Bush's Gun Conference - will he be a pussy?

Byrnzie

reborncareerist wrote:

The only contributions you typically make to this forum involve comparisons of people's posts to various bodily functions. Yet apparently I'm the one with the problem.

Do a google search on "defense mechanism: projection".
Report back on what you've learned. Don't worry, my expectations aren't real high.

I've only just read your post and I laughed out loud. "defense mechanism: projection" - what have I learned? I learnt about 15 years ago that 99% of psychology is the art of stating the obvious, and that the study of 'Psychology' itself is to a large degree a 'defense mechanism' against open mindedness and the mystery of consciousness. I also learnt that people who resort to such simplistic notions of human behaviour as found in psychology textbooks tend themselves to be a bit simple.
However, what this has to do with my calling you to account for stating that "[Us?] people probably sit around and wait for the next school shooting, just so [we] can come here and post [our] diatribes..." is beyond me.
P.s, you state above that your expectations aren't real high. Be careful! This could be construed as a lack of self esteem and the existence of acute depressive tendencies.
And also, your clinging to all things conservative and reactionary may be construed as being a form of repressed anxiety with origins in childhood potty training.

kenny olav

Byrnzie wrote:

I've only just read your post and I laughed out loud. "defense mechanism: projection" - what have I learned? I learnt about 15 years ago that 99% of psychology is the art of stating the obvious, and that the study of 'Psychology' itself is to a large degree a 'defense mechanism' against open mindedness and the mystery of consciousness. I also learnt that people who resort to such simplistic notions of human behaviour as found in psychology textbooks tend themselves to be a bit simple.
However, what this has to do with my calling you to account for stating that "[Us?] people probably sit around and wait for the next school shooting, just so [we] can come here and post [our] diatribes..." is beyond me.
P.s, you state above that your expectations aren't real high. Be careful! This could be construed as a lack of self esteem and and the existence of acute depressive tendencies.
And also, your clinging to all things conservative and reactionary may be construed as being a form of repressed anxiety with origins in childhood potty training.

dude, you just blew up my skull.

SuzannePjam

The Amish girls were shot execution style by a semi-automatic weapon. The federal law banning the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons, known as the federal assault weapons ban, has expired. It was passed as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. President Clinton signed it into law on September 13, 1994. Despite his promise to renew the ban, President George W. Bush and Congress allowed the ban to "sunset" in September of 2004.

Thanks George W.

69charger

SuzannePjam wrote:

The Amish girls were shot execution style by a semi-automatic weapon. The federal law banning the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons, known as the federal assault weapons ban, has expired. It was passed as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. President Clinton signed it into law on September 13, 1994. Despite his promise to renew the ban, President George W. Bush and Congress allowed the ban to "sunset" in September of 2004.

Thanks George W.

There were no "Assault Weapons" used in this shooting. It was a 9mm pistol, a shotgun, and a semi-automatic rifle. "Assault Weapons" are generally defined as 'military style' rifles and there is no mention of the type of semi-automatic rifle used.

Aside from that...

Renewing the "Assault Weapons Ban" would not have saved these girls. All the "Assault Weapons Ban" consisted of were cosmetic changes. The ban did nothing to alter the function of the firearm.

JamMastaE

first of all your FREEDOM was won from the barrel of a gun
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!

Byrnzie

JamMastaE wrote:

first of all your FREEDOM was won from the barrel of a gun
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.
Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!

And there was I thinking that Timothy McVeigh had been executed?

negationist

JamMastaE wrote:

first of all your FREEDOM was won from the barrel of a gun
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!

I think the major problem in America is not the gun laws (or lack thereof). I think it's more a problem of education and socioeconomic inequality. I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but theres a great disparity between the haves and havenots in America. So i think the root of the problem would be to address these issues. You wouldn't be attacked by 'tyrants, rapists, robbers and sickos' if there were no 'tyrants, rapists, robbers and sickos' to begin with. However, i still believe that guns are a serious problem and they're use should be highly regulated and well monitored, which to my understanding isn't what's going on in the states. Well, not in all states anyway.

dq4life

bryanfury wrote:

blame the democrats. its their fault. they hate kids....and america.

no. no we don't.and we do have moral values. you really shouldn't blame a political party for the lack of gun regulation (especially democrats considering congress is controlled by Republicans.) alll that and i didn't make some innaccurate, overly generalized statement about republicans.

Will1659

JamMastaE wrote:

fsecond/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)

If the defense of our freedom and liberty in this day and age comes down to a bunch of rednecks with their deer rifles against the US Army, I'm sorry, but freedom and liberty are fucked. The 2nd ammendment might have made sense when it was written, but times have changed just a bit since then. Now it's just as outdated as blacks only being 2/3 of a person.

Byrnzie

JamMastaE wrote:

first of all your FREEDOM was won from the barrel of a gun
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!

This post should have a thread all of it's own. I could happily spend years trying to get to the bottom of it.

dunkman

Byrnzie wrote:

And there was I thinking that Timothy McVeigh had been executed?

rebornFixer

Kenny Olav wrote:

dude, you just blew up my skull.

Blew up indeed. In fact, screw thermite ... I think it was actually stupidity that brought down the Twin Towers ...

Cosmo

Here's a challenge...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.
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P.S. Pushing the car from an airplane over my house doesn't count, unless you are still behind the wheel.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

Here's a challenge...
To anyone who puts up the 'Car as deadly as a gun' arguement...
You get in a car and I'll get me a gun and let's try to kill each other.

Look at the stats, Cosmo. I don't know how many different ways to say it.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

Look at the stats, Cosmo. I don't know how many different ways to say it.

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Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking down the street.
So?
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Anyone want to challenge me to a duel? You in your Toyota Corolla... me, with my 9mm H&K?

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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Count the cars driving down the road.
Count the number of guns you see in people's hands walking dow the street.
So?

I have never seen a guy walking down the street, brandishing a gun. I have never seen someone shot. I have, however, driven by several fatal car accidents. If I was arguing this case solely on the basis of personal experience (I am not), I'd be saying the same thing. Cars kill more people than guns. Fact. Does that mean that cars are inherently more lethal than guns? No, not necessarily. It does point toward a serious, serious problem with the number of irresponsible drivers out there on the road, though. Do people actually wish to address this problem? Apparently not. All the focus is on guns.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

I have never seen a guy walking down the street, brandishing a gun. I have never seen someone shot. I have, however, driven by several fatal car accidents. If I was arguing this case solely on the basis of personal experience (I am not), I'd be saying the same thing. Cars kill more people than guns. Fact. Does that mean that cars are inherently more lethal than guns? No, not necessarily. It does point toward a serious, serious problem with the number of irresponsible drivers out there on the road, though. Do people actually wish to address this problem? Apparently not. All the focus is on guns.

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Actually... you score a point for me and my gun control arguement. Not everyone should be able to own a gun. You even mention 'irresponsible drivers'... do you think those irresponsible drivers would make responsible gun owners? Would you want those irresponsible drivers runing around with guns?
I've never stood for no guns... I stand for no guns for every irresponsible asshole out there. If they can't even drive a fucking car, i don't want them to have a fucking gun.
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So, no matter how you spin it... all things being equal... if the number of car drivers out there were equal to the number of gun owners out there... the numbers (facts) would change dramatically.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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Actually... you score a point for me and my gun control arguement. Not everyone should be able to own a gun. You even mention 'irresponsible drivers'... do you think those irresponsible drivers would make responsible gun owners? Would you want those irresponsible drivers runing around with guns?
I've never stood for no guns... I stand for no guns for every irresponsible asshole out there. If they can't even drive a fucking car, i don't want them to have a fucking gun.
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So, no matter how you spin it... all things being equal... if the number of car drivers out there were equal to the number of gun owners out there... the numbers (facts) would change dramatically.

Your last point is an empirical question. Nevertheless, you're right. I do actually believe in REASONABLE gun controls. In fact, you and I probably agree on the topic. Why are we arguing? You seem to get irritated by this car argument .. Why? Like you just said, both involve the issue of keeping dangerous people in a state where they can do less damage.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

Your last point is an empirical question. Nevertheless, you're right. I do actually believe in REASONABLE gun controls. In fact, you and I probably agree on the topic. Why are we arguing? You seem to get irritated by this car argument .. Why? Like you just said, both involve the issue of keeping dangerous people in a state where they can do less damage.

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I know we agree.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time.
I drive my car to get to work, go to see Pearl Jam and to get the tacos asada.
The gun is designed for what? Killing someone or something. And yes, if people feel the need to own a gun for whatever reason... personal protection, hunting, sport... fine... I have NO problem with that. Just put some safety checks in place to limit the number of irresponsible assholes from getting a hold of one.
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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I know we agree.
But I think the whole car vs. gun thing is ridiculous. That was the point of my challenge... you'd have to be a complete idiot to take up an offer where you get in a car and the other guy gets a fucking gun. I'll pick the gun 100% of the time.
I drive my car to get to work, go to see Pearl Jam and to get the tacos asada.
The gun is designed for what? Killing someone or something. And yes, if people feel the need to own a gun for whatever reason... personal protection, hunting, sport... fine... I have NO problem with that. Just put some safety checks in place to limit the number of irresponsible assholes from getting a hold of one.
And if we are going to compare guns and cars... let's at least place the constraints on them... licensing, registration, operators's licences, whatever.

I know people make that comparison too often ... Its not a good comparison unless one is being very careful how its used. Even then, there are probably better ways to make the point ... Conceded.