Conspiracy Nuts?

TheVoiceInside

After reading some pages from Kabong's thread about explosives in WTC I realized something. Aperantly most of the posters here are very quick to label anyone who believes in conspiracy theories as a "nut". I see that they call them nuts because they believe in things that dont have alot of logic and just dont make any sense. So if I were to tell you all a story some 2000 years ago about a man who walked on water, turned water into wine, healed the injured and disabled, and many other increadible things only to be crucified and later resurect from the dead and then after roaming the earth for some 40 days ascended up into the sky never to be heard from again. Are any of you out there going to give me any proof? My point is dont call someone a nut for believing in events that have questions that are yet to be answered because if we were to do that then I think that all humans, especially those who believe in one of the major religions is nuts also.

inmytree

great point...don't forget to add Global Warming to the "quick to dismiss" list...

"god is real but global warming is a myth..."

onelongsong

TheVoiceInside wrote:

After reading some pages from Kabong's thread about explosives in WTC I realized something. Aperantly most of the posters here are very quick to label anyone who believes in conspiracy theories as a "nut". I see that they call them nuts because they believe in things that dont have alot of logic and just dont make any sense. So if I were to tell you all a story some 2000 years ago about a man who walked on water, turned water into wine, healed the injured and disabled, and many other increadible things only to be crucified and later resurect from the dead and then after roaming the earth for some 40 days ascended up into the sky never to be heard from again. Are any of you out there going to give me any proof? My point is dont call someone a nut for believing in events that have questions that are yet to be answered because if we were to do that then I think that all humans, especially those who believe in one of the major religions is nuts also.

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist. not that you'll listen because your mind is made up. religion is based on faith.

i've been following el's thread throughtout the entire debate and not one shread of evidence has been presented to prove any type of conspiracy. just the babblings of people who were not involved in the investigation and not having the education to make such claims. if you noticed; none of them would bend even when presented with solid evidence that events occured. i'm surprised they admitt it even happened. oh yea; one said it was holograms.
i live a free and happy life and i can't imagine living in such fear and distrust. everything must be questioned but where's the line?

NMyTree

onelongsong wrote:

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist. not that you'll listen because your mind is made up. religion is based on faith.

Did Jesus look like the traditional illustrations? You know, white guy with long brown hair, beard and mustache?

I've had some people say to me, that I look like Jesus.

"Jesus greets me.....looks just like me"

farfromglorified

TheVoiceInside wrote:

After reading some pages from Kabong's thread about explosives in WTC I realized something. Aperantly most of the posters here are very quick to label anyone who believes in conspiracy theories as a "nut". I see that they call them nuts because they believe in things that dont have alot of logic and just dont make any sense. So if I were to tell you all a story some 2000 years ago about a man who walked on water, turned water into wine, healed the injured and disabled, and many other increadible things only to be crucified and later resurect from the dead and then after roaming the earth for some 40 days ascended up into the sky never to be heard from again. Are any of you out there going to give me any proof? My point is dont call someone a nut for believing in events that have questions that are yet to be answered because if we were to do that then I think that all humans, especially those who believe in one of the major religions is nuts also.

I wouldn't call either group nuts, but I do believe they suffer from exactly the same affliction.

Spartanacus

onelongsong wrote:

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist.

You WERE legally brain dead? This might not end good for you, but please do tell more...

By the way...do you think it's possible to dream when you're "brain dead" just like when you sleep? That could be one simple explanation for people who "see the light," etc.

farfromglorified

onelongsong wrote:

religion is based on faith.

So are 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

EDIT...
everything must be questioned but where's the line?

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Apparently it is drawn right here:
"I was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist... religion is based on faith."

TheVoiceInside

onelongsong wrote:

i was legally brain dead for 20 minutes and can assure you God and Jesus exist. not that you'll listen because your mind is made up. religion is based on faith.

i've been following el's thread throughtout the entire debate and not one shread of evidence has been presented to prove any type of conspiracy. just the babblings of people who were not involved in the investigation and not having the education to make such claims. if you noticed; none of them would bend even when presented with solid evidence that events occured. i'm surprised they admitt it even happened. oh yea; one said it was holograms.
i live a free and happy life and i can't imagine living in such fear and distrust. everything must be questioned but where's the line?

wether my mind is made up or not is not the point, the point is that you cant label soemone a nut when at the same time you believe in something that is totally irrational. pot calling the kettle black. Imm not into name calling I just wanted to point that out because of the silly arguing that was going on in kabong's thread and most of the MT.

TheVoiceInside

farfromglorified wrote:

So are 9/11 conspiracy theories.

I agree but i wouldnt say faith, i would however say those theories are based in a deep belief that their is something that is wrong with events like 911. its soemthing like faith, but i dont think it is. Faith has too much of a religious tone.

farfromglorified

TheVoiceInside wrote:

I agree but i wouldnt say faith, i would however say those theories are based in a deep belief that their is something that is wrong with events like 911.

I completely agree, and therein lies the problem. To believe in one thing simply because of a "deep belief" that there is something wrong with another thing is irrational. If I have a "deep belief" that 2+2 does not equal 5, it doesn't mean that I should then believe that 2+2 equals 3.

People should not believe something because of a "deep belief" in the problems with another thing. They should believe in something based on the rational reasoning supporting it.

its soemthing like faith, but i dont think it is. Faith has too much of a religious tone.

Faith has many religious tones. But faith is found anywhere logic and fact is eschewed for another path.

onelongsong

Spartancus wrote:

You WERE legally brain dead? This might not end good for you, but please do tell more...

By the way...do you think it's possible to dream when you're "brain dead" just like when you sleep? That could be one simple explanation for people who "see the light," etc.

i wish i did see the light; or at least what others claim to see. there's no possible way i can still be alive but i am. there's no way i could get 2 degrees afterwards but i did.
dreaming while brain dead is possible; but not after the brain is deprived of blood for an extended period of time. most of the people who dream these experiences are not brain dead. the brain continues to function for a while after death. brain dead means the brain stops to function. death may be defined as the heart stopping; but brain dead narrows the deffinition.

onelongsong

TheVoiceInside wrote:

wether my mind is made up or not is not the point, the point is that you cant label soemone a nut when at the same time you believe in something that is totally irrational. pot calling the kettle black. Imm not into name calling I just wanted to point that out because of the silly arguing that was going on in kabong's thread and most of the MT.

i don't recall labeling anyone anything. you believe what you want based on the information you have. like the world being flat. that was the belief until other evidence was presented. the sun revolving around the earth was another belief dismissed after more evidence was discovered.

i have faith that i'll wake up tomorrow and it has nothing to do with religion. one marrys with the faith that their partner will be faithful. that's not religious either. conspiracy theories are based on conjecture. not faith. if there were hard facts it wouldn't be a thoery anymore.

TheVoiceInside

farfromglorified wrote:

I completely agree, and therein lies the problem. To believe in one thing simply because of a "deep belief" that there is something wrong with another thing is irrational.

Yes, but what if it turns out that one is correct. is it just luck?

farfromglorified

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Yes, but what if it turns out that one is correct. is it just luck?

Yes. The amount of luck involved is the measure of the degree of speculation involved in the claim.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

i wish i did see the light; or at least what others claim to see. there's no possible way i can still be alive but i am. there's no way i could get 2 degrees afterwards but i did.
dreaming while brain dead is possible; but not after the brain is deprived of blood for an extended period of time. most of the people who dream these experiences are not brain dead. the brain continues to function for a while after death. brain dead means the brain stops to function. death may be defined as the heart stopping; but brain dead narrows the deffinition.

Have you ever done fighter pilot training? The centrifugal force draws the blood out of their brains and causes a dream state. That dream state is actually a traumatic dream state and many people see tubes of white light with waving family members at the end.

I was in a serious car accident when I was a kid and was considered to have brain damage aswell. I was not concious for a long period of time. However, I didn't have any episodes, to this day I don't really dream, when I do it's so obscure no sense can be made from it. I dream maybe once every 6 months.

Any near death experience I've had, or death experience in that case, resulted in nothingness, complete void. Why? because that's what I believe happens after death.

TheVoiceInside

onelongsong wrote:

i don't recall labeling anyone anything. you believe what you want based on the information you have. like the world being flat. that was the belief until other evidence was presented. the sun revolving around the earth was another belief dismissed after more evidence was discovered.

i have faith that i'll wake up tomorrow and it has nothing to do with religion. one marrys with the faith that their partner will be faithful. that's not religious either. conspiracy theories are based on conjecture. not faith. if there were hard facts it wouldn't be a thoery anymore.

i see what you are saying but i disagree. to me its the same thing that when it comes to questioning religion I think poeple just get a little intimidated. and just use faith as a quick solution to a huge problem.

TheVoiceInside

farfromglorified wrote:

Yes. The amount of luck involved is the measure of the degree of speculation involved in the claim.

Gods dice.

TheVoiceInside

Ahnimus wrote:

Have you ever done fighter pilot training? The centrifugal force draws the blood out of their brains and causes a dream state. That dream state is actually a traumatic dream state and many people see tubes of white light with waving family members at the end.

I was in a serious car accident when I was a kid and was considered to have brain damage aswell. I was not concious for a long period of time. However, I didn't have any episodes, to this day I don't really dream, when I do it's so obscure no sense can be made from it. I dream maybe once every 6 months.

Any near death experience I've had, or death experience in that case, resulted in nothingness, complete void. Why? because that's what I believe happens after death.

that is freaky man...... i dream every day and really vivid dreams too. i cant imagine sleep without dreams. I still think we know very little about the mind.

farfromglorified

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Gods dice.

Precisely.

Ahnimus

TheVoiceInside wrote:

that is freaky man...... i dream every day and really vivid dreams too. i cant imagine sleep without dreams. I still think we know very little about the mind.

I think it has to do with my state of mind when I go to sleep. I don't think about stuff a lot when I go to bed. I just go there to sleep. I don't dwell on things either, or really worry about stuff. I might talk about conspiracies and inside jobs and all this scary stuff, but at the end of it, it doesn't scare me or affect me in any other way. And I don't believe in god.