bailout bill vote

jimed14

yoke wrote:

I think this is Pelosi's speech


http://www.breitbart.tv/html/184803.html

that's my representative!

looks like it cuts out, not sure if that is all of it ... but, ugh ... I just don't understand why she needed to pile on like that.

But honestly, to me, a little more chatter on what to do might be helpful ... this thing still had its warts.

teskeinc

The Democrats are the majority in the Congress, why couldn't they get their shit together and vote the way their leader (the moron Nancy Pelosi) was directing?

When Pelosi spoke , she decided not to encourage members of both parties to vote for the bill, but to blast Republicans and blame Bush and how the Democrats were saving the day. Now shes back on TV pleading that we need a bi-partisan effort.

This just continues to show that our elected officials are not interested in whats good for the country, only what good for them financially and politically.

bigbadbill

It didn't pass 228-205.

xavier mcdaniel

in case you're interested, here's a tally of who voted for it and against it:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

beachdweller

I have a problem with the republican talking points after the vote, they said it failed due to speaker pelosi's speech before the vote. So they had the votes, and an agreement, the go to vote, speaker hurts their personal feelings, and they lose votes? so their personal feelings are more important than the American economy?

If they had problems, and if bi-partisanship was truly important, they would state the issues that need to be worked on, and not blame the vote failure on their hurt feelings.

on the otherside, if her speech as so partisan, she needs to zip it also.

how messed up is our political system? how much more messed up does it need to become before the majority of Americans do something?

oh, and Nadar isn't the answer, though a little Nadar, a lot of Ron Paul, mixed in some Obama and Swartzeneggar would be nice, fictional, but nice.

ajedigecko

from my perspective.....i think the bailout failure is a direct correlation and an accurate representation of our current economy. as someone said earlier, we have been functioning as a psuedo economy.

time to pay the piper......to some degree.

it is all out of balance.

and on a more positive note.....we have a new topic to discuss.

jimed14

Barney Frank kills me ...

Pelosi was just asked if her speech caused the bill to fail ...

Frank stepped in ... he said (paraphrasing) "wait ... so, the republicans had the 12 votes to pass this bill, but, then, a little speech hurt their feelings? So, their feelings mean more than the welfare of the country? 'Someone hurt my feelings, so, I want to punish the country' .... I'll make an offer ... give me the 12 names and I'll go talk uncharacteristicly nicely to them ... and tell them what wonderful people they are, and could they NOW think about the people of this country?"

teskeinc

ajedigecko wrote:

from my perspective.....i think the bailout failure is a direct correlation and an accurate representation of our current economy. as someone said earlier, we have been functioning as a psuedo economy.

time to pay the piper......to some degree.

it is all out of balance.

and on a more positive note.....we have a new topic to discuss.

the piper was already paid, we had a chance to stabalize the markets, it wasnt giving 700 billion to wall st. , it was about trying to allow people access to borrow money, just wait and see what happens.

digster

Everyone has to be smacked in the head on this one (of course, assuming that this bailout needs to pass, which I'm still ambivalent about)

-Pelosi needs to learn when is a right and wrong time not to deliver a partisan speech.
-Republicans need to grow the hell up and not let a partisan speech hurt their feelings.

Keiran

History was just made - market was down -724 points. Never seen before - something to tell the grandkids about????

jimed14

Keiran wrote:

History was just made - market was down -724 points. Never seen before - something to tell the grandkids about????

yes, but, you'll have to tell them in Chinese, as that's what we'll all be speaking by then ...

digster

PEPPER wrote:

Nancy Pelosi is in charge of a democrat run house...she doesn’t need a single republican vote to get a bill approved but since she and all other dems in congress are cowards she asks for help......she gets the OK from some republicans then goes out and blasts the republicans and the president.......its like asking for $5 then kicking the person in balls before they give it to you….I think Nancy P needs to grow the hell up.

If you think that someone who was going to vote for a bill decided not to because the Speaker of the House hurt his or her feelings is in the right, I don't know what I can say. I didn't say Pelosi was blameless, but come on.

jimed14

Chuck Todd just stated on MSNBC ... of all the HOR memebers that are in close races for their job (remember they are ALL up for reelection), only 4 or 5 voted for this bill, the rest ALL voted against, both Dems and Reps ...

Again, the bill was doomed from the initial Paulsen plan, regardless of what Pelosi said. There was NO WAY to reverse public perception.

YieldInHiding

teskeinc wrote:

The Democrats are the majority in the Congress, why couldn't they get their shit together and vote the way their leader (the moron Nancy Pelosi) was directing?

When Pelosi spoke , she decided not to encourage members of both parties to vote for the bill, but to blast Republicans and blame Bush and how the Democrats were saving the day. Now shes back on TV pleading that we need a bi-partisan effort.

This just continues to show that our elected officials are not interested in whats good for the country, only what good for them financially and politically.

I do love the "blame Republicans" game as much as the next "liberal", but Pelosi is certifiable. She needs to go.

YieldInHiding

PEPPER wrote:

Nancy Pelosi is in charge of a democrat run house...she doesn’t need a single republican vote to get a bill approved but since she and all other dems in congress are cowards she asks for help......she gets the OK from some republicans then goes out and blasts the republicans and the president.......its like asking for $5 then kicking the person in balls before they give it to you….I think Nancy P needs to grow the hell up.

Cowards? LOL...

Did Rush tell you to say that?

Anon

teskeinc wrote:

The Democrats are the majority in the Congress, why couldn't they get their shit together and vote the way their leader (the moron Nancy Pelosi) was directing?

Look again. It was the majority of Republicans who failed to support the bill, not Democrats, who voted 60% in favor.

If anything, this is an indictment of John McCain's lack of leadership ability, not to mention another gold star for the legacy of the worst President at least since Hoover, if not of all time.

And now it looks like House Republicans picked up their toys and went home because of Pelosi's speech. Jesus Christ.

Psst...Bush's economic policies are disastrous. He did inherit a surplus and drive us into deficit. That's what's known as a fact.

josevolution

anybody wan't to join me and get drunk ...

YieldInHiding

PEPPER wrote:

No, not at all, I do not listen to Rush....it is what it is, the democrats are afraid to vote on this by themselves because they will get blasted if they do....shoud put themselves second when getting a job done. Just because I do not have the same thought process as you shouldn't make you prejudge that I am a Rush follower.

Sorry, please don't take offense. I meant to say Hannity.

jimed14

PEPPER wrote:

No, not at all, I do not listen to Rush....it is what it is, the democrats are afraid to vote on this by themselves because they will get blasted if they do....shoud put themselves second when getting a job done. Just because I do not have the same thought process as you shouldn't make you prejudge that I am a Rush follower.

please, you cannot blame the dems on this ... it was BOTH parties' fault ... and Paulsen, and Bush, and previous congresses .... you don't see that?

Strangest Tribe

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

in case you're interested, here's a tally of who voted for it and against it:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

Thanks for the link.

Ron Paul was against... That's all I need to know