Conspiracy Nuts?

RockinInCanada

TheVoiceInside wrote:

that is freaky man...... i dream every day and really vivid dreams too. i cant imagine sleep without dreams. I still think we know very little about the mind.

Same here I have very intense dreams every night...plus you gotta love the dreams where you become lucid inside your dream..all of sudden you are controlling everything...except the urge to wake increases with every second that you become aware while dreaming...I always strive for this type of dream....every once and again I get one....

Ahnimus

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Same here I have very intense dreams every night...plus you gotta love the dreams where you become lucid inside your dream..all of sudden you are controlling everything...except the urge to wake increases with every second that you become aware while dreaming...I always strive for this type of dream....every once and again I get one....

I've tried all my life to have a wet dream. I hear they are a lot of fun, but alas, it's never happened.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Have you ever done fighter pilot training? The centrifugal force draws the blood out of their brains and causes a dream state. That dream state is actually a traumatic dream state and many people see tubes of white light with waving family members at the end.

I was in a serious car accident when I was a kid and was considered to have brain damage aswell. I was not concious for a long period of time. However, I didn't have any episodes, to this day I don't really dream, when I do it's so obscure no sense can be made from it. I dream maybe once every 6 months.

Any near death experience I've had, or death experience in that case, resulted in nothingness, complete void. Why? because that's what I believe happens after death.

please post any information that a fighter piolt dies or becomes brain dead during extreeme G forces. i'm talking the heart and measurable brain activity stops.
i don't dream at all. and i didn't before the brain anneurysm. i don't go into rem sleep.
my experience wasn't religious per say. i was catholic before the incident.

TheVoiceInside

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Same here I have very intense dreams every night...plus you gotta love the dreams where you become lucid inside your dream..all of sudden you are controlling everything...except the urge to wake increases with every second that you become aware while dreaming...I always strive for this type of dream....every once and again I get one....

Those are great. I have been shot, stabed, beaten up, car crashes you name it all the while i knew i was dreaming. its fucking intense. cuz it looks and feel real. i always laff it off when i wake up.

RockinInCanada

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Those are great. I have been shot, stabed, beaten up, car crashes you name it all the while i knew i was dreaming. its fucking intense. cuz it looks and feel real. i always laff it off when i wake up.

Yeah I did a header into concrete once...freaking did feel real...but yeah man these dreams seriously are the best....I just love the feeling all of sudden...hey I am dreaming here...then it is go time...do whatever you may please...so much fun...do you also find it hard to stay dreaming once you realize you are dreaming?

TheVoiceInside

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Yeah I did a header into concrete once...freaking did feel real...but yeah man these dreams seriously are the best....I just love the feeling all of sudden...hey I am dreaming here...then it is go time...do whatever you may please...so much fun...do you also find it hard to stay dreaming once you realize you are dreaming?

Actually I have been able to continue dreams. I would wake up get the phone or something and then go back to sleep and continue the dream. I think that is why i love to sleep so much.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

please post any information that a fighter piolt dies or becomes brain dead during extreeme G forces. i'm talking the heart and measurable brain activity stops.
i don't dream at all. and i didn't before the brain anneurysm. i don't go into rem sleep.
my experience wasn't religious per say. i was catholic before the incident.

Ok, well what happens at high G's is the heart cannot pump blood with enough force for it to reach the brain. It's not exactly sucking the blood out of the brain, rather the heart doesn't function properly under those circumstances.

wikipedia wrote:

g-induced Loss Of Consciousness is a condition where a person loses consciousness because g-forces move the blood away from the brain (black out) or move excess blood towards the brain (red out). The condition is most often linked to pilots of fighter planes or astronauts.

Incidents of acceleration-induced loss of consciousness were reported to have caused some deadly aircraft accidents in the 1970s. In the 1980s, in an attempt to reduce the risk of g-LOC related incidents, air force training facilities in many countries began to see centrifugation as a regular part of pilot training.

Aerobatic and fighter pilots may sometimes experience a brownout or grey out between 6 to 8g. This is not a total LOC but is characterised by temporary loss of coloured vision and/or tunnel vision, or even complete loss of vision temporarily, while consciousness remains. They may also be unable to interpret verbal commands.

James Whinnery wrote:

It is possible to classify the G-LOC episodes. The G-LOC experience includes specific visual symptoms (tunnel vision through blackout), convulsive activity, memory alterations, dreamlets, and other psychological symptoms. The major, overall G-LOC experience characteristics that have commonality with NDEs are shown below.

Tunnel vision / bright light
Floating
Automatic movement
Autoscopy
Out-of-body experience
Not wanting to be disturbed
Paralysis
Vivid dreamlets / beautiful places
a. Euphoria
b. Dissociation
Pleasurable
Psychologic state alteration
Friends / family inclusion
Prior memories / thoughts inclusion
Very memorable (when remembered)
Confabulation
Strong urge to understand
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html

There is more information available to you on many websites, search for Gravity Induced Loss of Consciousness

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, well what happens at high G's is the heart cannot pump blood with enough force for it to reach the brain. It's not exactly sucking the blood out of the brain, rather the heart doesn't function properly under those circumstances.





There is more information available to you on many websites, search for Gravity Induced Loss of Consciousness

wait; wait; are we still talking about death? loss of consiousness is a lot different from death. are you saying the pilots die? if they are; then are you admitting there is life after death? you'd have to admitt that because if death is final; they wouldn't have anything to come back from.
also; are they unconsious for 20 minutes? who's flying the plane?

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

wait; wait; are we still talking about death? loss of consiousness is a lot different from death. are you saying the pilots die? if they are; then are you admitting there is life after death? you'd have to admitt that because if death is final; they wouldn't have anything to come back from.
also; are they unconsious for 20 minutes? who's flying the plane?

I don't know exactly how they deal with the G-LOC, I know veteran pilots don't have much of a problem with it. Probably why they have centrifuge training for new pilots.

Someone can die and come back to life 20 minutes later, that's entirely possible. Their hearts can stop and be brought back to life, happens every day I'd imagine. It's kind of liking shutting down your computer and turning it on 20 minutes later. Only the body relies on it's self for power, so shutting it down for too long might cause it to stop functioning. Brain damage of course is common

azwyldcats

you nut

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't know exactly how they deal with the G-LOC, I know veteran pilots don't have much of a problem with it. Probably why they have centrifuge training for new pilots.

Someone can die and come back to life 20 minutes later, that's entirely possible. Their hearts can stop and be brought back to life, happens every day I'd imagine. It's kind of liking shutting down your computer and turning it on 20 minutes later. Only the body relies on it's self for power, so shutting it down for too long might cause it to stop functioning. Brain damage of course is common

i read that brain damage occures within 3 minutes and after 7 minutes of no blood; the brain will not function. my situation is different. they clamped the coraded arteries in my neck but kept my body alive artificially. i had no measurable brain activity for 20 minutes. the brain was being "irrigated" by the doctors but they couldn't measure any activity on whatever machine they use. a brain can survive in a jar for a while if irrigated but activity stops.

brain of c

TheVoiceInside wrote:

After reading some pages from Kabong's thread about explosives in WTC I realized something. Aperantly most of the posters here are very quick to label anyone who believes in conspiracy theories as a "nut". I see that they call them nuts because they believe in things that dont have alot of logic and just dont make any sense. So if I were to tell you all a story some 2000 years ago about a man who walked on water, turned water into wine, healed the injured and disabled, and many other increadible things only to be crucified and later resurect from the dead and then after roaming the earth for some 40 days ascended up into the sky never to be heard from again. Are any of you out there going to give me any proof? My point is dont call someone a nut for believing in events that have questions that are yet to be answered because if we were to do that then I think that all humans, especially those who believe in one of the major religions is nuts also.

sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

sliverstain

azwyldcats wrote:

you nut

That's a mature, constructive response. Childish, even.

And atypical of the original point bein gmade in the thread topic.

Grow up, son.

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist.

Please do explain, if you will.

I do see how being legally brain dead for 20 minutes is proof of God and Jesus' existence.

siochan

Because a person believes they see jesus/god/ or whatever doesn't necessarily mean anything to others just to that individual who had that experience.

It's like people discussing spirirts/ghosts .... i've had that type of experience and personally to myself I understand those experiences but doesn't mean I can convince others that such beings - ghosts or whatever you want to call them exist.

THe important thing is that one has to understand acept and realise that we are individuals and we can believe in certain things regardless if others don't believe accept or want to understand them....

To call someone a nut bvecause they have a diferent opinion is just lack of tolerance for others around you..... I've been called a nut several times for various reasons doesn't mean i believe i am one....... or care what someone thinks ....

floyd1975

siochan wrote:

To call someone a nut bvecause they have a diferent opinion is just lack of tolerance for others around you

It's a lot like being called a sheep. That is another term that is thrown out all the time around here when someone happens to not fall into the "nut" category.

CaterinaA

TheVoiceInside wrote:

that is freaky man...... i dream every day and really vivid dreams too. i cant imagine sleep without dreams. I still think we know very little about the mind.

If I'm not mistaken, most of people dream continually while sleeping, the thing did not dream about anything last night"...

TheVoiceInside

CaterinaA wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, most of people dream continually while sleeping, the thing did not dream about anything last night"...

so people who dont have dreams are really just dreaming about nothing? hmmmm

CaterinaA

TheVoiceInside wrote:

so people who dont have dreams are really just dreaming about nothing? hmmmm

Sorry, it was a "sentence malfunction". I can´t help thinking in spanish and then translating into english what I want to say...what I wrote sounded very clear in spanish

What I meant is that most people actually dream every night and throughout the whole sleeping period. But, most of the time we don't remember our dreams.

EDIT: I just read my previous post and there's also a case of a loose-finger. I must have pressed delete and didn't notice, 'cause the post doesn't make much sense, thanks for letting me know

El_Kabong

onelongsong wrote:

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist. not that you'll listen because your mind is made up. religion is based on faith.

i've been following el's thread throughtout the entire debate and not one shread of evidence has been presented to prove any type of conspiracy. just the babblings of people who were not involved in the investigation and not having the education to make such claims. if you noticed; none of them would bend even when presented with solid evidence that events occured. i'm surprised they admitt it even happened. oh yea; one said it was holograms.
i live a free and happy life and i can't imagine living in such fear and distrust. everything must be questioned but where's the line?

no one said it was holograms, a person said others think it was, but i didn't see a single person in the thread say they thought it was holograms...