PM Harper: "Liberal Candidates Anti-Israel"

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edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
Harper: most Liberal candidates anti-Israel






TORONTO (CP) — Prime Minister Stephen Harper says most of the candidates vying for the leadership of the Liberal party are anti-Israel.

Harper says a comment that Israel had perpetrated a “war crime“ with its attack on Lebanon typifies that sentiment.

That comment came from Liberal front-runner Michael Ignatieff, sparking his campaign co-chair to resign in protest this week.

But Harper says the war-crime view is consistent with the anti-Israeli position taken by, “virtually all” the Liberal candidates.

He also called the accusation against Israel a “serious charge.”

Harper made a point of saying he doesn’t support that view.

“I don’t think it’s helpful or useful,” he said


Now our leader as resorted to the anti-Israel labelling for any discussion putting Israel in ill favour....a serious gaf by the leading candidate no doubt but an equally stupid retort by the PM......
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    It's just politics. Just kicking that Liberal dog while it's down. He had the good fortune for the NDP to kick themselves at their recent convention.

    Does Bob Rare even have a platform that hes running on? I truely think he's running for a leadership position without having a stated position on anything. It's an interesting approach to leadership. Not one I'd ever vote for.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Harper is an idiot
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Harper is an idiot
    He may be an idiot but he's still the best leader to choose from from the major Canadian parties.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    He may be an idiot but he's still the best leader to choose from from the major Canadian parties.

    I'd rather have Connie Fogal or Jack Layton
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'd rather have Connie Fogal or Jack Layton
    Layton, you must be joking. He didn't say a word when people within his own party called the Canadian military terrorists. Any respect I had for him was pretty much forever lost at that point. Expecially when it's referring to a military on a mission he gave his approval on.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Layton, you must be joking. He didn't say a word when people within his own party called the Canadian military terrorists. Any respect I had for him was pretty much forever lost at that point. Expecially when it's referring to a military on a mission he gave his approval on.

    Oh well, big deal, Harper is calling Liberals anti-semites. It's all bullshit man. At least his platform doesn't include banning gay marriage, abortion and cooperating with the AU. Harper wanted to build a firewall around Alberta, essentially excluding it from federal law.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    One of Harper's dudes named Stockwell Day said Yassir Arrafat died of AIDS because it was God's punishment for him being homosexual. Arrafat didn't die of AIDS, just goes to show how smart Harper is to have idiots like Stockwell Day in his party.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    surferdude wrote:
    He may be an idiot but he's still the best leader to choose from from the major Canadian parties.

    Agreed. I like some NDP policies, but Jack Layton is a tool. So is Ignatieff. The guy talked out of his ass and pissed off people in his own party. Now he gets to suffer the political consequences.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    One of Harper's dudes named Stockwell Day said Yassir Arrafat died of AIDS because it was God's punishment for him being homosexual. Arrafat didn't die of AIDS, just goes to show how smart Harper is to have idiots like Stockwell Day in his party.

    Do you have a source for that? Quite frankly, it sounds made up.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    surferdude wrote:
    He didn't say a word when people within his own party called the Canadian military terrorists.


    The party has some good ideas, but its full of ignorant fuckwads. This sort of thing is why I can't really give them my full support.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Do you have a source for that? Quite frankly, it sounds made up.

    Here is one article on it, not a very good source though http://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/5413

    Back before our last election I investigated all the parties and the people in the parties because I had never voted before and wanted to make a good vote. I learned a lot of shit man, I even saw the email this article talks about. I'd have to keep searching to find a more credible source, but they are there.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    The party has some good ideas, but its full of ignorant fuckwads. This sort of thing is why I can't really give them my full support.
    I'm kinda in the same boat. Some of their policies I really lack but there just seems to be a continual lack of leadership coming from within the party.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • TORONTO (CP) - Liberal leadership candidate Michael Ignatieff slammed the prime minister today over claims that the Liberal party harbours anti-Israel views.

    In a hard-hitting speech in Toronto, Ignatieff called Harper's recent comments a "disgrace" for a man supposed to represent all Canadians.

    Ignatieff came under fire earlier this week after saying that last summer's bombing of a Lebanese village by Israel was a war crime. That prompted the prime minister to claim that many of the Liberal leadership candidates were anti-Israel.

    Ignatieff today called what happened in the village a tragedy, and said international bodies must determine whether a war crime was committed.

    He also said war crimes were committed by both sides during the summer conflict.

    Ignatieff accused Harper of blindly pursuing a right-wing ideology, and of weakening Canada's ability to help broker peace in the Mideast


    Good for him....don't let the likes of Harper slander you....Harper using the quintessential "right" arguement....that is anything against Israel means instantly you are anti-Israel.....sick of that arguement.....I give Ignatieff credit for slamming BOTH sides while our PM sticks to one side....
  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    Harper is taking every que from the evangelical far right wing Bush republicans. Nothing he says holds any weight. This is just proof of his depth of wisdom and character. The man is a joke as our PM.

    He is clearly trying to divide canada. Will it work?. I dunno, because i can't trust election results now from our government that totaly admires an administration that fucks with the people's votes and tricks them into illegal wars, ect ect ect.
    Democracy at risk here in canada.
    am i wrong?
    time always resides in my corner
    so we will see.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • not4u wrote:
    Harper is taking every que from the evangelical far right wing Bush republicans. Nothing he says holds any weight. This is just proof of his depth of wisdom and character. The man is a joke as our PM.

    You know what is a joke...is the Defence of Religion Act.....the most absurd piece of law I have seen....a guaranteed knock to their support...talk about taking the seperation of church and state and throwing it in the junker.....
  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    You know what is a joke...is the Defence of Religion Act.....the most absurd piece of law I have seen....a guaranteed knock to their support...talk about taking the seperation of church and state and throwing it in the junker.....

    i was gunna mention that but i thought i would come up in another thread ;).
    Its all about revenge. Revenge against homosexuals. If gays can get married then(goes against everything jesus has taught) Chritians will have the right to legally speak hatefully about them in public. Whats next? KKK public hate speaking rights. Harper is a PiG. More than that, a very Bad Man.
    I am ashamed.
    Lets not forget about his clear air act bullshit that has nothing to do with greenhouse gasses. Lets not forget about the evangelicals invading our parliment at question period. HAVE YOU SEEN BAIRD!? its like he is giving an angry sermon and every other party is the devil!, it is him who defends what goes against his very religion. I think Monte Solberg, Baird, McKay, Harper, Kenny ect ect have gotten jesus mixed up with Satan. They all learned it from NeoCon Tom Flannagan when the NeoCon Americans sent him over to search for and then take Harper as his apprentice.

    here is alittle bio on Harper
    http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics/article.jsp?content=20050509_105134_105134
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Canadian politics is all about labels these days ... Small wonder nothing ever changes for the better, really.
  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    Canadian politics is all about labels these days ... Small wonder nothing ever changes for the better, really.

    labels? far from it these days my friend. Labels are being used now to misleadingly educate those who only pop thier heads into polotics now and then. The Soundbyte Syndrome is destroying Canada. Harper uses this as a hypnotic political war tactic.
    and Its getting worse.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    not4u wrote:
    labels? far from it these days my friend.
    right now, its getting worse.

    What do you mean, far from it? If by getting worse you mean the namecalling and rhetoric from all sides of the political spectrum, then I agree. Harper and his anti-Israel labels is but one example.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    not4u wrote:
    labels? far from it these days my friend. Labels are being used now to misleadingly educate those who only pop thier heads into polotics now and then. The Soundbyte Syndrome is destroying Canada. Harper uses this as a war tactic.
    and Its getting worse.

    Your paranoia about Harper isn't convincing me. His opponents are just as bad. He's a symptom of a broader problem, not the cause.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Harper is pro-Israel. He says so himself.

    What we really need is people that aren't polarized. We need people that are Nuetral-Israel.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Harper is pro-Israel. He says so himself.

    What we really need is people that aren't polarized. We need people that are Nuetral-Israel.

    So the Liberals are out then, as well.
    At least, some of them. Guys like Bob Rae have actually tried to show an unbiased stance. Ignatieff's stance on Israel is clearly as polarized as Harpers'.
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Harper is pro-Israel. He says so himself.

    What we really need is people that aren't polarized. We need people that are Nuetral-Israel.

    Right, like the U.S. is when they broker deals between Israel and the Palestinians at Camp David.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    So the Liberals are out then, as well.
    At least, some of them. Guys like Bob Rae have actually tried to show an unbiased stance. Ignatieff's stance on Israel is clearly as polarized as Harpers'.

    I heard Ignatieff on CBC Radio One just a few minutes ago. He says he stands behind Israel, he's just critical of the particular Qana incident.

    I don't care though. I'm sick of hearing about Israel this and that. No one takes a Pro-Palestine stance or they aren't in politics. Our country is totally bias towards Israel.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    Your paranoia about Harper isn't convincing me. His opponents are just as bad. He's a symptom of a broader problem, not the cause.

    Harper is the noslehead of the funnel allowing the broader problem to seek in.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I heard Ignatieff on CBC Radio One just a few minutes ago. He says he stands behind Israel, he's just critical of the particular Qana incident.

    I don't care though. I'm sick of hearing about Israel this and that. No one takes a Pro-Palestine stance or they aren't in politics. Our country is totally bias towards Israel.

    I don't buy it ... All you here about here is our large population of Lebanese (are they Lebanese, or are they Canadians? Seems to depend on the level of warfare in Lebanon), and there has been no shortage of criticism of the Israeli bombing (as well there should be).

    As for a pro-Palestine stance ... Such a thing would be more palatable if they stopped using certain tactics ... That's a different topic, mind you. I think many Canadians are quite on the fence when it comes to that issue.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I don't buy it ... All you here about here is our large population of Lebanese (are they Lebanese, or are they Canadians? Seems to depend on the level of warfare in Lebanon), and there has been no shortage of criticism of the Israeli bombing (as well there should be).

    As for a pro-Palestine stance ... Such a thing would be more palatable if they stopped using certain tactics ... That's a different topic, mind you. I think many Canadians are quite on the fence when it comes to that issue.

    Dual-citizenship
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    harper is definitely governing out of the neo-con play book ... this clean air act and plan on climate change is proof of that ... just like bush's plan ... aimed to divert attention and do nothing ... its sad ... the country waited a year and is doing nothing about climate change for this "made in canada" plan ... well, its made in the USA ...

    anyways - its too bad harper couldn't rise above it ... and secondly, its too bad that we live in a country where a fact can have so many consequences ... lets face it here ... some acts israel committed in lebanon were most indeed a war crime ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out ... but it does take someone who isn't interested in politicking and is so blinded by nationality to see it ...

    anyhoo - i'm not a fan of ignatieff ... after watching portions of the debate yesterday ... i think the leader who can best assure transparency and accountability would be the best leader ...

    at the end of the day - the country is a liberal country in the way it votes ... all they have to do is not fraud the people and they will be in power ...
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    at the end of the day - the country is a liberal country in the way it votes ... all they have to do is not fraud the people and they will be in power ...

    Yes, and no ... Yes, we vote as a "liberal country" when compared to say, the U.S. Our right goes nearwhere near as far as theirs does. But we don't vote like hardcore communists either. I think its more accurate to say that most Canadians are quite centrist, with some deviations to the right and left depending on government performance.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Yes, and no ... Yes, we vote as a "liberal country" when compared to say, the U.S. Our right goes nearwhere near as far as theirs does. But we don't vote like hardcore communists either. I think its more accurate to say that most Canadians are quite centrist, with some deviations to the right and left depending on government performance.

    i guess it depends on where u see that centre line ... i consider the liberals centrist for canadians ... the conservatives used to be more centre-right when they were the progressive conservative ... but now, they are governing more right than centre for sure ...

    also: anyone read danny williams comments? ... now, that harper is renegging on a promise, he's now turning his support away ... i'm really surprised harper is not at least trying to accomodate more - i guess he feels he has his majority locked up ...
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