There would be NO wars if people refused to fight!

stickfig13

Heineken Helen wrote:

I don't care why they really eliminated the draft... I just can't believe people could be so stupid with their 'oh our poor boys out fighting for ME' bullshit :mad: It almost makes me wanna punch someone

Like I said Bush ain't in Iraq... one man can't possibly be to blame for all this. One man? How whipped ARE americans these days that one man could just say 'right, all you over to Iraq now... and kill some goddamn arabians' and everyone will just say 'sir, yes sir' and then cry on the phone to their mommy about how the big bad man MADE them drop the bomb on the wedding... or shoot the kid. We're ALL responsible for our individual actions, the nazi's too were following orders. Soldiers are supposed to be MEN (or women) so why can't they BE fucking men. If all the soldiers supposedly against this war dropped their arms, there wouldn't be enough prisons in the world for them.

Read "Eichmann in Jerusalem, a report on the banality of evil"..... It will answer you questions

cornnifer

Now THERE'S a profound statement. "There would be NO wars if people refused to fight!"

There would also be no dogshit on my lawn if people refused to let their dog shit in my yard.

There would be no litter if people refused to throw garbage on the ground.

There would be no daylight if there were no sun.

cornnifer

cornnifer wrote:

Now THERE'S a profound statement. "There would be NO wars if people refused to fight!"

There would also be no dogshit on my lawn if people refused to let their dog shit in my yard.

There would be no litter if people refused to throw garbage on the ground.

There would be no daylight if there were no sun.

O.k. Maybe i'm being a dick. Sorry. Sincerely.

DriftingByTheStorm

macgyver06 wrote:

that source is unacceptable and is not wise to use as reference here or anywhere on earth.

It actualy has citations.
:rolleyes:

Wikipedia is a perfectly legitimate source for stealing information on the quick. As long as you are willing to fact check the claims, it is a great way to save time digging the net for info.

You dispute the claim that the Senate negated his fillabuster and actualy extended the draft?

What proof do YOU have?

sapperskunk

cornnifer wrote:

O.k. Maybe i'm being a dick. Sorry. Sincerely.

Don't be sorry, you nailed it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Even Santa slaps around his elves once and a while...

Ever notice Misses Claus never speaks?

inside she is screaming...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

sapperskunk wrote:

Don't be sorry, you nailed it.

yeah thanks, Cornifer. i was waiting for someone to say it.

Abookamongstthemany

There would be no democrats or republicans if people stopped voting for them. And...when more parties form and they become shitty....stop voting for them, too. How nice it would be to hold officials accountable for a change.

PJ_Saluki

Yup, it's pretty easy and, sorry HH, naive to say there would be no wars if people refused to fight. Ain't neva gonna happen. As long as somebody has something some other group of somebodies wants, there will always be war. To think otherwise seems like a flight of fancy to me. Pacifists might get their reward in heaven, if you believe in it, but they get shit on in the real world.

g under p

As long as we have leaders (George Bush & others) hungry for power we will ALWAYS continue to have these wars. Thus the sad state of this world and ALL it's leaders.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix

Peace

Heineken Helen

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Yup, it's pretty easy and, sorry HH, naive to say there would be no wars if people refused to fight. Ain't neva gonna happen. As long as somebody has something some other group of somebodies wants, there will always be war. To think otherwise seems like a flight of fancy to me. Pacifists might get their reward in heaven, if you believe in it, but they get shit on in the real world.

Hey, I know it's never gonna happen... I'm just saying it in reply to all the 'support the troops' bullshit and how GWB seems to be the only person to blame for the whole thing. He's barely set foot in Iraq. He hasn't personally killed any Iraqeeees, has he? People need to stop crying for the troops... they're the ones DOING the killing... albeit in somebody elses name... but tell me how that works

sponger

There would be no wars if there were no lies. Every war since the beginning of time was fueld by lies in some form of another. People have never actually fought for what they believed they were fighting for. It's always been a matter of conjuring up a cause that in the end lines the pockets of the powerbrokers.

Heineken Helen

sponger wrote:

There would be no wars if there were no lies. Every war since the beginning of time was fueld by lies in some form of another. People have never actually fought for what they believed they were fighting for. It's always been a matter of conjuring up a cause that in the end lines the pockets of the powerbrokers.

That's not true... people have never fought for what they believed they were fighting for? what about those who defend their homes against invasion? While Britain may have been wrong invading Ireland, should we have just LET them invade? Therefore avoiding war altogether? But if you mean that in the case of the invaders... then I'm sure there's one or two that were justified

Abuskedti

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pretty simple, eh? I'm sick of hearing about how the poor goddamn troops are over there against their will. Sure they can face prison for refusing to fight but isn't that better than being 'forced' to kill people? (George Bush ain't in Iraq). I would certainly rather go to prison than do something that goes against everything I believe. And I would safely say that when the war began, a vast majority of the troops were in favour of it. Just cos they change their mind halfway through the war shouldn't make anyone feel sorry for them.

We need troops to defend us.. or we will be conquered. That is sad but definately a fact. If given the choice, those that must actually do the fighting would certainly fight far less. Which is why we have decided to have the choice made by our elected officials - apart from the fear and with all the necessary information.

Please don't place the blame of those decisions on those facing death every day - they have agreed to an absolutely necessary contract - and to offer their lives in defense of our freedom and safety. The racially and economically motivated destruction of Iraq is blood on the hands of the US government - not the men and women dying.

Heineken Helen

Abuskedti wrote:

We need troops to defend us.. or we will be conquered. That is sad but definately a fact. If given the choice, those that must actually do the fighting would certainly fight far less. Which is why we have decided to have the choice made by our elected officials - apart from the fear and with all the necessary information.

Please don't place the blame of those decisions on those facing death every day - they have agreed to an absolutely necessary contract - and to offer their lives in defense of our freedom and safety. The racially and economically motivated destruction of Iraq is blood on the hands of the US government - not the men and women dying.

I can see where you're coming from if you were talking about a DEFENSIVE force... but you certainly don't have one of those! By putting their lives on the line in order to kill and maim and cause destruction, they are not defending your freedom and safety... they are endangering it. It's pretty simple and obvious to an outsider. This war has nothing to do with freedom and safety for anybody... I thought we were all agreed on that.