Bush's Gun Conference - will he be a pussy?
dunkman
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This was the twenty fourth school shooting of 2006 in the United States according to the National School Safety and Security Services.
The Bush administration has taken notice of the recent violent events in schools and plans to host a conference to discuss the matter.
he wont ban guns... but anyone think that there might be a bit more control placed on them... i was thinking about the admin process of owning a car, all those checks, tests, taxes, etc and yet getting and keeping a gun, at least in some states, is a 10minute job!
October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least six girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself
September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin
November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators
March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself
May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland
April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself
March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students
February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan
November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico
May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia
April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado
June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon
April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania
March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas
December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky
October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others
The Bush administration has taken notice of the recent violent events in schools and plans to host a conference to discuss the matter.
he wont ban guns... but anyone think that there might be a bit more control placed on them... i was thinking about the admin process of owning a car, all those checks, tests, taxes, etc and yet getting and keeping a gun, at least in some states, is a 10minute job!
October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least six girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself
September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin
November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators
March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself
May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland
April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself
March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students
February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan
November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico
May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia
April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado
June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon
April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania
March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas
December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky
October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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Problem solved or at least reduced immediately.
Fair enough. The problem is there are so many unregistered guns out there.
Note: tongue firmly in cheek.
"Next to tara* school shootings is the scarriest thing for families right now. Now a lot of people would like to restrict guns. But all that does is take guns away from the good guys, while the bad guys continue to be armed. So the solution is pretty obvious. Some of you remember the Cold War. We and the Soviets had missles pointing at each other--and we were arch enemies--yet nobody fired. That is called mutually obscured destruction. Nobod...what Karl? Oh, sorry. Mutually assured destruction. Anyway, nobody would fire because they knew both sides would be equally decimated. The same thing applies to schools. If all of the students are armed, school shooters will think twice before opening fire, because there will be dozens of students firing back at them. Therefore, I intend to ammend No Child Left Behind to include gun safety courses at the elementary school level. At the middle school and high school levels, students will be encouraged to carry guns at all times and mutually assured destruction should prevent the destruction that we have grown all to accostomed to seeing at our schools."
*That means terror
LOL!
That sounds straight out of the Daily Show. Maybe you should send your resume?
Yeah, hilarious. With the exception of the car comment, your tongue in cheek post actually sounds somewhat logical.
I take it you agree 100% with the NRA mantra??? Pull the stick out of your ass and realize the ribbing was for the knee-jerk gun rights advocates.
For the record, I am not in favor of banning hand guns in this country. It's much too late in the game for that. I'm all for making it difficult to own one though. I think a hand gun safety class should be federal law. I think automatic weapons should be absolutely banned to the general public, no questions asked. For that matter most assault weapons of any kind. There are too many unstable people in this country with the kind of weapons needed to take down a bunch of people quickly, like the handguns with large clips and assault weapons.
I don't own a gun but I don't have a problem with responsible adults owning one. I used to hunt as a child. Don't see a problem with that. So don't be so sensitive.
And let it be known I don't ache to make light of tragedies, which is what this is, a tragedy. There are things we can do to help fix this. Throwing more money at security alone is not the answer.
problem is we probably wont have to wait too long though...
and my diatribe is aimed at saving some lives... it appears others are arguing with that view and yet i'm the one with the diatribe
There is one problem with banning guns here in the US and that's the first amendment of the Constitution. It would take more than Bush to ban guns due to the process of changing a constitutional amendment especially one of the Bill of Rights. It would take years but it would save some lives. Handguns were not used in all US school shootings so it would take more than just banning handguns but it would be a start.
no... but then i dont think we had any prior to 1996 anyway.... it was a one-off murder spree!
edit: also on your second point, i agree... but considering the paperwork, admin, licences, tests, legislation, etc etc to actually just run a car then compare that to the ease of owning a gun... it seems moronic!!
all those criteria for a car, but you can buy a gun in some states in under 10 minutes!!! seems like madness!!
In order for you to buy a gun, in most cases, you need a state issued ID, you guessed it... A DRIVER'S LICENSE!
So not only do you have to be able to drive a car and go through all that training, licensing, paerwork, Ect. But then you have to go through the paperwork and background check to purchase the gun. It's not as easy as you make it out to be.
Empty reactionary flatulence in it's full splendour! 2,500 years of rational thinking to arrive at this? Scary!
2nd ammendment.
keywords in your post being "in most cases"... there is no national guideline is there, its all state based and therefore i was basing my gripe on how easy it is in those states!!!
see Hippiemom's posts about Ohio... 10 minutes and you have a gun.. thats frightening.
it takes, 2 seperate tests (1 practical and 1 theory) just to be allowed to drive a car... does anyone even conduct a sight test on people buying a gun just to make sure they arent 80% blind and therefore might shoot their wife if she comes in to the bedroom one night at 3.00am after falling asleep on the couch*
* this has happened!
i'm not caliming to know much about the whole amendment malarkey but if its an amendment then cant it be amended again?
There are always talks about ammending the constitution for one reason or another. Everything from balanced budged ammendments to flag burning ammendments. While it is possible to ammend our constitution, it has been done very rarely, and takes a great deal of popular support. The gun issue is one which divides people here pretty passionately.
Passing laws to tighten gun sales and registration is politically tough but certainly possible. Creating an ammendment or altering our Bill of Rights to ban guns is politically naive. It simply won't happen.
As far as the "amendment malarkey" goes, the Bill of Rights is made up of the first 10 ammendments to our constitution. They were passed right after our constitution was ratified as a way of explicitly limiting federal power and protecting the individual. Founders feared (and rightly so) that without the explicit declarations protecting individual rights that the feds would not be restrained enough. These rights included issues of speech, the press, ability to practice different religions, right to bear arm, limiting ability of gov't to enter or search your property, limiting the feds power over states, right to a trial by jury, etc.. Turns out they were right, as day by day in this country our rights are eroded. Most people here have no desire to open the Bill of Rights to modification at this point. I wouldn't trust our current executive or legislative branches to rewrite any part of our constitution.
The only contributions you typically make to this forum involve comparisons of people's posts to various bodily functions. Yet apparently I'm the one with the problem.
Do a google search on "defense mechanism: projection".
Report back on what you've learned. Don't worry, my expectations aren't real high.
I've only just read your post and I laughed out loud. "defense mechanism: projection" - what have I learned? I learnt about 15 years ago that 99% of psychology is the art of stating the obvious, and that the study of 'Psychology' itself is to a large degree a 'defense mechanism' against open mindedness and the mystery of consciousness. I also learnt that people who resort to such simplistic notions of human behaviour as found in psychology textbooks tend themselves to be a bit simple.
However, what this has to do with my calling you to account for stating that "[Us?] people probably sit around and wait for the next school shooting, just so [we] can come here and post [our] diatribes..." is beyond me.
P.s, you state above that your expectations aren't real high. Be careful! This could be construed as a lack of self esteem and the existence of acute depressive tendencies.
And also, your clinging to all things conservative and reactionary may be construed as being a form of repressed anxiety with origins in childhood potty training.
dude, you just blew up my skull.
Thanks George W.
"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
There were no "Assault Weapons" used in this shooting. It was a 9mm pistol, a shotgun, and a semi-automatic rifle. "Assault Weapons" are generally defined as 'military style' rifles and there is no mention of the type of semi-automatic rifle used.
Aside from that...
Renewing the "Assault Weapons Ban" would not have saved these girls. All the "Assault Weapons Ban" consisted of were cosmetic changes. The ban did nothing to alter the function of the firearm.
second/the 2nd ammendment was put in place so if the government was to become a corrupt dictatorship the people would have a means to fight back(wich if you have a clue about whats happining in this country,we are there)
third / it was a hell of a lot easier to get a gun 30 - 40 years ago,i mean you could walk in a store and buy anything and take it home right away!hmmmm...so why do we have so much violence taking place NOW?maybe you sheep are being Socially engineered(google it if you don't know what it means) via t.v./hollywood etc.,but also dumbed down at the same time so your too stupid to comprehend what they are doing to you.Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot confiscated all the guns (thats what registration is,a list they will use when they come to dissarm you,ask the law abiding citizens who had their guns taken from them by police & FEMA during Katrina,and left helpless against armed bandits!)gun confiscation is a precursor to genocide
you have been trained to dismiss logic and replace it with fear.quite a few of these school shootings are gov. black ops. designed to get you to willingly give up your guns (like Columbine).you can call me a conspiracy nut,it's what i expect from the uninformed morons who don't know shit about history or the present.Patrick Henrey said "the differnce between a citizen and a slave is the right to bear arms."
Auschwitz is full of the bones of people who gave up there guns.
Just remember tyrants,rapists,robbers and sickoes NEVER prey on an ARMED target!!!
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
And there was I thinking that Timothy McVeigh had been executed?
I think the major problem in America is not the gun laws (or lack thereof). I think it's more a problem of education and socioeconomic inequality. I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but theres a great disparity between the haves and havenots in America. So i think the root of the problem would be to address these issues. You wouldn't be attacked by 'tyrants, rapists, robbers and sickos' if there were no 'tyrants, rapists, robbers and sickos' to begin with. However, i still believe that guns are a serious problem and they're use should be highly regulated and well monitored, which to my understanding isn't what's going on in the states. Well, not in all states anyway.
This post should have a thread all of it's own. I could happily spend years trying to get to the bottom of it.