they have the power to monitor libraries or library computers and they would need some form of authorisation/warrant (i think) to do this.. there isnt a wholesale storing of all books borrowed by all libraries in the US... just as there isnt a national database that has Catcher in the Rye's barcode on it and it flashes every time someone called "Chapman' borrows it.
'But some librarians, who were meeting in Philadelphia for an American Library Association convention, worry that the FBI has returned to routinely checking on the reading habits of intellectuals, civil rights leaders and other Americans.
Those tactics, common in the 1950s and 1960s, were occasionally used to brand people as Communists.
"Some of this stuff is pretty scary, and we are very concerned that people's privacy is being violated," American Library Association President Maurice J. Freedman said.
Some 10,000 librarians from around the world were expected in Philadelphia for the association's midwinter meeting, which began Friday. The group will discuss the Patriot Act at a forum Sunday and is likely to draft a resolution condemning sections of the law that open library records to police inspection, Freedman said.
Judith Krug, director of the group's Office of Intellectual Freedom, said routine government inquiries into library records could have a chilling effect on patrons. For example, she said, some might be afraid to take out books on Islam out of fear that they might wind up on an FBI watch list.'
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
'But some librarians, who were meeting in Philadelphia for an American Library Association convention, worry that the FBI has returned to routinely checking on the reading habits of intellectuals, civil rights leaders and other Americans.
Those tactics, common in the 1950s and 1960s, were occasionally used to brand people as Communists.
"Some of this stuff is pretty scary, and we are very concerned that people's privacy is being violated," American Library Association President Maurice J. Freedman said.
Some 10,000 librarians from around the world were expected in Philadelphia for the association's midwinter meeting, which began Friday. The group will discuss the Patriot Act at a forum Sunday and is likely to draft a resolution condemning sections of the law that open library records to police inspection, Freedman said.
Judith Krug, director of the group's Office of Intellectual Freedom, said routine government inquiries into library records could have a chilling effect on patrons. For example, she said, some might be afraid to take out books on Islam out of fear that they might wind up on an FBI watch list.'
10,000 librarians in Philadelphia... thats one fucker of a boring conference... and quiet as well
look Hells... i just find your "they are out to get me" thing a bit ridiculous... i dont care if they know what book i'm reading... neither does the vast majority of the general library going public... so you do care... but why? why care about mundaneness like this when today a few hundred children dies of starvation in Africa... its not even worth the comparison
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
10,000 librarians in Philadelphia... thats one fucker of a boring conference... and quiet as well
look Hells... i just find your "they are out to get me" thing a bit ridiculous... i dont care if they know what book i'm reading... neither does the vast majority of the general library going public... so you do care... but why? why care about mundaneness like this when today a few hundred children dies of starvation in Africa... its not even worth the comparison
Of course it is... it's all connected... look at all the money they're spending on monitoring people for something so 'ridiculous'. That's your money, my money, everyone's money. Do you think they would bother spending money on something so stupid if it didn't benefit them in some way? Why DON'T people care? You're the one being ridiculous
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Every computer transaction you make goes into a database, gets backed up, and is stored somewhere and can be recalled if needed.
Most likely in case a crime is committed...or for whatever reason these days. There's really no more rules on spying anymore.
Whether or not libraries are required to replicate this data regularly to a mainframe or central hub is another story. Otherwise a detective will have to go on site and request a print out, or be relayed staff login credentials to a web portal, or just be faxed the details directly.
Get on enough lists and people tend to watch more.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
10,000 librarians in Philadelphia... thats one fucker of a boring conference... and quiet as well
look Hells... i just find your "they are out to get me" thing a bit ridiculous... i dont care if they know what book i'm reading... neither does the vast majority of the general library going public... so you do care... but why? why care about mundaneness like this when today a few hundred children dies of starvation in Africa... its not even worth the comparison
become a notable political activist and let me know how it all works out for you.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
become a notable political activist and let me know how it all works out for you.
yes thats right, cos 99% of the general public are notable political activists... i forget that. :rolleyes:
i would roland, but 'activist' makes it sound like there is activity involved and I expel enough energy on my current daily life schedule... also politics are extremely mundane, as corrupt as the mafia and ultimately futile.
but thanks for the advice.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Of course it is... it's all connected... look at all the money they're spending on monitoring people for something so 'ridiculous'. That's your money, my money, everyone's money. Do you think they would bother spending money on something so stupid if it didn't benefit them in some way? Why DON'T people care? You're the one being ridiculous
they spend more money on staging fucking operas in Hyde Park that only 300 rich fuckers go and see.
there is government waste of money at every level... the actual cost attributed to the capturing of SUSPECTED CRIMINALS library records will be a infintesimal compared to what they spend on wars, MP expenses, security for the PM/President, etc.
people DONT care as it doesnt directly affect them... the old adage of "if i'm not doing something wrong then why care" is definitely true for the most part.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
they spend more money on staging fucking operas in Hyde Park that only 300 rich fuckers go and see.
there is government waste of money at every level... the actual cost attributed to the capturing of SUSPECTED CRIMINALS library records will be a infintesimal compared to what they spend on wars, MP expenses, security for the PM/President, etc.
people DONT care as it doesnt directly affect them... the old adage of "if i'm not doing something wrong then why care" is definitely true for the most part.
IT DOESNT directly affect them? Ah dunk... tis easy to tell you work for a government. And yes, that money most likely IS miniscule compared to wars, MP expenses, security, etc. but again, it's all connected. That's the part you're failing to see. They're able to do things like this usually BECAUSE of some 'war' or another and these MP's will CLAIM it's FOR security
If I'm not doing something wrong then why care? You must know how much that annoys me... it's the only possible reason you could keep using it
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
If I'm not doing something wrong then why care? You must know how much that annoys me... it's the only possible reason you could keep using it
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
yes thats right, cos 99% of the general public are notable political activists... i forget that. :rolleyes:
i would roland, but 'activist' makes it sound like there is activity involved and I expel enough energy on my current daily life schedule... also politics are extremely mundane, as corrupt as the mafia and ultimately futile.
but thanks for the advice.
Forest from the trees, it's not a fascist state at present. Once the framework is in place it's a slippery slope.
But you know that
...and we should all be complacent as slow but persistent changes are put in to place that diminish personal rights to privacy.
I think somewhere in history it's happened before...just maybe.....
nah...crazy talk...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0126-05.htm
'But some librarians, who were meeting in Philadelphia for an American Library Association convention, worry that the FBI has returned to routinely checking on the reading habits of intellectuals, civil rights leaders and other Americans.
Those tactics, common in the 1950s and 1960s, were occasionally used to brand people as Communists.
"Some of this stuff is pretty scary, and we are very concerned that people's privacy is being violated," American Library Association President Maurice J. Freedman said.
Some 10,000 librarians from around the world were expected in Philadelphia for the association's midwinter meeting, which began Friday. The group will discuss the Patriot Act at a forum Sunday and is likely to draft a resolution condemning sections of the law that open library records to police inspection, Freedman said.
Judith Krug, director of the group's Office of Intellectual Freedom, said routine government inquiries into library records could have a chilling effect on patrons. For example, she said, some might be afraid to take out books on Islam out of fear that they might wind up on an FBI watch list.'
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I do think it all goes back to taxes. If the government wasn't so fat and happy from stealing our money, they couldn't have this much control.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
10,000 librarians in Philadelphia... thats one fucker of a boring conference... and quiet as well
look Hells... i just find your "they are out to get me" thing a bit ridiculous... i dont care if they know what book i'm reading... neither does the vast majority of the general library going public... so you do care... but why? why care about mundaneness like this when today a few hundred children dies of starvation in Africa... its not even worth the comparison
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Most likely in case a crime is committed...or for whatever reason these days. There's really no more rules on spying anymore.
Whether or not libraries are required to replicate this data regularly to a mainframe or central hub is another story. Otherwise a detective will have to go on site and request a print out, or be relayed staff login credentials to a web portal, or just be faxed the details directly.
Get on enough lists and people tend to watch more.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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become a notable political activist and let me know how it all works out for you.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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yes thats right, cos 99% of the general public are notable political activists... i forget that. :rolleyes:
i would roland, but 'activist' makes it sound like there is activity involved and I expel enough energy on my current daily life schedule... also politics are extremely mundane, as corrupt as the mafia and ultimately futile.
but thanks for the advice.
they spend more money on staging fucking operas in Hyde Park that only 300 rich fuckers go and see.
there is government waste of money at every level... the actual cost attributed to the capturing of SUSPECTED CRIMINALS library records will be a infintesimal compared to what they spend on wars, MP expenses, security for the PM/President, etc.
people DONT care as it doesnt directly affect them... the old adage of "if i'm not doing something wrong then why care" is definitely true for the most part.
If I'm not doing something wrong then why care? You must know how much that annoys me... it's the only possible reason you could keep using it
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
nope it doesnt... not directly.. nobody even knows that their details have been stored (if they even are).
Forest from the trees, it's not a fascist state at present. Once the framework is in place it's a slippery slope.
But you know that
...and we should all be complacent as slow but persistent changes are put in to place that diminish personal rights to privacy.
I think somewhere in history it's happened before...just maybe.....
nah...crazy talk...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")