The Drugs you drink, smoke, and eat.

upina2001

I have smoked pot about everyday since 97, and have not been in an accident or been caught speeding. I usually drive about 7 to 12 over the limit. I did, however, get pulled over for "rolling thru a stop sign" on 4th of July years ago with a 1/2 lb of pot sitting in my bookbag on the floorboard of my car. And was I arrested?? No. You know why? Its cause I wasnt stupid. I respected the officer, and didnt give him any shit. NOW, a STUPID PERSON would have gone to jail.
Granted, I dont have Dead stickers on my car; I cut my hair; I drive a nice car; I can speak in complete sentences while stoned; & i dont look like your "normal" pot smoker.

spiral out

Binaural wrote:

1 - You ever smoked weed?
2 - Are you a doctor that can make that kind of statement about your nieghbour?




PEACE

Yep smoked for a good few years now, although i only toke occasionally now.

I am not against the use of the drug, just people saying that there are no negative side affects to it's use, because there clearly are, for some people.

Are you seriously telling me that if someone you knew sat and told you stories like that that you wouldn't think they were mentally ill?

norm

spiral out wrote:

Yep smoked for a good few years now, although i only toke occasionally now.

I am not against the use of the drug, just people saying that there are no negative side affects to it's use, because there clearly are.

Are you seriously telling me that if someone you knew sat and told you stories like that that you wouldn't think they were mentally ill?

That's just it - they're mentally ill. The weed just makes it worse.

upina2001

dont we all have something "mental" about us?

Binaural

spiral out wrote:

Yep smoked for a good few years now, although i only toke occasionally now.

I am not against the use of the drug, just people saying that there are no negative side affects to it's use, because there clearly are, for some people.

Are you seriously telling me that if someone you knew sat and told you stories like that that you wouldn't think they were mentally ill?

I have given none of my opinion yet, I'm not 'seriously telling' you anything. I wanted to know whether or not you toked so as to know how credible your opinion is, ie. if you hadn't ever smoked it your knowledge of it would not be very sound.
Now as for your nieghbour, it sounds like you are exaggerating wildly. You aren't (I pressume) a doctor and so to say that it made her 'ten time worse' (though you weren't speaking literaly) is ridiculous. In order to have those kind of problems, to have serious, paranoia etc you would have to toke heavily, daily and for around a decade or two, there are various studies showing this, it's the same with the whole coke arguement. Sure it's not great for you but to do the kind of damage they say, you would have to consume industrial amounts of the stuff.




PEACE

drew2420

spiral out wrote:

Look regardless of weather they are addicted habitually or not is not the point. The point is that they are addicted and it can have negative conotations on your life just like any other addiction, and i think people should be aware of the bad side to using it as well as the good.

It's the whole pot is good alchol is bad argument, but the truth is they both have there good and bad points.

I really highly doubt that these people are all that addicted. Sure anything that bring pleasure or fun can be addicting mentally. I've been addicted to all kinds of things growing up such as video games and music, but that doesnt mean I couldnt break the habit. Thats basically what it is, a simple habbit. Once you smoke for a while your so use to doing it that it becomes normal. The thing with pot though is that you dont get sick and start sweating like serious addictions. I'm sorry but if you cant stop smoking pot for a few days than you have bigger issues in life. Its likely their life isnt going all that great and their blaming it on their marijuana habbit. It's like when people blame marijuana for being lazy, most people are just lazy in general. If your gonna be lazy your gonna be lazy, pot or no pot.

drew2420

spiral out wrote:

Yep smoked for a good few years now, although i only toke occasionally now.

I am not against the use of the drug, just people saying that there are no negative side affects to it's use, because there clearly are, for some people.

Are you seriously telling me that if someone you knew sat and told you stories like that that you wouldn't think they were mentally ill?

Pretty much anything can be abused, Sex, food, caffeine, alcohol, pot, video games, you name it. And with that abuse probably comes negative side affects of some kind. So once again it just comes down to being responsible, which the government loves to think we cant be.

RockinInCanada

upina2001 wrote:

Stupid people will be stupid regardless. They can be drunk, sober, stoned, wasted, high, trashed, comatosed...etc.. ...
Give a stupid person a gun, and I bet they do something stupid. Stupid people will be stupid.

That is so true....it is in the hands of the user....ultimately many things have be done high others drunk....its the individual that will define how "bad" something is....still will say marijuana is less dangerous, on a whole, than alcohol...everyone is different...and so are ones experiences therefore making this arguement so diffuicult which leads to a variety of discussion....

Rats of Multa

the calendar part was the most interesting part -- alludes to a strain of history where paganism and general "earth-sciences" were condemned as "evil" for overtly political ends, namely corruption and fascist domination, and unfortuatly such practices have yet to be drug [;)] into the open and reformed in terms of overall social-perceptions.

there is no doubt that legalizing marijuana poses the threat that its side-effects and cases of abuse may grow, but there is certainly also no denying that alcohol is exponentially worse on individuals and societies, regardless of presupposed "responsibility"--the issue is chemical and therefore demonstrable.

this entire situation infers the total break-down of america's legal system and claims to justice, liberty, freedom, and democracy, and the fact that there has yet to be any truly mature discussion of such FACTS on any american media-network says to me that none of these so-called "rights" actually exist in the united-states-of-america.

does anyone else think we need a new flag?--hey, at least it's a start!

onelongsong

let's get it right. the drug act of 1937 made drugs illegal when alcohol became legal again because j edgar's boys needed something to do. alcohol is as adictive as tobacco. anything is excess is bad for you.

spiral out

drew2420 wrote:

I really highly doubt that these people are all that addicted. Sure anything that bring pleasure or fun can be addicting mentally. I've been addicted to all kinds of things growing up such as video games and music, but that doesnt mean I couldnt break the habit. Thats basically what it is, a simple habbit. Once you smoke for a while your so use to doing it that it becomes normal. The thing with pot though is that you dont get sick and start sweating like serious addictions. I'm sorry but if you cant stop smoking pot for a few days than you have bigger issues in life. Its likely their life isnt going all that great and their blaming it on their marijuana habbit. It's like when people blame marijuana for being lazy, most people are just lazy in general. If your gonna be lazy your gonna be lazy, pot or no pot.

So we can both agree that the prolonged use of marajuna can exaggerate your negative traits then, thank you.

What about people who had never showed any signs of being paranoid but when they smoke they get paranoid but if they stay away from it they are fine? Is that not a nagative towards the use of pot?

Stella

i had an ex who died from heart failure due to too much THC. And whilst physiological addiction has not been proved, empirical evidence has not dissproved it either. And who is to say that physical dependence is worse than psychological dependence and social/habitual dependence.

With psychological dependence and social/habitual dependence, you still suffer withdrawals... you still suffer from one of the three criteria of tolerance and that is the behavioural conditioning mechanism: Cues associated with the drug (friends you smoke up with, a certain place you smoke, baking brownies..) can function as conditioned stimuli and elicit a conditioned response (a craving..)

all very interesting.

drew2420

spiral out wrote:

So we can both agree that the prolonged use of marajuna can exaggerate your negative traits then, thank you.

What about people who had never showed any signs of being paranoid but when they smoke they get paranoid but if they stay away from it they are fine? Is that not a nagative towards the use of pot?

I wouldnt say prolonged use of marijuana exagerates your negative traits, its abusing marijuana. I've talked to people who have smoked for 30+ years and they have never had problems because they were responsible. What I mean by abusing it is waking up and smoking everyday and throughout the course of the day after that. If your constantly high or wishing you were high because your coming down from the last high and feeling sluggish, thats what i would call abusing marijuana, if your doing that everyday. And as for people who get paranoid on marijuana, well it may be that marijuana truly isnt for everyone. some people cant handle the higher conciuousness, their thoughts begin to freak them out. Maybe they are scared of true reality. The biggest thing i have learned about marijuana is that its often not a social drug such as alcohol. Unless your around good friends or other smokers its probably likely you will have anxiety and paranoid feelings around strangers and unfamilair situations. So again its about being responsible and knowing when to smoke and where to smoke.

Pearl Jam and toast

Stella wrote:

i had an ex who died from heart failure due to too much THC. And whilst physiological addiction has not been proved, empirical evidence has not dissproved it either. And who is to say that physical dependence is worse than psychological dependence and social/habitual dependence.

With psychological dependence and social/habitual dependence, you still suffer withdrawals... you still suffer from one of the three criteria of tolerance and that is the behavioural conditioning mechanism: Cues associated with the drug (friends you smoke up with, a certain place you smoke, baking brownies..) can function as conditioned stimuli and elicit a conditioned response (a craving..)

all very interesting.

for that to happen your ex would need to have pre-existing serioussssssssssssssly fucked up heart problems.

I like the second paragraph.

Stella

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

for that to happen your ex would need to have pre-existing serioussssssssssssssly fucked up heart problems.

I like the second paragraph.

Yes, seriously fucked heart problems previously no doubt.. although i did hear friends of mine say he smoked 18 cones in one hour. *not being into myself, i dont know if that's normal, but it sure sounds like a lot to me! either that or the doc doing the autopsy was on crack

But back to the topic, .. i guess chocolate is a drug.. it acts on the brain's endorphin system, releasing endorphines is rewarding to your body. Chocolate is my drug!

Now gambling isn't a drug, but that's my favourite addiction. Bring on the Black Jack i say.

Pearl Jam and toast

Stella wrote:

Yes, seriously fucked heart problems previously no doubt.. although i did hear friends of mine say he smoked 18 cones in one hour. *not being into myself, i dont know if that's normal, but it sure sounds like a lot to me! either that or the doc doing the autopsy was on crack

But back to the topic, .. i guess chocolate is a drug.. it acts on the brain's endorphin system, releasing endorphines is rewarding to your body. Chocolate is my drug!

Now gambling isn't a drug, but that's my favourite addiction. Bring on the Black Jack i say.

And lactase is chemically almost identical to Morphine. Did you know that all of us who consume milk products are literally, physically addicted to it to an extent?