Is Columbus Day a holiday for Native Americans

Vedd Hedd

MrSmith wrote:

And i honestly can't remember in school anyone ever saying Colombus was a great guy. The books said he was the first EUROPEAN to discover America (which technically still isn't true but its close) and thats sbout it. I don't know where you guys went to school, but i went to school in the worst fucking school systems in America (Mississippi and Louisiana) and the teachers (most of whom were pretty liberal) didn't portray American history as all sunshine and rainbows. They didn't get into the gory stuff either. Seriously, what the fuck.

Didnt learn this in Grade school, touched on it in high school. Most of this came from college.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Venezuelan's no likey Columbus!

"a group of young men and women tore down the statue of the 15th Century explorer during this national holiday that was renamed the Day of Indigenous Resistance.""

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/734

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i just keep being told about how the american school system is some kind of propaganda tool for the US gov't. The school system, its teachers and administration couldn't find its ass with both hands. its withering on the vine. And most kids don't pay attention in history class anyway or are too obsessed with being cool to make good grades. It couldn't brainwash anyone if it tried. The American school system is a joke but not because it teaches bad history.

Vedd Hedd

MrSmith wrote:

i just keep being told about how the american school system is some kind of propaganda tool for the US gov't. The school system, its teachers and administration couldn't find its ass with both hands. its withering on the vine. And most kids don't pay attention in history class anyway or are too obsessed with being cool to make good grades. It couldn't brainwash anyone if it tried. The American school system is a joke but not because it teaches bad history.

I agree with that to a certain degree, but ultimately it depends on the individual.

I think some schools teach the "In Fourteen hundred and Ninety-Two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" version of Columbus while some are more objective.

But either way, its hard to go into the real details like that in grade school. Its too bad many HS kids dont want to pay attention, because some of this shit, while disgusting, is simply fascinating.

I think most non-history major or minors in College only have to take one or two classes, dont really care, and dont really pay attention.

I was given the "Columbus was great, he was so brave and discovered America" lesson, but I went to a catholic school, so maybe they were defending the fact he spread christianity.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

I think my mom taught me the "Columbus was great" thing. And most of the other similar ideals. She's always the idealist, heheh. But i guess if the lessons a re good ones the names dont matter.

I was always fascinated by history, too. it was my favorite class. It always bugged me that people didn't understand the point.

rigneyclan

Many Native Americans I know call it Indigenous Peoples Day instead.
I don't know why anyone would want to celebrate a murderer.
And he wasn't even the first European to set foot on the Americas, the Vikings did it a few hundred years earlier.

chadwick

Columbus day is actually turd day.

Lief Ericson, wasn't he and his fellow
vikings the first outsiders to set foot
on North America sum one thousand
years before Columbus was even invented?

soulsinging

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Its an actual account of what Columbus and the Spanish did to the native people of the Indies, and how brutal they were to them.

I put Columbus right up there with Hitler, Hussein, etc.

wasn't that kinda par for the course back then? i mean, human beings in general were brutal back then. columbus was nothing special. in those days if you wanted a village you went in, sacked it, raped the women, burned the homes, and stole all the goods. they did this to each other, not just the native americans. columbus just found new places to do it. by your definition i'd say prior to 16-1700 EVERYONE was on par with hitler and hussein.

i dont get columbus day though. he wasnt american, not in america, had nothing to do with america, and didn't discover shit.

chadwick

soulsinging wrote:

wasn't that kinda par for the course back then? i mean, human beings in general were brutal back then. columbus was nothing special. in those days if you wanted a village you went in, sacked it, raped the women, burned the homes, and stole all the goods. they did this to each other, not just the native americans. columbus just found new places to do it. by your definition i'd say prior to 16-1700 EVERYONE was on par with hitler and hussein.

i dont get columbus day though. he wasnt american, not in america, had nothing to do with america, and didn't discover shit.

it's a made up goverment holiday.
it's a load of shit.

soulsinging

chadwick wrote:

it's a made up goverment holiday.
it's a load of shit.

aren't all holidays made up by the government?

chadwick

soulsinging wrote:

aren't all holidays made up by the government?

yea actually i suppose so.
some being more useless than others.

baraka

soulsinging wrote:

wasn't that kinda par for the course back then? i mean, human beings in general were brutal back then. columbus was nothing special. in those days if you wanted a village you went in, sacked it, raped the women, burned the homes, and stole all the goods. they did this to each other, not just the native americans. columbus just found new places to do it. by your definition i'd say prior to 16-1700 EVERYONE was on par with hitler and hussein.

i dont get columbus day though. he wasnt american, not in america, had nothing to do with america, and didn't discover shit.

I basically agree with this. Columbus was a product of his time. It is hard to fathom how human beings treated each other, back in the day, aristocrats vs peasants, etc. I'm sure years from now folks will look back on our times and have the same sentiments.

It seems, though, our criteria on who deserves a national holiday is quite lacking. Columbus was not a man of character, although he was probably quite on par for his time. National holidays should be named after those men and women that were extraordinary for their time, as far as character and how they helped advance humanity.

mookie blaylock 10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Venezuelan's no likey Columbus!

"a group of young men and women tore down the statue of the 15th Century explorer during this national holiday that was renamed the Day of Indigenous Resistance.""

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/734

excellent. thanks for posting this, roland.

mookie blaylock 10

dunkman wrote:

must be weird for them... the US having Columbus Day, a celebration of the day America was discovered, and yet they were already living there...

dunky, it would be like you celebrating the queen's birthday for being so kind to the scotland and for so many hundreds of years of fine, hospitable treatment from the english monarchy. not going to happen.

just to clarify...there was nobody in scotland before the english "arrived", right?

chadwick

baraka wrote:

I basically agree with this. Columbus was a product of his time. It is hard to fathom how human beings treated each other, back in the day, aristocrats vs peasants, etc. I'm sure years from now folks will look back on our times and have the same sentiments.

It seems, though, our criteria on who deserves a national holiday is quite lacking. Columbus was not a man of character, although he was probably quite on par for his time. National holidays should be named after those men and women that were extraordinary for their time, as far as character and how they helped advance humanity.

Yea like Martin Luther King day.
I totally am for this day being a holiday.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

baraka wrote:

It seems, though, our criteria on who deserves a national holiday is quite lacking. Columbus was not a man of character, although he was probably quite on par for his time. National holidays should be named after those men and women that were extraordinary for their time, as far as character and how they helped advance humanity.

I'd probably have to work a lot more often if that were the case.

soulsinging wrote:

aren't all holidays made up by the government?

Holidays are an excuse to get hammered and eat too much. People don't pay much attention to the why anymore.

baraka

chadwick wrote:

Yea like Martin Luther King day.
I totally am for this day being a holiday.

Yeah, that's who I had in mind too!

MrSmith wrote:

I'd probably have to work a lot more often if that were the case.:)

Admittedly, I have the day off. I just say make it into a worthy holiday.

Vedd Hedd

soulsinging wrote:

wasn't that kinda par for the course back then? i mean, human beings in general were brutal back then. columbus was nothing special. in those days if you wanted a village you went in, sacked it, raped the women, burned the homes, and stole all the goods. they did this to each other, not just the native americans. columbus just found new places to do it. by your definition i'd say prior to 16-1700 EVERYONE was on par with hitler and hussein.

i dont get columbus day though. he wasnt american, not in america, had nothing to do with america, and didn't discover shit.

I agree. But we have a national holiday honoring him, parades, statues, streets.....

I cant think of another "holiday" where someone like that is honored.

.......We should have Amerigo Vespucci Day.

tybird

soulsinging wrote:

oh to work for the government...

Exactly...........a holiday for gov workers.....they give them extra holidays when they can't/won't give them raises.

MahoganySouls

chadwick wrote:

it's a made up goverment holiday.
it's a load of shit.

All holidays are made up. That was my point in the Halloween post. This holiday is as disgusting to me as thanksgiving. Yet, people over on the Hobo forum will tell you that if your kids have fun with it, it's ok to celebrate. It doesn't matter what the origin of it is. (note sarcastic disdain)