And there was I thinking that Timothy McVeigh had been executed?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Here's a challenge...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.
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P.S. Pushing the car from an airplane over my house doesn't count, unless you are still behind the wheel.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Here's a challenge...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.
Look at the stats, Cosmo. I don't know how many different ways to say it.
Look at the stats, Cosmo. I don't know how many different ways to say it.
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Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking down the street.
So?
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Anyone want to challenge me to a duel? You in your Toyota Corolla... me, with my 9mm H&K?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking dow the street.
So?
I have never seen a guy walking down the street, brandishing a gun. I have never seen someone shot. I have, however, driven by several fatal car accidents. If I was arguing this case solely on the basis of personal experience (I am not), I'd be saying the same thing. Cars kill more people than guns. Fact. Does that mean that cars are inherently more lethal than guns? No, not necessarily. It does point toward a serious, serious problem with the number of irresponsible drivers out there on the road, though. Do people actually wish to address this problem? Apparently not. All the focus is on guns.
I have never seen a guy walking down the street, brandishing a gun. I have never seen someone shot. I have, however, driven by several fatal car accidents. If I was arguing this case solely on the basis of personal experience (I am not), I'd be saying the same thing. Cars kill more people than guns. Fact. Does that mean that cars are inherently more lethal than guns? No, not necessarily. It does point toward a serious, serious problem with the number of irresponsible drivers out there on the road, though. Do people actually wish to address this problem? Apparently not. All the focus is on guns.
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Actually... you score a point for me and my gun control arguement. Not everyone should be able to own a gun. You even mention 'irresponsible drivers'... do you think those irresponsible drivers would make responsible gun owners? Would you want those irresponsible drivers runing around with guns?
I've never stood for no guns... I stand for no guns for every irresponsible asshole out there. If they can't even drive a fucking car, i don't want them to have a fucking gun.
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So, no matter how you spin it... all things being equal... if the number of car drivers out there were equal to the number of gun owners out there... the numbers (facts) would change dramatically.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Actually... you score a point for me and my gun control arguement. Not everyone should be able to own a gun. You even mention 'irresponsible drivers'... do you think those irresponsible drivers would make responsible gun owners? Would you want those irresponsible drivers runing around with guns?
I've never stood for no guns... I stand for no guns for every irresponsible asshole out there. If they can't even drive a fucking car, i don't want them to have a fucking gun.
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So, no matter how you spin it... all things being equal... if the number of car drivers out there were equal to the number of gun owners out there... the numbers (facts) would change dramatically.
Your last point is an empirical question. Nevertheless, you're right. I do actually believe in REASONABLE gun controls. In fact, you and I probably agree on the topic. Why are we arguing? You seem to get irritated by this car argument .. Why? Like you just said, both involve the issue of keeping dangerous people in a state where they can do less damage.
Your last point is an empirical question. Nevertheless, you're right. I do actually believe in REASONABLE gun controls. In fact, you and I probably agree on the topic. Why are we arguing? You seem to get irritated by this car argument .. Why? Like you just said, both involve the issue of keeping dangerous people in a state where they can do less damage.
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I know we agree.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time.
I drive my car to get to work, go to see Pearl Jam and to get the tacos asada.
The gun is designed for what? Killing someone or something. And yes, if people feel the need to own a gun for whatever reason... personal protection, hunting, sport... fine... I have NO problem with that. Just put some safety checks in place to limit the number of irresponsible assholes from getting a hold of one.
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I know we agree.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time.
I drive my car to get to work, go to see Pearl Jam and to get the tacos asada.
The gun is designed for what? Killing someone or something. And yes, if people feel the need to own a gun for whatever reason... personal protection, hunting, sport... fine... I have NO problem with that. Just put some safety checks in place to limit the number of irresponsible assholes from getting a hold of one.
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.
I know people make that comparison too often ... Its not a good comparison unless one is being very careful how its used. Even then, there are probably better ways to make the point ... Conceded.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time..
I'll take up the challenge! You at the end of a 1/2 straight-away and me a the other end. I floor it and you don't move. Average gun on the street has 8 to 10 rounds. You better be pretty fucking good with that gun because I'm coming at you with a weapon with several million ft/lbs of energy vs. your 8 to 10 shots at a couple hundred ft/lbs.
I'll take up the challenge! You at the end of a 1/2 straight-away and me a the other end. I floor it and you don't move. Average gun on the street has 8 to 10 rounds. You better be pretty fucking good with that gun because I'm coming at you with a weapon with several million ft/lbs of energy vs. your 8 to 10 shots at a couple hundred ft/lbs.
Car wins.
You beat me to it! The guy with the gun would have to be 1) a hell of a shot to hit a rapidly moving target and 2) calm and collected under pressure because the driver would be bearing down on his ass at a rapid rate. The shooter would have only limited and obstructed target profiles for very brief moments.
I'd pick an average car driver to beat an average shooter any day in that duel. Cops don't even hit their targets most of the time. Studies of police shootings have shown a 20ft distance threshold for shot accuracy, dropping off rapidly beyond that. So if you are going to insure an accurate shot, the driver has to be within 20 ft (and that's for a cop with training). Good luck if that car is 10 - 20 ft away from you and closing when you fire that shot.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Maybe he'll recognise that that there is a war against education - the syllabus' just don't cut the mustard and this is the unequivocal, obvious backlash...
Or that the war at home is more pertinent to his countrymen's daily agenda than a wild ol' hootenanny across foreign plains...
Note: Tongue sticking out as far as humanly possible...
What do you call 3 sheep tied together in the middle of Wales? - A Leisure Centre.
Here's a challenge...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.
...
P.S. Pushing the car from an airplane over my house doesn't count, unless you are still behind the wheel.
Ah man, I would totally smoke you
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.
great points Cosmo.. and i've been saying this same thing for a while now
the car argument isnt valid until the same regulations and checks are put upon gun holders that are asked of car drivers
passing tests, car tax, registration, MOT's, insurances, all those signs on the roads telling you speed, warnings, etc... lots and lots of checks and paperwork... if people want to drive so much then they'll do all of the above to be able to get in a car... same with guns... if people want them so much then make them go through the same rigorous checks and procedures
and when people say "you're more likely to get killed by a car and a gun"... of course you are, there are 180million of the fucking things flying around the US quite openly... as someone has just said, you hardly ever see someone walking around with a gun... but cars are fucking everywhere... you're also more likely to get killed by choking on a fish bone than being shot by a gun.. the argument is just stupid!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
You beat me to it! The guy with the gun would have to be 1) a hell of a shot to hit a rapidly moving target and 2) calm and collected under pressure because the driver would be bearing down on his ass at a rapid rate. The shooter would have only limited and obstructed target profiles for very brief moments.
I'd pick an average car driver to beat an average shooter any day in that duel. Cops don't even hit their targets most of the time. Studies of police shootings have shown a 20ft distance threshold for shot accuracy, dropping off rapidly beyond that. So if you are going to insure an accurate shot, the driver has to be within 20 ft (and that's for a cop with training). Good luck if that car is 10 - 20 ft away from you and closing when you fire that shot.
There's a simple solution here. The gun I'd choose would be a sawn-off shotgun. Job done!
well........ it seem to me that rhetoric arguments here took the argument far away from its meaning, that is: cars are made to move, guns are meant to shoot and kill.
first of all your FREEDOM was won from the barrel of a gun
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!
you're pathetitc. At least pay respect to victims of genocide you quoted and abstein to talk shallow and meaningless
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Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking down the street.
So?
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Anyone want to challenge me to a duel? You in your Toyota Corolla... me, with my 9mm H&K?
well........ it seem to me that rhetoric arguments here took the argument far away from its meaning, that is: cars are made to move, guns are meant to shoot and kill.
There's a simple solution here. The gun I'd choose would be a sawn-off shotgun. Job done!
Job done, you've just been run over. The shotgun's effective range is nowhere near that of a handgun. Between the decreased accuracy with a shorter barrel, and the shot pattern you'd get, you better be within about 10ft. Good luck with that.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Job done, you've just been run over. The shotgun's effective range is nowhere near that of a handgun. Between the decreased accuracy with a shorter barrel, and the shot pattern you'd get, you better be within about 10ft. Good luck with that.
The reason I'd use a sawn off shotgun is because it would solve the problem of accuracy. I'd wait until the car was 10 - 15ft away and then blast my foe. The spray of pellets would mean that at least a few of them would hit their target. Obviously I'd dive for cover as soon as I'd fired.
Edit: O.k, so I've ignored the 'you don't move' part. Then it'll be a draw.
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Blew up indeed. In fact, screw thermite ... I think it was actually stupidity that brought down the Twin Towers ...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.
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P.S. Pushing the car from an airplane over my house doesn't count, unless you are still behind the wheel.
Hail, Hail!!!
Look at the stats, Cosmo. I don't know how many different ways to say it.
Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking down the street.
So?
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Anyone want to challenge me to a duel? You in your Toyota Corolla... me, with my 9mm H&K?
Hail, Hail!!!
I have never seen a guy walking down the street, brandishing a gun. I have never seen someone shot. I have, however, driven by several fatal car accidents. If I was arguing this case solely on the basis of personal experience (I am not), I'd be saying the same thing. Cars kill more people than guns. Fact. Does that mean that cars are inherently more lethal than guns? No, not necessarily. It does point toward a serious, serious problem with the number of irresponsible drivers out there on the road, though. Do people actually wish to address this problem? Apparently not. All the focus is on guns.
Actually... you score a point for me and my gun control arguement. Not everyone should be able to own a gun. You even mention 'irresponsible drivers'... do you think those irresponsible drivers would make responsible gun owners? Would you want those irresponsible drivers runing around with guns?
I've never stood for no guns... I stand for no guns for every irresponsible asshole out there. If they can't even drive a fucking car, i don't want them to have a fucking gun.
...
So, no matter how you spin it... all things being equal... if the number of car drivers out there were equal to the number of gun owners out there... the numbers (facts) would change dramatically.
Hail, Hail!!!
Your last point is an empirical question. Nevertheless, you're right. I do actually believe in REASONABLE gun controls. In fact, you and I probably agree on the topic. Why are we arguing? You seem to get irritated by this car argument .. Why? Like you just said, both involve the issue of keeping dangerous people in a state where they can do less damage.
I know we agree.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time.
I drive my car to get to work, go to see Pearl Jam and to get the tacos asada.
The gun is designed for what? Killing someone or something. And yes, if people feel the need to own a gun for whatever reason... personal protection, hunting, sport... fine... I have NO problem with that. Just put some safety checks in place to limit the number of irresponsible assholes from getting a hold of one.
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.
Hail, Hail!!!
I know people make that comparison too often ... Its not a good comparison unless one is being very careful how its used. Even then, there are probably better ways to make the point ... Conceded.
I'll take up the challenge! You at the end of a 1/2 straight-away and me a the other end. I floor it and you don't move. Average gun on the street has 8 to 10 rounds. You better be pretty fucking good with that gun because I'm coming at you with a weapon with several million ft/lbs of energy vs. your 8 to 10 shots at a couple hundred ft/lbs.
Car wins.
You beat me to it! The guy with the gun would have to be 1) a hell of a shot to hit a rapidly moving target and 2) calm and collected under pressure because the driver would be bearing down on his ass at a rapid rate. The shooter would have only limited and obstructed target profiles for very brief moments.
I'd pick an average car driver to beat an average shooter any day in that duel. Cops don't even hit their targets most of the time. Studies of police shootings have shown a 20ft distance threshold for shot accuracy, dropping off rapidly beyond that. So if you are going to insure an accurate shot, the driver has to be within 20 ft (and that's for a cop with training). Good luck if that car is 10 - 20 ft away from you and closing when you fire that shot.
Or that the war at home is more pertinent to his countrymen's daily agenda than a wild ol' hootenanny across foreign plains...
Note: Tongue sticking out as far as humanly possible...
Ah man, I would totally smoke you
great points Cosmo.. and i've been saying this same thing for a while now
the car argument isnt valid until the same regulations and checks are put upon gun holders that are asked of car drivers
passing tests, car tax, registration, MOT's, insurances, all those signs on the roads telling you speed, warnings, etc... lots and lots of checks and paperwork... if people want to drive so much then they'll do all of the above to be able to get in a car... same with guns... if people want them so much then make them go through the same rigorous checks and procedures
and when people say "you're more likely to get killed by a car and a gun"... of course you are, there are 180million of the fucking things flying around the US quite openly... as someone has just said, you hardly ever see someone walking around with a gun... but cars are fucking everywhere... you're also more likely to get killed by choking on a fish bone than being shot by a gun.. the argument is just stupid!
There's a simple solution here. The gun I'd choose would be a sawn-off shotgun. Job done!
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Job done, you've just been run over. The shotgun's effective range is nowhere near that of a handgun. Between the decreased accuracy with a shorter barrel, and the shot pattern you'd get, you better be within about 10ft. Good luck with that.
The reason I'd use a sawn off shotgun is because it would solve the problem of accuracy. I'd wait until the car was 10 - 15ft away and then blast my foe. The spray of pellets would mean that at least a few of them would hit their target. Obviously I'd dive for cover as soon as I'd fired.
Edit: O.k, so I've ignored the 'you don't move' part. Then it'll be a draw.