older ones.

    Let me ask you this dear, do you honestly think that you know something about marijuana that your parents havent already experienced?

    Could it be that adults say to stay away from drugs because they have actually seen the results?

    Hmmm...I've yet to see a child have more life experience than their parents. I think it would be a monumental moment in the course of history!


    Marijuana is kind of innocuous, say, compared to alcohol.

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  • see what really bugs me about this paragraph is that I think in most cases its the poor relationship with parents that causes kids to be rebelious and thus get into trouble.
    You are correct. However, doing drugs is not going to solve that problem. It only exaserbates them.
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • gue_barium wrote:
    Marijuana is kind of innocuous, say, compared to alcohol.
    You might be shocked to hear this...but there are many parents out there who ALSO teach their kids to stay away from alcohol. Novel concept eh?
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp

    I found this as a great example of the disinformation that the goverment uses against marijuana. It really bothers me because I think that it is really important that our parents understand what marijuana use is all about. but this fucking article really twist the information around so that the reader thinks that the cause for teenage agnst and mischieve(sp?) is caused by marijuana.


    " Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used have lower achievement than the non-users, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more delinquent behavior and aggression, greater rebelliousness, poorer relationships with parents, and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends"

    My ex took her SAT's stoned out of her mind and nearly aced 'em.

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  • gue_barium wrote:
    My ex took her SAT's stoned out of her mind and nearly aced 'em.
    and this proves what exactly?
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    LOL I luv it when teenagers and young people try to educate us older ones.

    Let me ask you this dear, do you honestly think that you know something about marijuana that your parents havent already experienced?

    Could it be that adults say to stay away from drugs because they have actually seen the results?

    Hmmm...I've yet to see a child have more life experience than their parents. I think it would be a monumental moment in the course of history!

    Some Adults have lived fairly sheltered and innocent lives, such as my parents. My Dad has had maybe one drink in his life and has never seen drugs. Most adults say to stay away from things because they are addicted something I call "News and Media". Not because of their Life Experiences
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    You might be shocked to hear this...but there are many parents out there who ALSO teach their kids to stay away from alcohol. Novel concept eh?

    Teaching experience is a contradiction in terms. Experience is its own teacher. Meaning well for your child may be all well and good, however, kids all seek individuation from the parents at some point or another. I know you've said that you're involved with some sort of addictions clinic. Maybe you can expound on personal experience rather than relying on your profession of choice. Or, better yet, tell us how you happened to come upon this occupation. The best addiction counselors were once addicts themselves.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    and this proves what exactly?

    Well... point-blank, marijuana certainly wasn't a pre-cursor to a failed education or career.

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  • gue_barium wrote:
    Teaching experience is a contradiction in terms. Experience is its own teacher. Meaning well for your child may be all well and good, however, kids all seek individuation from the parents at some point or another. I know you've said that you're involved with some sort of addictions clinic. Maybe you can expound on personal experience rather than relying on your profession of choice. Or, better yet, tell us how you happened to come upon this occupation. The best addiction counselors were once addicts themselves.
    No, I never said anything of that sort. I am a Nurse Practitioner with a degree in Psychology and Social Science. I work with families and disturbed or mentally ill children/teens.

    Certainly encouraging individualization in children is necessary for proper growth, that doesn't mean a good parent would encourage them to "experience" deliberate harmful or negative situations.

    Just because you do not see anything wrong with marijuana use, doesn't mean it is harmless. The facts are there. It is usually the young and the less satisfied in life who tout its benefits.

    I have to add though, that I am a firm believer in the use of medicinal marijuana. Like any drug, it can serve a purpose. It does not however belong in the realm of recreational.

    Also, I am firmly against the use of these highly popularized "energy drinks" that kids especially are downing at alarming rates. They are equivalent to taking speed...a drug from my generation. They are setting our next generation up for severe heart and metabolism problems. Mark my words. I believe they belong with tight restrictions on them similiar to alcohol purchasing and consumption.
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • gue_barium wrote:
    Well... point-blank, marijuana certainly wasn't a pre-cursor to a failed education or career.
    yet, however if she were to continue on that road, it most likely would lead to such a situation.
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    yet, however if she were to continue on that road, it most likely would lead to such a situation.

    Well, she made the Who's Who book of accomplished students in America as a high school senior... was a coke snortin', pot smoking booze hound all through college at an Ivy league university where she graduated with honors... and, presently, she's got a great career as an educator at a private university on the East coast.

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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    yet, however if she were to continue on that road, it most likely would lead to such a situation.

    Many Many highly paid successful people use MJ on a daily basis. This is from experience going to meetings, conferences, etc . . .

    This is why there is such a heated debate on legalization in this country. I've run into many people I would think by looking at them "Oh they don't smoke weed" They've turned out to be the biggest stoners I've ever seen. Many work for Enormous Billion dollar companies that everyone has heard of and respected. 20 years ago or so people would enjoy a work meeting with a drink of scotch, now they go smoke a bowl.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    No, I never said anything of that sort. I am a Nurse Practitioner with a degree in Psychology and Social Science. I work with families and disturbed or mentally ill children/teens.

    Certainly encouraging individualization in children is necessary for proper growth, that doesn't mean a good parent would encourage them to "experience" deliberate harmful or negative situations.

    Just because you do not see anything wrong with marijuana use, doesn't mean it is harmless. The facts are there. It is usually the young and the less satisfied in life who tout its benefits.

    I have to add though, that I am a firm believer in the use of medicinal marijuana. Like any drug, it can serve a purpose. It does not however belong in the realm of recreational.

    Also, I am firmly against the use of these highly popularized "energy drinks" that kids especially are downing at alarming rates. They are equivalent to taking speed...a drug from my generation. They are setting our next generation up for severe heart and metabolism problems. Mark my words. I believe they belong with tight restrictions on them similiar to alcohol purchasing and consumption.

    I'm with ya on the energy drinks. I've never even tried one.
    I'm all for the promotion of healthy living standards... however... the problem I see with your line of promotion as it is, to me, only serves the myth of Right and Wrong, whereas a more understanding premise might serve to prove that there may be Good and Bad, i.e., vis a vis the parent/child dynamic. Or, as the case may be, nurse practioner/patient.

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  • gue_barium wrote:
    Well, she made the Who's Who book of accomplished students in America as a high school senior... was a coke snortin', pot smoking booze hound all through college at an Ivy league university where she graduated with honors... and, presently, she's got a great career as an educator at a private university on the East coast.
    and if the powers that be at the university or a parent found out about her recreational activities...you can bet she would be canned and be hard pressed to find work again of that caliber. Would it be worth the risk?
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
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