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tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
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Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.0 -
mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
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Mu Rivian stocks I bought at $38 are at $32 still. I'm thinking of buying more.0
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tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
IT WAS ALSO BUILT IN MY GOD DAMN HOMETOWN
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:IT WAS ALSO BUILT IN MY GOD DAMN HOMETOWN0
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She's a beaut, Clark.0
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mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.
No one I knew had an M3 or M6 though. I don't recall the M6 in the 90's?
Saab is ugly yes. Buick was the only other car company I remember that used the turbo. It was a tech early on that the car manufacturers couldn't master. Now it's in every V6 instead of a V8 now. The Mustang GT is slower than the V6 turbo model. Ain't that some shit?0 -
tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.
No one I knew had an M3 or M6 though. I don't recall the M6 in the 90's?
Saab is ugly yes. Buick was the only other car company I remember that used the turbo. It was a tech early on that the car manufacturers couldn't master. Now it's in every V6 instead of a V8 now. The Mustang GT is slower than the V6 turbo model. Ain't that some shit?0 -
And you're right about turbos (which I also don't love, but I know how efficient they are). Remember the Grand National was the monster with the turbo. Trans Am tried that in 79/80 as well. The only one who really had it down was Nissan with the 300.0
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tempo_n_groove said:Lerxst1992 said:.tempo_n_groove said:Lerxst1992 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.They are very sleek and nice, but consumers are paying for that. $70k for a mid sized car? Considering they are powered by coal and nat gas, have toxic batteries with minimal oversight for safe disposal and significant geopolitical concerns regarding mining raw materials, Teslas amount to a pretty form of snake oil. First, let’s replace all coal and gas fired plants, find a safe way to produce and dispose of batteries, then we may be onto something with EVs
Everyone forgets that Tesla is a step in the right direction. All these companies coming around that you want to do better is a direct cause of Tesla in the first place.Looking at how many people support the gop, I have little faith. Maybe teslas are becoming a status symbol now. Musk did carve out a brand new car company in the US market, which is impressive, but looking at him now, it really looks like he is more interested in profiteering off of taking advantage of liberal fear of climate crisis.
The problem is too many vote for politicians who support coal and other fossil fuels. Climate is not even an issue for the midterms.Belief that EVs are better is obscuring the fact that we need to eliminate coal and convert oil heat to electric, and convert gas fired plants to renewables.Until all this occurs, not sure why we’d call an EV “better.” It’s misdirection - the need to change the source of the energy, not the consumer end use. Frankly, the EV industry has grown too fast considering many issues, including pollution off of disposal, something utilities need to consider at the beginning of an investment, is not being addressed by the EV industry and could quadruple costs, which will be paid for by guess who? Taxpayers of course. We believe EVs are better and it’s entirely possible they are every bit as bad as the combustible engine vehicle.
I'm all for bringing Nuclear back to the front again. We should totally be building more.Unfortunately the conversation is about one party being fictitiously good at stopping crime and climate issues are getting almost no influence on the midterms. If the Dems were more focused, perhaps a short message repeated everywhere, “when you pass a gas station and see high prices,please think about abundant coal and guns everywhere, because when you vote gop, that’s what you get.”0 -
mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.
No one I knew had an M3 or M6 though. I don't recall the M6 in the 90's?
Saab is ugly yes. Buick was the only other car company I remember that used the turbo. It was a tech early on that the car manufacturers couldn't master. Now it's in every V6 instead of a V8 now. The Mustang GT is slower than the V6 turbo model. Ain't that some shit?
Nissan did do amazing things w a Turbo.
See GTR/Skyline. What an amazing car.0 -
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I've been watching McDonalds stock rise more and more. I wanted to buy when it was 212 a while back. It's 279 now.0 -
mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.0 -
Go Beavers said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.
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Jearlpam0925 said:mrussel1 said:Lerxst1992 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.They are very sleek and nice, but consumers are paying for that. $70k for a mid sized car? Considering they are powered by coal and nat gas, have toxic batteries with minimal oversight for safe disposal and significant geopolitical concerns regarding mining raw materials, Teslas amount to a pretty form of snake oil. First, let’s replace all coal and gas fired plants, find a safe way to produce and dispose of batteries, then we may be onto something with EVs
I'm admittedly an asshole on this topic as I have a few classic cars that are not good on gas. Although I drove them about 3k miles per year. But still, not green.
Thank you for mentioning trains! So much could be improved by (relatively) simply refurbishing our rail systems. But the oil companies don't want that, you know know Musk sure as hell doesn't want that!
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brianlux said:Jearlpam0925 said:mrussel1 said:Lerxst1992 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.They are very sleek and nice, but consumers are paying for that. $70k for a mid sized car? Considering they are powered by coal and nat gas, have toxic batteries with minimal oversight for safe disposal and significant geopolitical concerns regarding mining raw materials, Teslas amount to a pretty form of snake oil. First, let’s replace all coal and gas fired plants, find a safe way to produce and dispose of batteries, then we may be onto something with EVs
I'm admittedly an asshole on this topic as I have a few classic cars that are not good on gas. Although I drove them about 3k miles per year. But still, not green.
Thank you for mentioning trains! So much could be improved by (relatively) simply refurbishing our rail systems. But the oil companies don't want that, you know know Musk sure as hell doesn't want that!0 -
mrussel1 said:Go Beavers said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Spiritual_Chaos said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.
SAAB is a good car though. The 900 is a classic, with a unique look that's its own. I always respect when engineers and designers do their own thing.
Yuck...
And yes I lumped the Aztec and 900 in the same sentence. Both designs are that bad...
As far as the Saab, you can say it's ugly. I say it's unique. Nothing else like it. I appreciate that. Plus it was a turbo when few companies were doing those. Now every friggin' car has a twin turbo of some sort. I prefer naturally aspirated every day of the week, but the 900S was one of a kind.Thread integrity: BMW stock up today to 27.080 -
mrussel1 said:brianlux said:Jearlpam0925 said:mrussel1 said:Lerxst1992 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone been in a Tesla? The friggin car is fast and really nice. I'll say that about the car.They are very sleek and nice, but consumers are paying for that. $70k for a mid sized car? Considering they are powered by coal and nat gas, have toxic batteries with minimal oversight for safe disposal and significant geopolitical concerns regarding mining raw materials, Teslas amount to a pretty form of snake oil. First, let’s replace all coal and gas fired plants, find a safe way to produce and dispose of batteries, then we may be onto something with EVs
I'm admittedly an asshole on this topic as I have a few classic cars that are not good on gas. Although I drove them about 3k miles per year. But still, not green.
Thank you for mentioning trains! So much could be improved by (relatively) simply refurbishing our rail systems. But the oil companies don't want that, you know know Musk sure as hell doesn't want that!0
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