new 5 min. video on explosions at the WTC

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edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
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  • Bwalker545Bwalker545 Posts: 162
    Yup, our crazy govt is smart enough to pull of the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world...but we cant take control of iraq, seems logical...
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  • Magus wrote:
    Yup, our crazy govt is smart enough to pull of the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world...but we cant take control of iraq, seems logical...

    So did you have anything to debate about the video posted?
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  • Bwalker545Bwalker545 Posts: 162
    Did you have anything to disscuss, or just felt that it was ok to call me out without adding anything yourself?
    All the comments people made at the end of the video are day of comments all including refrences to "what might have, could have maybe was" sorta talk, and it says "why was this never investigated" because it didnt pan out...you want some good day of rumors check out Pearl Harbor...(poisoned water supplies, arrows cut into cane fields, japanese invasions...you name it people thought it was going on, and it got reported on the news too!) All in all if our government was really capable of pulling this off we are pretty much fucked no matter what! Enjoy the ride!
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Magus wrote:
    Yup, our crazy govt is smart enough to pull of the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world...but we cant take control of iraq, seems logical...

    Everything is going just well for the money makers in Iraq. The only thing wrong is the people who think it is right to be there, aren't there.



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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Magus wrote:
    Did you have anything to disscuss, or just felt that it was ok to call me out without adding anything yourself?
    All the comments people made at the end of the video are day of comments all including refrences to "what might have, could have maybe was" sorta talk, and it says "why was this never investigated" because it didnt pan out...you want some good day of rumors check out Pearl Harbor...(poisoned water supplies, arrows cut into cane fields, japanese invasions...you name it people thought it was going on, and it got reported on the news too!) All in all if our government was really capable of pulling this off we are pretty much fucked no matter what! Enjoy the ride!

    coming from a guy that quotes 1984 in his sig...
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    my2hands wrote:
    coming from a guy that quotes 1984 in his sig...

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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    so let's assume there was a truck in the basement...does that mean the gov't put it there? Of course not, and no truck was found so that makes that theory difficult to prove. Also, people kept using the phrases "like" a bomb..."like" gunfire. That just using a common descriptor to describe what happened.

    and of course the media tries to manipulate things to get a desired outcome...that should be no surprise.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    DPrival78 wrote:

    there's a video that proves the existance of ghosts too.
    it's called ghostbusters.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:


    that "explosion" sound could have been any number of things.


    a slab of concrete falling onto a car, a gas tank exploding, a firemans oxygen tank exploding....

    but you believe it was a government bomb?


    2 of the tallest, heaviest structures man had ever built had just fallen to the ground. many things will be damaged in that area.

    this proves nothing and gives nobody anything to chew on.
  • Absolutely nothing in that video led me to believe that anything other than a terrorist attack occured. You're getting testimony from a firefighter and other people about theories they had not fact. Additionally, even if there were bombs in the parking garages below the WTC's, the buildings didn't topple over from the bottom, they came down on themselves.
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    Absolutely nothing in that video led me to believe that anything other than a terrorist attack occured. You're getting testimony from a firefighter and other people about theories they had not fact. Additionally, even if there were bombs in the parking garages below the WTC's, the buildings didn't topple over from the bottom, they came down on themselves.

    the buildings were anchored to the bedrock in the basements. there were pools of molten steel found in the basements for weeks after the collapses. what in those buildings generated the amount of heat necessary to keep steel liquified for weeks? burning office furniture wouldn't do it. nor would kerosine/jet fuel.
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  • All the methane from the rats farting in the subways kept the fires alight...

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that "explosion" sound could have been any number of things.


    a slab of concrete falling onto a car, a gas tank exploding, a firemans oxygen tank exploding....

    but you believe it was a government bomb?


    2 of the tallest, heaviest structures man had ever built had just fallen to the ground. many things will be damaged in that area.

    this proves nothing and gives nobody anything to chew on.

    i just laugh at these people. i can modify a video on my computer and almost 6 years later a majic video appears and everyone jumps on it. sure; it was some secret special bomb that causes a building to drop straight down. must have been the only one cuz we could have used it in iraq.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that "explosion" sound could have been any number of things.


    a slab of concrete falling onto a car, a gas tank exploding, a firemans oxygen tank exploding....

    but you believe it was a government bomb?


    2 of the tallest, heaviest structures man had ever built had just fallen to the ground. many things will be damaged in that area.

    this proves nothing and gives nobody anything to chew on.

    How about we just accept for a second here that all those explosions that sounded like explosions were actually explosions instead of coming up with excuses with what they could be.

    And forget about thinking it was planted by the goverment cos i bet that is the only bit of the whole explosions theory that you find hard to swallow. I bet you wouldn't question that they were explosions if no one had come out with the theory that it was your goverment who planted them there. If someone said it was the terriosts that rigged that building up you would swallow it no question i bet.

    It's easiest to believe the simplest answer and that is controlled demolition, thats what it sounded like and thats what it looked like. And it seems silly to try going all round the houses trying to come up with reasons for why they collapsed when the answer is obvious.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    How about we just accept for a second here that all those explosions that sounded like explosions were actually explosions instead of coming up with excuses with what they could be.

    no one is questioning the sound of explosions.
    spiral out wrote:
    And forget about thinking it was planted by the goverment cos i bet that is the only bit of the whole explosions theory that you find hard to swallow. I bet you wouldn't question that they were explosions if no one had come out with the theory that it was your goverment who planted them there. If someone said it was the terriosts that rigged that building up you would swallow it no question i bet.
    well I hope you arent a betting man. I would laugh if the government told me terrorists somehow got into one of the most secure (and largest) buildings in the world and planted bombs throughout.
    spiral out wrote:
    It's easiest to believe the simplest answer and that is controlled demolition, thats what it sounded like and thats what it looked like.

    to you maybe. to me it looked like 2 big ass planes full of thousands of gallons of jet fuel slammed into the center of them.
    spiral out wrote:
    And it seems silly to try going all round the houses trying to come up with reasons for why they collapsed when the answer is obvious.

    its not obvious to me. well except for the planes crashing into the building and those buildings falling down on top of itself.

    but tell me other then those facts, what is so obvious?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,746
    jlew24asu wrote:
    to me it looked like 2 big ass planes full of thousands of gallons of jet fuel slammed into the center of them.

    looked that way to me too...............
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  • One thing that gets me on the whole 9/11 thing, it's that we are so far past it now that it really doesn't help us to go back and look for blame. There is just no benefit to anything or anyone on this planet to finding and placing blame even if it was all a huge conspiracy. It we be global chaos. And you think people and things are divided and messed up now? In the big picture it would not benefit a single living cell or organism (let alone person) on this earth.

    Understand that much if anything.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no one is questioning the sound of explosions.

    this sounds like questioning the explosions or rather excuses for what they might have been instead of what they were.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    a slab of concrete falling onto a car, a gas tank exploding, a firemans oxygen tank exploding....
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well I hope you arent a betting man. I would laugh if the government told me terrorists somehow got into one of the most secure (and largest) buildings in the world and planted bombs throughout.

    Well i laugh at the rubbish reasons they have come up with for why 2 building collapsed at freefall speed. When it clearly looks like a controlled demolition.

    jlew24asu wrote:
    to you maybe. to me it looked like 2 big ass planes full of thousands of gallons of jet fuel slammed into the center of them.

    Yep and the buildings were built to withstand that.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    spiral out wrote:
    How about we just accept for a second here that all those explosions that sounded like explosions were actually explosions instead of coming up with excuses with what they could be.

    And forget about thinking it was planted by the goverment cos i bet that is the only bit of the whole explosions theory that you find hard to swallow. I bet you wouldn't question that they were explosions if no one had come out with the theory that it was your goverment who planted them there. If someone said it was the terriosts that rigged that building up you would swallow it no question i bet.

    It's easiest to believe the simplest answer and that is controlled demolition, thats what it sounded like and thats what it looked like. And it seems silly to try going all round the houses trying to come up with reasons for why they collapsed when the answer is obvious.

    i've played with explosives all my life. it was a necessity. there's not an implosion expert anywhere that would claim they could bring that building down in that manner with explosives. it's impossible.

    however; the workings of a jet engine proves the original theory.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    spiral out wrote:
    Yep and the buildings were built to withstand that.

    you're dead wrong there. the buildings were designed to withstand a strike from THE AIRPLANES AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. or is this another majic occurence where the engineers saw into the future?
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  • would you argue that same concept when our multi-billion dollar defense system failed miserably to protect the pentagon? im sure they spent more money on securing the pentagon than they did the WTC,... or is that faulty logic?

    Apparently there is no decent surveillence system in place at the.....Penatgon, for christs sake!!! Not one video of clear footage of a plane hitting the building. I'm calling bullshit. Also security videos were confiscated from a nearby gas station and hotel. We never got to see these either.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    this sounds like questioning the explosions or rather excuses for what they might have been instead of what they were.

    how can you prove what they are? you cant. my explainations are perfectly logical


    spiral out wrote:
    Well i laugh at the rubbish reasons they have come up with for why 2 building collapsed at freefall speed. When it clearly looks like a controlled demolition.

    these were 2 of the heaviest largest structures ever built. as soon as they fall, they have no where else to go but DOWN, and fast.



    spiral out wrote:
    Yep and the buildings were built to withstand that.

    looks like it failed. besides they planes they were talking about where not the same ones that hit the building. they werent around back then
  • Apparently there is no decent surveillence system in place at the.....Penatgon, for christs sake!!! Not one video of clear footage of a plane hitting the building. I'm calling bullshit. Also security videos were confiscated from a nearby gas station and hotel. We never got to see these either.

    there are also the DOT tapes that would have had a perfect view,... there is no reason to keep those from public eyes. it is not a matter of national security.
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  • MakingWavesMakingWaves Posts: 1,293
    chopitdown wrote:
    so let's assume there was a truck in the basement...does that mean the gov't put it there? Of course not, and no truck was found so that makes that theory difficult to prove. Also, people kept using the phrases "like" a bomb..."like" gunfire. That just using a common descriptor to describe what happened.

    and of course the media tries to manipulate things to get a desired outcome...that should be no surprise.

    As the steel in the building is failing it would be very loud and would probably resemble gunfire or maybe even a bomb. As for the loud explosion sound when the guys are on the phone...that could be some many things considering a building of that size had just collapsed.
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  • As the steel in the building is failing it would be very loud and would probably resemble gunfire or maybe even a bomb. As for the loud explosion sound when the guys are on the phone...that could be some many things considering a building of that size had just collapsed.

    there are witnesses claiming to hear explosions well before the building collapses.

    and also, why is it okay for you to assume that it would probably resemble gunfire or a bomb? why shouldn't we investigate (we being the commission report) multiple eyewitness testimonies?

    if in fact there were explosions, assuming it were the terrorists, wouldn't that be failure to protect our citizens in a different category,...? EDIT: as in not just the FAA and NORAD

    they could at least investigate it, but it is nowhere in the official reports,... at least the small portions i've skimmed over. but hey, if you find it, ill gladly shut up about it
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    there are witnesses claiming to hear explosions well before the building collapses.

    and also, why is it okay for you to assume that it would probably resemble gunfire or a bomb? why shouldn't we investigate (we being the commission report) multiple eyewitness testimonies?

    if in fact there were explosions, assuming it were the terrorists, wouldn't that be failure to protect our citizens in a different category,...? EDIT: as in not just the FAA and NORAD

    they could at least investigate it, but it is nowhere in the official reports,... at least the small portions i've skimmed over. but hey, if you find it, ill gladly shut up about it

    i was watching the news last night and they were interviewing an eyewitness to a killing. she said she heard 3 pops like a FIRECRACKER. there is no gun in the world that sounds like a firecracker. turns out she didn't actually see anything; just heard 3 pops.

    secondly; have any of you ever seen a building implosion? you see a series of explosions. a 3 story building could take over 100 explosions to bring it straight down. and you see every one. not the explosion but the shake or shutter of the building. maybe you should view some implosions and see why this is absurd.
  • i was watching the news last night and they were interviewing an eyewitness to a killing. she said she heard 3 pops like a FIRECRACKER. there is no gun in the world that sounds like a firecracker. turns out she didn't actually see anything; just heard 3 pops.

    secondly; have any of you ever seen a building implosion? you see a series of explosions. a 3 story building could take over 100 explosions to bring it straight down. and you see every one. not the explosion but the shake or shutter of the building. maybe you should view some implosions and see why this is absurd.

    that does not nullify the 9/11 eyewitness reports

    i do not claim to know much about implosions, though i have researched enough be somewhat educated since i started exploring 9/11. the gov't has done a terrible job explaining and being held accountable for what happened on 9/11. you have your theory, which i just can't settle with. i have my theory, which i don't know what it is and im really looking forward to NIST's new report on wtc 7,...
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    you're dead wrong there. the buildings were designed to withstand a strike from THE AIRPLANES AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. or is this another majic occurence where the engineers saw into the future?

    "Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.
    The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."

    yes, a 767 is larger than a 707, but not by a huge amount. also, the 707's top speed was about 100 mph faster than a 767. the two planes also had about the same fuel capacity. so while the 707 gives up some size, it makes up for some of that with increased speed. the difference isn't as much as you may think.
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    the biggest war method right now is tv ... people are controlled by fear
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