Nader votes

VictoryGin

Urban Hiker wrote:

I voted for Nader. He still speaks the truth which is why he is not heard. I spoke the truth to a local paper that stopped to interview me the other day, it was not published. :cool:

maybe it's this impression of moral superiority that rubbed people the wrong way?

Urban Hiker

dpmay wrote:

i voted for nader. thanks for all the hard work.

Thanks and you're welcome. Overall, it was worth it and I would do it again in heartbeat, well, after I lick my thin skinned wounds.

yahamita

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5781

Urban Hiker

VictoryGin wrote:

maybe it's this impression of moral superiority that rubbed people the wrong way?

My guess is that they didn't want to print anything about the Taft-Hartley Act or possibly anything Nader is blacklisted. Who knows?

I had an idea of the crowd I'd be approaching when I got into this. I approached people humbly and with a smile. How I was treated in return was wrong. In some cases, I could have pressed charges. Mostly, I was left with the impression that since I wasn't an Obama supporter I was not worth the time of most people as I was somehow beneath them.

Collin

decides2dream wrote:

i also believe there is some truth in nader's message...sure....and i absolutely "believe in change from hatred and disrespect to openness, intelligent debate, cooperation and respect"...i just happen to believe so does obama, and that nader in no way corners the market on those attributes, nor does he always practice what he preaches. but hey, none of us are perfect and thus i expect perfection from no one. . differing perspectives make the world go round, eh?

anyhoo....i WAS curious what sort of #s he turned out, so i don't think it's so terrible the OP posted this thread. one can question his intentions if they so desire...but none the less...it was a pretty plainly worded question.

if anyone has #s on ALL the other 3rd party candidates, i would be curious. and yes, i know i could looke em up myself if i so desired...:p

I wasn't referring to the question, I was responding to VictoryGin's answer: who is this "nader"?

If she truly doesn't know who Nader is, then shame on her. If she's implying he's irrelevant; see my previous post.

Also, I wasn't saying that Nader possesses those qualities and Obama doesn't, I was saying if Obama's all about change then perhaps his supporters should change their attitude as well... instead of going down the old road and seeing politics as a battlefield with one winner and the rest losers... perhaps we can start with showing some respect?

One of the nicest things was McCain's speech; it showed respect. One of the worst things was his supporters booing at the mention of Obama's name; a total lack of respect.

But hey, if VictoryGin wants to ignore the other candidates, pretend that they are totally irrelevant... I'm not stopping her. I'm just saying that that's not exactly change, or maybe it is, it's a step backwards. Bravo.

decides2dream

Collin wrote:

I wasn't referring to the question, I was responding to VictoryGin's answer: who is this "nader"?

If she truly doesn't know who Nader is, then shame on her. If she's implying he's irrelevant; see my previous post.

Also, I wasn't saying that Nader possesses those qualities and Obama doesn't, I was saying if Obama's all about change then perhaps his supporters should change their attitude as well... instead of going down the old road and seeing politics as a battlefield with one winner and the rest losers... perhaps we can start with showing some respect?

One of the nicest things was McCain's speech; it showed respect. One of the worst things was his supporters booing at the mention of Obama's name; a total lack of respect.

But hey, if VictoryGin wants to ignore the other candidates, pretend that they are totally irrelevant... I'm not stopping her. I'm just saying that that's not exactly change, or maybe it is, it's a step backwards. Bravo.

aha, i see...my mistake.
that said, i know your post was in response to VG's post.....but while i will in no way speak for VG, i will say my impression was a tongue-in-cheeck joke...i thought your response was as well.....and yes, i chose to address your point seriously.


i do agree respect is necessary for progress and change, in ALL things. i do not consider nader ireelevant. however, right now in reality...there ARE no more candidates, the elction is over. so as a presidential candidate, well he IS 'irrelevant' in that sense...until the next election and if he deicdes to run. this does not suggest he as a person is irrelevant, just the candacy...since there are no more candidates.


and yes, i agree...mccain's concession speech was very classy and respectful. it would've been far better to see more of that DURING the candidate process and not after the fact.


anyhoo..it was my own inference on the overall thread, not just one post...so mea culpa.




urban hiker: i am sorry to read of your experience. it is sad to see ignorance and intolerance exist on all sides.



btw - i don't thimk all obama supporters are going down the same road, losers/winners, etc...not by a long shot. i know it's not my pov, and of many i've spoken with, a lot of coverage i've seen...i don't see much in the for/against...my side/your side at all....more like a victory for all, a positive step for all...hopeful for all.

VictoryGin

Collin wrote:

I wasn't referring to the question, I was responding to VictoryGin's answer: who is this "nader"?

If she truly doesn't know who Nader is, then shame on her. If she's implying he's irrelevant; see my previous post.

Also, I wasn't saying that Nader possesses those qualities and Obama doesn't, I was saying if Obama's all about change then perhaps his supporters should change their attitude as well... instead of going down the old road and seeing politics as a battlefield with one winner and the rest losers... perhaps we can start with showing some respect?

One of the nicest things was McCain's speech; it showed respect. One of the worst things was his supporters booing at the mention of Obama's name; a total lack of respect.

But hey, if VictoryGin wants to ignore the other candidates, pretend that they are totally irrelevant... I'm not stopping her. I'm just saying that that's not exactly change, or maybe it is, it's a step backwards. Bravo.

i'm not saying he's irrelevant exactly. i think "almost completely ineffective in his role as continual presidential candidate" would be better. he hasn't ever received nearly enough votes to be a serious contender. so then he says he runs to bring issues to the table. i'd like to know exactly what impact his last campaign had in forcing obama and mccain to address his issues. what is he and his supporters changing by the continual bids for presidency?

El_Kabong

VictoryGin wrote:

i'm not saying he's irrelevant exactly. i think "almost completely ineffective in his role as continual presidential candidate" would be better. he hasn't ever received nearly enough votes to be a serious contender. so then he says he runs to bring issues to the table. i'd like to know exactly what impact his last campaign had in forcing obama and mccain to address his issues. what is he and his supporters changing by the continual bids for presidency?

what do you change by constantly proping up and supporting the status quo?

i wonder if he (or other 3rd parties) would've received more votes if they were allowed into the debates?

as long as you let these 2 corporate parties control the racket nothing will ever change. why would it? they know you will pick one or the other regardless so they don't really need to worry about being held accountable. just look at all the ppl who used to be against the patriot act until obama kept voitng for it, suddenly it wasn't such a bad thing. some ppl used to be against nuclear power but now that obama likes it suddenly it's not such a bad idea, some even throw out this odd concept that we will use our tax money to build these new plants only to use them for a little while until we develop 'something better' but do they honestly believe that will happen? that we'll spend all that money just to say 'ok, let's close er up!'??? this doesn't apply to every obama supporter but it's obvious many have compromised their 'ideals' just to be on the winning team. it's also sad to see the level of pettiness among many obama supporters and superiority complex, they have become just another cliche of what they used to rail against

El_Kabong

mammasan wrote:

He received 10,230 in Montana, 9,353 in Louisiana and California is the only state that was going to count his write in votes and they are not done tallying them yet. He did place third in both Montana and Louisiana.

why wouldn't the other states count them?? isn't that what democracy means?

freindlyfired

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Just further proof that Nader seriously needs to re-think his approach.

I just don't understand why he contiunes to waste his time running for President rather than mobilze a legitimate 3rd Party opposition.

Ralph is getting up there in age himself. If he really wants to make an impact and is serious about getting some balance to government...He needs to work to get that party elected at the state and local levels,so that there can be some actual 3rd Party representation in government.

Build the party.

I Greatly respect the man and agree in large with alot of what he says...But basically just pissing in the wind and wasting our time by running for President.

Sorry...Ralph

But that's how I feel.

he runs for people like me.. "not for you"

freindlyfired

"never runs for you....... fu(k youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"