Bush reading our mail ?!?

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    yield2me wrote:
    No, I don't trust everyone who works for the govt, but I also don't give a fuck if they read my mail...put yourself in their shoes. How do you prevent terrorists attacks when you have terrorists living in the country they want to attack?

    You're entitled to think what you want and I won't attack your beliefs, but I do think we are safer today.
    Has there been a breakdown in the system? Is there a band of rogue judges out there denying warrants to investigate suspected terrorists? What the hell is the problem with getting a warrant?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    yield2me wrote:
    No, I don't trust everyone who works for the govt, but I also don't give a fuck if they read my mail...put yourself in their shoes. How do you prevent terrorists attacks when you have terrorists living in the country they want to attack?

    You're entitled to think what you want and I won't attack your beliefs, but I do think we are safer today.

    Really?

    IMHO anti-American sentiment is at an all time high....or at the very least appears to be....honestly a terrorist has to be an idiot to send anything noteworthy through the mail....just gives me another reason to laugh at this hopeless administration....clueless
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    What I can't comprehend is that people who support these types of actions and this administration are more than likely republicans. Since when have republicans been for big brother and a government coming into people's homes?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    yield2me wrote:
    No, I don't trust everyone who works for the govt, but I also don't give a fuck if they read my mail...put yourself in their shoes. How do you prevent terrorists attacks when you have terrorists living in the country they want to attack?

    You're entitled to think what you want and I won't attack your beliefs, but I do think we are safer today.

    that's cool...

    I have to ask, do you really, honestly think that bin laden is sending this in the mail to evil-doers in the US...?

    I'm pretty sure one of the many great and wonderful things about this country is the right to privacy...do you want to change that..?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    yield2me wrote:
    If it keeps terrorists fucks from attacking us then the govt can read my mail, listen to my phone calls, come take a blood samples, photograph my dog etc. I'm willing to sacrifice some privacy to keep our people safe.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    inmytree wrote:
    that's cool...

    I have to ask, do you really, honestly think that bin laden is sending this in the mail to evil-doers in the US...?

    I'm pretty sure one of the many great and wonderful things about this country is the right to privacy...do you want to change that..?


    If Bin Laden is communicating to any would be terrorists in this country how do you think he is doing it? I mean if they are going to carry out some massive attack they would have to communicate with them somehow right? I don't know the answer to this, maybe you do?

    I don't want to change our right to privacy, but like i've said, if it keeps people from being killed then the govt can look and see how much i owe to visa or whatever floats their boat.
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    yield2me wrote:
    If Bin Laden is communicating to any would be terrorists in this country how do you think he is doing it? I mean if they are going to carry out some massive attack they would have to communicate with them somehow right? I don't know the answer to this, maybe you do?

    I don't want to change our right to privacy, but like i've said, if it keeps people from being killed then the govt can look and see how much i owe to visa or whatever floats their boat.
    So you think its OK for fighting terrorism. What if they open up a package and a pound of weed spills out? Do they prosecute? How about if its cash from your under-the-table job? Prosecution?
    Is it acceptable to open mail for any reason, as long as there is a criminal offense involved or do you draw the line at terrorism?

    Should the government be able to show up at your door and start searching, you know, just to be sure you arent a terrorist?
  • qtegirl
    qtegirl Posts: 321
    yield2me wrote:
    If Bin Laden is communicating to any would be terrorists in this country how do you think he is doing it? I mean if they are going to carry out some massive attack they would have to communicate with them somehow right? I don't know the answer to this, maybe you do?

    I don't want to change our right to privacy, but like i've said, if it keeps people from being killed then the govt can look and see how much i owe to visa or whatever floats their boat.
    Here's the deal too:

    If the government suspects that Bin Laden is sending so-and-so person a christmas card, all they need to do is go to a FISA court and get a warrant. This process is secret, therefore niether so-and-so nor bin Laden know about it.

    Please explain to me why this won't work? Please explain to me why, to find one terrorist (you know, one at the time), do they need to go through each person's Visa bill? Now, I don't personally believe that they're going to read your mail or my mail, because I have no links to terrorrism. So, whose letters are they going to open without a warrant? The ones that they have reasons to suspect, right? I that case... why don't they just GET a warrant?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    yield2me wrote:
    If Bin Laden is communicating to any would be terrorists in this country how do you think he is doing it? I mean if they are going to carry out some massive attack they would have to communicate with them somehow right? I don't know the answer to this, maybe you do?

    smoke signals and two soup cans with string....
    yield2me wrote:
    I don't want to change our right to privacy, but like i've said, if it keeps people from being killed then the govt can look and see how much i owe to visa or whatever floats their boat.

    sounds good, after a warrent is obtained, that is...while I'm a fan a privacy, I'm also a fan of checks and balances...
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    This post made me immediately think of the Pat Robertson post, not the God part, but the # of people and the fact that he referenced major cities. I'm no longer concerned about terrorists, my government is starting to worry me.

    This Bill exposes us to a very dangerous situation.

    Was it the government sending anthrax through the mail? No, but it was removed from a secured facility and look how much mail was contaminated by one letter. Sickness and death did occur. I hope the people on Capitol Hill remember what happen to them. It should remind them how easy it was to target a specific person and place.

    Procedures for suspicious packages and mail are already in place across the U.S. Additional, safety checks were put in place in all Post Offices to prevent another anthrax event, Bush's Bill takes that safety net away and the justification of terrorists is not enough for me.

    If tampered mail comes to us, are we to automatically assume it was the government that opened it. Anyone can now place a tampered envelop in your box with deadly consequences because your now in a mindset that - hey the government must have opened my mail. I bet the Unabomber is sitting in jail pissed at this missed opportunity.

    This is not a support Bush issue, or a Democratic vs Republican issue, it's not about who reads your mail issue. It's about exposing the public to a greater risk than that which you are charged to protect us from.

    I'm not into scare tactics and I don't lay awake thinking about what terrorists are plotting that's our government's responsibility. We have provided this Administration with the tools to protect us. When a tool (this Bill) has the potential to place the public at unnecessary risk, its a tool that should be taken away.

    The lessons learned from the anthrax scare, showed the danger of playing with bio-agents and how they can take on a whole new face once that jeannie is out of the bottle. Frankly, I don't want some pissed off politician playing footsie with my life to prove a, -see, see, I told you so - point.

    The thing about Democracy that people have forgotten is that - no ONE person is absolute - regardless of their title. Laws can be repelled and Congress needs to step up to the plate and rein this one in.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    I get nothing but junk mail anyway.
    Why go home

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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    hippiemom wrote:
    YOU are exactly what is wrong with this country. It's people like you who not only allow but encourage the abuses of this administration.

    It must suck to be that scared.

    you're that scared too...just the other way...

    by the way, no one is abusing this administration...i think you are arguing abuse BY this administration...
    I'll dig a tunnel
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    you're that scared too...just the other way...

    Huh?
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    yield2me wrote:
    If Bin Laden is communicating to any would be terrorists in this country how do you think he is doing it? I mean if they are going to carry out some massive attack they would have to communicate with them somehow right? I don't know the answer to this, maybe you do?

    Everyone involved has the password to one email account. They post messages and save them as drafts. They can read an update each other, and no transaction takes place. No way to be traced. Scary isn't it?
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    yield2me wrote:
    I don't want to change our right to privacy, but like i've said, if it keeps people from being killed then the govt can look and see how much i owe to visa or whatever floats their boat.

    What if they're reading it for personal and political gain? Hoover did it!

    You don't know what they're reading or why.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    Every liberty we give up is one step closer to fascism. Once it starts and goes unchecked it can become very dangerous.
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Smellyman wrote:
    Every liberty we give up is one step closer to fascism. Once it starts and goes unchecked it can become very dangerous.

    i am not worried until the government tries to seize the arms of the citizens...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Too bad Bush wasn't personally opening mail right after Sept. 11. May have thought it was coke and then he would have just disappeared.
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