Do you really think Obama is the answer?

Indian Summer

I think Obama can lay some groundwork, for Clinton to get in there in 8 years, and turn things around.

callen

slightofjeff wrote:

I would have rather John Kerry have become president than Obama. If we're going to have a "just another politician" in the White House, he might as well know what the fuck he's doing.

Obama is going to be so far in over his head it's ridiculous.

over his head???

So dubya's pretty much running things from hell then.....

and freakin Palin...absolute joke.

Obama's smart, he understands the common American more than McCain or Dubya would ever dream of. Oh yea and again...Palins a freakin joke..oh and sooo scary.

callen

Indian Summer wrote:

I think Obama can lay some groundwork, for Clinton to get in there in 8 years, and turn things around.

That's great....

callen

MrSmith wrote:

i'm kinda thinking Obama might be about as dumb as Bush. maybe not as dumb. but given the terrible campaign choices he's made since beating Clinton, im starting to wonder.

but we aren't really known for electing smart presidents.

Your kidding right...have you heard either speak?

Uncle Leo

MrSmith wrote:

i'm kinda thinking Obama might be about as dumb as Bush. maybe not as dumb. but given the terrible campaign choices he's made since beating Clinton, im starting to wonder.

but we aren't really known for electing smart presidents.

He's not nearly as dumb as Bush. But for whatever reason, the Democrats always run bonehead campaigns for this office.

This thing is over. McCain will win easily. And when we look back, we'll look back on the campaigns. McCain smarter? No. But his campaign staff is.

heartdesire

Uncle Leo wrote:

He's not nearly as dumb as Bush. But for whatever reason, the Democrats always run bonehead campaigns for this office.

This thing is over. McCain will win easily. And when we look back, we'll look back on the campaigns. McCain smarter? No. But his campaign staff is.

Uncle Leo ... Mcain will not win easily. It is a tough race and though you are very right on about the Republican strategy, my bets are still on Obama. He will pull it off.

Vince

Well we have seen what the other party is capable of so why not give the other party a chance.

jeffbr

Vince wrote:

Well we have seen what the other party is capable of so why not give the other party a chance.

We've seen what both parties are capable of. They've both had their chance. It is time to stop fooling yourself into believing one of the two major parties is better than the other. They both have done nothing but run our economy into ruin and strip our liberties. Partisan Democrats are as crazy as partisan Republicans, but somehow think they own the moral high ground. Strange.

Abookamongstthemany

jeffbr wrote:

We've seen what both parties are capable of. They've both had their chance. It is time to stop fooling yourself into believing one of the two major parties is better than the other. They both have done nothing but run our economy into ruin and strip our liberties. Partisan Democrats are as crazy as partisan Republicans, but somehow think they own the moral high ground. Strange.

It's nice to see others can see through the bullshit from both parties, too instead of picking a team and excusing their failures. You can't expect change by supporting the same old problems and the same old people that create them decade after decade. Change will come when we as a nation become bold enough to break the cycle and try something new instead of settling for mediocre politicians who have been bought out from under us already anyways.

Jeremy1012

There are NEVER any truly good choices, none that will actually stand a chance of being elected. The trick is choosing the lesser of two evils. At it's basest level, putting a young, charismatic black man in the White House at least shows that America is willing to embrace progression. Putting an old fool backed up by a gun-toting nutcase is not.

How anyone can honestly believe the figurehead position means anything anyway is beyond me. Whichever party is in power will undoubtedly fuck it up. America might as well take a step forward while it waits to take its 10 steps back.

slightofjeff

callen wrote:

over his head???

So dubya's pretty much running things from hell then.....

and freakin Palin...absolute joke.

Obama's smart, he understands the common American more than McCain or Dubya would ever dream of. Oh yea and again...Palins a freakin joke..oh and sooo scary.

If Obama were actually running against Bush, he'd be better off. Too bad he's not. McCain has been doing a pretty decent job of distancing himself from the "McSame" tag.

As for the experience factor:

If you had told me on 9/11 that two elections later we'd possibly be electing a person for president who was a friggin' state senator on 9.11 ... I probably would have bought a whole helluva a lot of life insurance.

The guy has never been in charge of so much as a boy-scout troop ... and we want to give him the keys to the country? Forget the "well, at least he'd better than Bush" stuff ... I'm not arguing that.

Would he be better than John McCain? I'm no huge McCain fan, but I'd trust him with the keys to the country before I'd trust Bambi.

That "3 a.m." ad Hillary ran with devastating effect during the primaries isn't that far off from the truth.

know1

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It's nice to see others can see through the bullshit from both parties, too instead of picking a team and excusing their failures. You can't expect change by supporting the same old problems and the same old people that create them decade after decade. Change will come when we as a nation become bold enough to break the cycle and try something new instead of settling for mediocre politicians who have been bought out from under us already anyways.

Wow - I agree with you for one of the rare times.

callen

Uncle Leo wrote:

This thing is over. McCain will win easily. And when we look back, we'll look back on the campaigns. McCain smarter? No. But his campaign staff is.

Agree....regrettably.

callen

slightofjeff wrote:

If Obama were actually running against Bush, he'd be better off. Too bad he's not. McCain has been doing a pretty decent job of distancing himself from the "McSame" tag.

As for the experience factor:

If you had told me on 9/11 that two elections later we'd possibly be electing a person for president who was a friggin' state senator on 9.11 ... I probably would have bought a whole helluva a lot of life insurance.

The guy has never been in charge of so much as a boy-scout troop ... and we want to give him the keys to the country? Forget the "well, at least he'd better than Bush" stuff ... I'm not arguing that.

Would he be better than John McCain? I'm no huge McCain fan, but I'd trust him with the keys to the country before I'd trust Bambi.

That "3 a.m." ad Hillary ran with devastating effect during the primaries isn't that far off from the truth.

No Bambi is McCains running mate not Obama's.

If I had a large company to run, I'd take Obama over McCain any day. Add to it that Bambi has a goog chance of becoming president sends shivers down my spine.

slightofjeff

callen wrote:

No Bambi is McCains running mate not Obama's.

If I had a large company to run, I'd take Obama over McCain any day. Add to it that Bambi has a goog chance of becoming president sends shivers down my spine.

You'd take Obama? He'd tax himself right out of business ...

As for shivers ... the fact that someone with even less experience than Palin has a better than 50-50 shot of becoming president sends them down MY spine.

heartdesire

slightofjeff wrote:

You'd take Obama? He'd tax himself right out of business ...

I doubt it ...

Cosmo

Looking for a politician to save you is the same as going to a psychic for advice on how to get rich.
Both will lie to you in order to better their position.

callen

slightofjeff wrote:

You'd take Obama? He'd tax himself right out of business ...

As for shivers ... the fact that someone with even less experience than Palin has a better than 50-50 shot of becoming president sends them down MY spine.

Your kidding right? Palin over Obama? Wow.

Someone that in anyway gives any credibiltiy to people that speak in Gods tongue!

Someone that's against teaching kids sex education.

Someone that's against embrionic stem cell research.

Someone that bought into the lie...or rather perpetuating it that going into a national preserve to drill will in anyway make any differnence in the supply/demand equation on oil.

Someone that doesn't understand the US consumes 11 % of the worlds oil and since oil is a global economy 89% of that alaskan oil will go to the French.

Someone that thinks the word Victory can be used in the same sentence as Iraq after our current administration said we were going in to protect us from WMD's, and Iraq being an immenent threat.

Yea okay...fellow Texan.

slightofjeff

callen wrote:

Your kidding right? Palin over Obama? Wow.

Someone that in anyway gives any credibiltiy to people that speak in Gods tongue!

Someone that's against teaching kids sex education.

Someone that's against embrionic stem cell research.

Someone that bought into the lie...or rather perpetuating it that going into a national preserve to drill will in anyway make any differnence in the supply/demand equation on oil.

Someone that doesn't understand the US consumes 11 % of the worlds oil and since oil is a global economy 89% of that alaskan oil will go to the French.

Someone that thinks the word Victory can be used in the same sentence as Iraq after our current administration said we were going in to protect us from WMD's, and Iraq being an immenent threat.

Yea okay...fellow Texan.

I was talking purely in terms of experience, which admittedly is not the only factor to take into account.

However, as a pretty solid conservative, I could never cast a vote for Obama. Hell, Obama's presence on the other side of the ticket all but forced me to cast a vote for (gulp) McCain ... who has not always been a solid conservative.

If forced into a hypothetical showdown between Obama and Palin, with a gun to my head, yeah I guess I'd have to take Palin.

callen

slightofjeff wrote:

I was talking purely in terms of experience, which admittedly is not the only factor to take into account.

However, as a pretty solid conservative, I could never cast a vote for Obama. Hell, Obama's presence on the other side of the ticket all but forced me to cast a vote for (gulp) McCain ... who has not always been a solid conservative.

If forced into a hypothetical showdown between Obama and Palin, with a gun to my head, yeah I guess I'd have to take Palin.

If only the repubs would stop pandering to the social conservatives. I like McCain...have always liked him..he was my choice from the repub side...he's been to war...knows how it sucks...if he'da just kept to his guns when it came to religious fundementalists. Oh well.