Palin article re environment in The Independent

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cubbieblue82 wrote:

I think everyone here understands the electoral process here, so lets not be condescending now... I swear to all these Nader supporters come accross as the most condescending arrogant bunch.

If it were understood, the point of the 'popular vote' would not have been raised.
oh, and it's funny that you refer to me as a 'Nader supporter'. I'm actually supporting Obama this election. Just because I point out absurdity doesn't mean I'm a 'Nader supporter' (though I do think he's a better candidate than Obama is).

You all say that Nader had no effect on the 2000 election to make yourselves feel better for voting for him(speculating here!) .

keep speculating, but I'll tell you that so far it has not helped you.

Say what you want about Gore and Kerry (the critiques are certainly valid) but the FACT is that if Nader did not run, Gore would have carried Florida, and thus the election.

No one is denying that. There is a difference, however, in pointing out that useless fact, and to actually blame Nader (and his supporters) for how the world is now.

You cannot argue with that because that is the reality of the situation.

It's an irrelevant argument.

No Gore and Kerry were not great candidates, I believe that Barack Obama IS a great candidate.

see, this should be the main focus of your point... though, it'd be better if you were to actually say WHY you believe he's a great candidate. not a bad start, though.

I only hope that there are not enough Nader supporters out there to hand McCain the election (I don't think it will happen this time around)

again, weak point.

IamTom

Thanks to the time difference I wake up to this wonderful debate that's been going in whilst I've been asleep!

Lush!

So,

From where I sit I like the idea of Obama. Obviously he has the great advantage of not being Bush. This however shouldn't be enough to gain a vote(sadly it may well be.).

I love the idea of a black man in power. It shows that to a small degree there is more tolerance and acceptance. And surely this is great modeling for other marginalised groups.

The question I have is....

Is he the best person for the job? You're the superpower and with this comes great responsibility. A responsibility that hasn't recently been carried with any great courage by leaders who seem more interested in today's prifits,their friends getting wealthier and taking not giving. A legacy of destruction.

Can Obana turn things around? Does he want to? Has he the courage?

Does anyone want to? Or are we still collectively sticking our heads in the sand until someone else stands up?

I have no idea what the answer is.

ofthegirl75

Americans are hurting paying for gas and the cost of everything going up because of gas prices. She is what the narrow minded red state people want. As gas is going down home heating prices are skyrocketing. "Drill baby drill" They want oil.
They don't give a crap about the environment. More drilling will not promote cleaner renewable energy. Millions of jobs could be created by investing in solar and wind technologies as did the information technologies of the late 1990's.
Somone need to give a shit about the planet. McCain and Palin do not as much as they say they do.

chopitdown

Indian Summer wrote:

Independents always pull from the democratic vote. Republicans never give anyone else a chance, they vote red no matter the candidate (obviously).

ross perot

catch22

_outlaw wrote:

if there's anyone ignorant in this thread, it's you. Clearly you don't know the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote. go take a high school american government course or something.

to say that Nader is the reason Bush is in the white house is absurd. Gore and Kerry being horrendous candidates is the reason.

as for this election, it's a different story. I'm just sick of hearing all the Nader bashing because it seems like people forget all the good he's done and replace it with lame, far-fetched accusations.

it's funny, you guys are the reason people vote for Nader. Instead of trying to paint Obama as a good candidate, you call people who vote for Nader "ignorant" and tell them not to "waste their vote". If you were to just explain WHY they should vote Obama, rather than why they shouldn't vote Nader, maybe they'd actually consider it.

what good has he done? aside from a book about seatbelts, what legislation and laws has he passed? even when i was campaigning for nader in 2000 i couldn't answer this question. all i know is what he says he would like to do.