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Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
what the fuck are these people trying to do? How can this idea even be entertained by anyone?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL2060871620080520
LONDON (Reuters) - A massive government database which would store everybody's e-mails, Internet information, phone-calls and text messages is being considered to help security forces in the fight against crime and terrorism.

At the moment, records of phone-calls and text messages are kept up to 12 months by telecoms companies in compliance with an anti-terrorism European Union directive.

But a new Home Office proposal would see Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies handing over records containing billions of e-mails as well as Internet usage and voice-over-Internet calls, media reports said on Tuesday.

Police and security services would be able to have access to the information after seeking permission from the courts.

The Home Office said communication methods had changed rapidly during the past 15 years.

"The changes to the way we communicate, due particularly to the Internet revolution, will increasingly undermine our current capabilities to obtain communications data and use it to protect the public," it said in a statement.

"To ensure that our public authorities and law enforcement agencies can continue to use this valuable tool, the government is planning to bring forward the Communications Data Bill."

The draft bill is expected to be released later in the year, but the plan has yet to be discussed by ministers.

It is likely to raise concerns about civil liberties and data protection, especially after recent scandals including the loss of child benefits information

About 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated three billion e-mails are sent every day, The Times reported.

The government is already planning huge databases for the ID cards schemes and NHS patients' records.

(Reporting by Avril Ormsby; Editing by Steve Addison)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Yeah, :rolleyes: I've got time for terrorist activities. :rolleyes:

    It's the usual big brother bullshit masquerading as the war on terror again.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Another turn of the screw in the proposed new world order. How long are people going to remain in denial?

    You can't complain after all your rights are taken away...

    nothing to stand on.

    I'll insert the token "wake up" so the nay sayers can at least get some eyeball exercise..by rolling them... :rolleyes: repeat :rolleyes: repeat... :rolleyes: ....three more... ok ...all done. Good work.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled brain cleansing distractions....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    They are tightening there grip on us. But to be honest i don't think the majority will care until it's too late.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    spiral out wrote:
    They are tightening there grip on us. But to be honest i don't think the majority will care until it's too late.
    I agree completely... what the fuck is WRONG with people? :eek: :mad: I just don't understand.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    I agree completely... what the fuck is WRONG with people? :eek: :mad: I just don't understand.

    Willful ignorance. But really what can we do, if people don't want to give any thought to anything other than themselves.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    yes but thankfully due to the blissful incompetance of government even though they have information on you they mostly will be to ignorant or lazy to really give a shit.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yes but thankfully due to the blissful incompetance of government even though they have information on you they mostly will be to ignorant or lazy to really give a shit.
    :D good point.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yes but thankfully due to the blissful incompetance of government even though they have information on you they mostly will be to ignorant or lazy to really give a shit.

    And let's not forget how good they are at misfiling and losing stuff! :D
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    I agree completely... what the fuck is WRONG with people? :eek: :mad: I just don't understand.


    We all have to be brave an patriotic and remain loyal to those that continue to drown us slowly while protecting us from our fears.

    the link in my sig explains it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    1984 - the inevitable future.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    It's the only way Brown can assert his authority, these days:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ba7glghZ4w
  • jbalicki10jbalicki10 Posts: 517
    This is a joke. A national id card is not in the near future. The government has not bought any new dasd to cover this for their mainframes. They have not signed any new contracts lately for DB2 or Hardware from IBM. DB2 is the only database that can handle all those records. It is what the government uses to store SSN, Tax records, etc....

    debunked.
  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    This is a joke. A national id card is not in the near future. The government has not bought any new dasd to cover this for their mainframes. They have not signed any new contracts lately for DB2 or Hardware from IBM. DB2 is the only database that can handle all those records. It is what the government uses to store SSN, Tax records, etc....

    debunked.

    They have social security numbers in the UK?

    This is pretty scary for you guys over there. At least your gov't seems somewhat transparent and is at least telling you about it.
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

    "Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yeah, :rolleyes: I've got time for terrorist activities. :rolleyes:

    It's the usual big brother bullshit masquerading as the war on terror again.



    :D
    is it wrong that your first sentence so made me laugh?



    privacy has been erroding at an ever quicker pace...and probably moreso than any of us even realize. we volunarily give up much by doing something as innocuous as using a credit card! and it's just so damn convenient, we continue to do so. it IS a scary 1984 world to imagine all of *this* though! :eek: the 'war on terror' seems more like a war on ALL, period. nothing accomplished but damage, death and more disaster.....


    and this:
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yes but thankfully due to the blissful incompetance of government even though they have information on you they mostly will be to ignorant or lazy to really give a shit.



    REALLY made me laugh. so thanks again.....:p too true eh? one can only hope for the continued incompetence of their government for certain things, anyway...
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    decides2dream wrote:
    : D
    is it wrong that your first sentence so made me laugh?

    Well I don't think so :D but I'm pretty sure ASIO is bugging my phone and tracking my computer and it's only a matter of time before I'm bending over for an anal probe at Gitmo! :p;) . I mean we even have laws here saying you can't even mention the word terrorist or bomb at the airport or it'll land you in jail. :rolleyes: You know because the terrorists are there all the time making public service announcements about their intentions!! :rolleyes:
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    This sort of makes me think that our future will be something like from that movie *V FOR VENDETTA*

    People should not be afraid of their governments.
    Governments should be afraid of their people.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    decides2dream wrote:
    :D
    is it wrong that your first sentence so made me laugh?



    privacy has been erroding at an ever quicker pace...and probably moreso than any of us even realize. we volunarily give up much by doing something as innocuous as using a credit card! and it's just so damn convenient, we continue to do so.
    Oh don't get me started :eek: wait til they bring out the microchip... and everyone will think 'oh my god, that's fantastic, I just get this chip inserted in my shoulder and I don't even NEED a credit card or a bank card' :( it makes me wanna cry. I don't have a credit card... I have an ATM card but that's about as far as it goes. I refuse to discuss anything serious on t'internet or even on the phone... cos who the fuck knows what they're watching or what decisions they may come to themselves... or even if they need a fall guy for something, they're bound to find SOMETHING you've said in the past... I mean how many of us have said something like 'oh my god, I could strangle him'. Then suddenly 'he' ends up strangled and we're right up to our ears in it.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    ^^^^ No microchip for me. Someone can shoot me first because I won't get one.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    This is a joke. A national id card is not in the near future. The government has not bought any new dasd to cover this for their mainframes. They have not signed any new contracts lately for DB2 or Hardware from IBM. DB2 is the only database that can handle all those records. It is what the government uses to store SSN, Tax records, etc....

    debunked.



    Can you put some more information to back that up so people can put 2c to what you're saying?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    You know, it's the people of America that are to blame. They allowed the government to go this far. They brought it upon themselves, and now it's too late to do anything about it because people are too freaking caught up in their lives and they don't want to lose anything to fight for their rights. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    decides2dream wrote:
    :D
    is it wrong that your first sentence so made me laugh?



    privacy has been erroding at an ever quicker pace...and probably moreso than any of us even realize. we volunarily give up much by doing something as innocuous as using a credit card! and it's just so damn convenient, we continue to do so. it IS a scary 1984 world to imagine all of *this* though! :eek: the 'war on terror' seems more like a war on ALL, period. nothing accomplished but damage, death and more disaster.....


    and this:





    REALLY made me laugh. so thanks again.....:p too true eh? one can only hope for the continued incompetence of their government for certain things, anyway...
    Wow! I like you so far!
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    JaneNY wrote:
    ^^^^ No microchip for me. Someone can shoot me first because I won't get one.

    What happens if a company that you may work for tells you have to have one for security or just to monitor you? It could also be given to you like a drug test in order to be employed by that company, what do you do then?

    If we continue to have Presidents like GWB, I don't see that as an impossibility. If it does happen Amsterdam here I come.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    g under p wrote:
    What happens if a company that you may work for tells you have to have one for security or just to monitor you? It could also be given to you like a drug test in order to be employed by that company, what do you do then?
    Go on welfare :) . Although in fairness, a mobile phone is halfway towards being a microchip anyway... records all your movements and phone conversations.

    As for ID cards :eek: who the fuck do they think we are?
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Oh don't get me started :eek: wait til they bring out the microchip... and everyone will think 'oh my god, that's fantastic, I just get this chip inserted in my shoulder and I don't even NEED a credit card or a bank card' :( it makes me wanna cry. I don't have a credit card... I have an ATM card but that's about as far as it goes. I refuse to discuss anything serious on t'internet or even on the phone... cos who the fuck knows what they're watching or what decisions they may come to themselves... or even if they need a fall guy for something, they're bound to find SOMETHING you've said in the past... I mean how many of us have said something like 'oh my god, I could strangle him'. Then suddenly 'he' ends up strangled and we're right up to our ears in it.

    I do wonder at what point people will start actually taking notice of what is going on around them.

    Hell i wonder if they will ever say enough is enough.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    spiral out wrote:
    I do wonder at what point people will start actually taking notice of what is going on around them.

    Hell i wonder if they will ever say enough is enough.
    Doubtful :o I don't know what it is but some people see stuff like this clearly... others think we're nuts and they probably alway will. Of course both types of people think we're completely right and it's the others who are nuts :o . TBH I'd much rather that they're right in this case.

    I think we need a revolution of some sort :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    As for ID cards :eek: who the fuck do they think we are?

    Hooray for Belgium! We're number one!
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Collin wrote:
    Hooray for Belgium! We're number one!
    :eek: Ya wanna come live in the mountains with me? How are people reacting to that over there?
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :eek: Ya wanna come live in the mountains with me? How are people reacting to that over there?

    I'd love to live in the mountains with you :D

    I haven't seen or heard much protest. We've always had an identity card, so it's really not that different. Since I got it I only had to put it into one of those readers once and that was to see if it worked and to change the personal identification number if I wanted to.

    I've had to show it to the police twice and they didn't use a reader.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Collin wrote:
    I'd love to live in the mountains with you :D

    I haven't seen or heard much protest. We've always had an identity card, so it's really not that different. Since I got it I only had to put it into one of those readers once and that was to see if it worked and to change the personal identification number if I wanted to.

    I've had to show it to the police twice and they didn't use a reader.
    it really is terrifying how people just accept these things :o

    Yay, we can be like the von trapps... only without the kids :D and the singing :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    it really is terrifying how people just accept these things :o

    Yay, we can be like the von trapps... only without the kids :D and the singing :D

    Just beer and partying, eh?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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