Looking at my order history in 10C Profile

Lsk6453

Uniondale '03 - 2 tickets $83
MSG '03 - 2 tickets $86

NJ '06 x 3 - 2 tickets $116.40

joint in a tree

yeah, the price has doubled in 5 years.
i find the best thing to do i never look at your order history!!

SwBkRn44

Check the price of gas in the time period and it puts the change into perspective :-)

I was at most of the shows you were...great shows.

NewJPage

SwBkRn44 wrote:

Check the price of gas in the time period and it puts the change into perspective :-)

I was at most of the shows you were...great shows.

the doubling of the price of gas should increase the price of a ticket by about 10-15% at most. that is not where most of the price of a ticket goes...

slightofjeff

joint in a tree wrote:

yeah, the price has doubled in 5 years.
i find the best thing to do i never look at your order history!!

So has the price of gas. Inflation is a biaaatch ...

Gather No Moss

Lsk6453 wrote:

Uniondale '03 - 2 tickets $83
MSG '03 - 2 tickets $86

NJ '06 x 3 - 2 tickets $116.40

do you know how much it cost to drive huge semi-trucks and buses all around the country today... compared to then.. they are not making any more money... they are just paying for gas.. the venues charge more too.. it's called inflation..look into it..

slightofjeff

NewJPage wrote:

the doubling of the price of gas should increase the price of a ticket by about 10-15% at most. that is not where most of the price of a ticket goes...

That's not the point. The point is that the price of things increase over time, sometimes dramatically.

I'm sure in '96, we were all bitching about $25 tickets.

SwBkRn44

Thanks. That's what I was saying, not that tickets are more because gas costs more, just that things in general are more expensive....inflation!

NewJPage

slightofjeff wrote:

That's not the point. The point is that the price of things increase over time, sometimes dramatically.

I'm sure in '96, we were all bitching about $25 tickets.

its the DRAMATIC increase that is the problem. in '96, tickets were like $18. in '98 they were like $23. in 2000, they were like $28. in '03 they were like $35. '06, $50, and now, $65. huh? that is not inflation, and not gas. if it were only inflation, those '96 tickets would probably be like $20, tops, today. and i understand that gas and other things have increased substantially as well. but that does not equate a quadrupling of prices in 12 years.

ed said it himself...they were gonna charge more for tickets cause of album sales. so it shouldnt be surprising. it just blows

slightofjeff

Not too long ago, I used to be able to see my favorite NBA team for $15. Now, you can't get in the door for less than $40, with fees. And that's for a seat in the nosebleeds.

Tickets to things are expensive.

I'd wager concerts have gotten expensive because it's damn near the only way for artists to make money anymore. Nobody buys CDs anymore. We download shit off the internet and then burn it for all our friends.

Anon

i thought the same thing myself yesterday....
a pair of tickets to MSG 2003 $86.....2008 $168

slightofjeff

NewJPage wrote:

its the DRAMATIC increase that is the problem. in '96, tickets were like $18. in '98 they were like $23. in 2000, they were like $28. in '03 they were like $35. '06, $50, and now, $65. huh? that is not inflation, and not gas. if it were only inflation, those '96 tickets would probably be like $20, tops, today. and i understand that gas and other things have increased substantially as well. but that does not equate a quadrupling of prices in 12 years.

ed said it himself...they were gonna charge more for tickets cause of album sales. so it shouldnt be surprising. it just blows

I don't know where Ed said this, but I don't disbelieve it. These guys deserve to be compensated for their efforts somehow. If not through album sales, then through live performances.

I have no problem with it. None.

It's kind of the way it works in this industry. As the audience grows up, theoretically it should be able to afford a higher-priced ticket. Check out what the older bands like the Who and Stones are charging nowadays.

Pearl Jam will be there someday, I'd reckon.

joint in a tree

not that i'm complaining about the ticket prices, because i know they're not bad compared to the ticket market right now....i'm just saying looking at my order history in general and seeing how much dough i've dropped on this band...makes me feel real irresponsible! it's a LOT of money!!

BUT:
shouldn't all this reasoning mean that my income is twice as high as it was in 03? Because that is definitely not the case. Maybe I should have this conversation with my boss.....
haha...
PEACE.

Irish Al

I have to admit, I can't believe that people are moaning about the price of tix. These MSG tix are costin me €55 each....there is now way you'd get to see PJ in ireland for any less than €70, so stop bitchin and just go enjoy the gig

Rossum20

i love the people who think it is purely inflation that has caused ticket prices to double in 5 years......idiots

edwf2000

the price doesn't go up b/c of inflation, it goes up b/c all you bitches keep getting older. Younger bands tour and get a younger audience and charge 30 bucks b/c thats all their fans can afford. When a band gets older so does its fan base, so all you are asked to cough up more dough b/c now they have a ton of middle-aged to older young professionals who want to see a band they've been following for 15 years

NewJPage

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't know where Ed said this, but I don't disbelieve it. These guys deserve to be compensated for their efforts somehow. If not through album sales, then through live performances.

I have no problem with it. None.

It's kind of the way it works in this industry. As the audience grows up, theoretically it should be able to afford a higher-priced ticket. Check out what the older bands like the Who and Stones are charging nowadays.

Pearl Jam will be there someday, I'd reckon.

i understand what you are saying. but the who and the stones never made the low cost of their concert a huge fucking deal. that is where i find it a bit troubling. slightly hypocritical, IMHO. that's why i dont like to compare PJ to other bands, cause they are supposed to be BETTER than other bands at this kind of thing...

tschav

slightofjeff wrote:

It's kind of the way it works in this industry. As the audience grows up, theoretically it should be able to afford a higher-priced ticket. Check out what the older bands like the Who and Stones are charging nowadays.

Pearl Jam will be there someday, I'd reckon.

and don't forget how much ticketmaster fees have increased over the years. the price of two $25 tacks on roughly another $25 in service fees!

decides2dream

ha!
i did the same thing the last 2 days when buying tix. my first show was uniondale 03, then the msgs....and, yes...wow! from $86 for a pair to MSG in 2003 to $168 for a pair, same venue, 2008. i wish my salary increased at such a rate. none the less.....HAPPY to see pearl jam back at MSG!

velogator

Lets not forget, it's not just the Band that has to get paid, but all their employees - you think they want a pay raise every once-in-awhile? Would you be satisfied making the same income today as you did 3, 5, 10 years ago, assuming you are in the same field? So ticket prices go up.

Plus, using your figures, on a % increase basis the increases all fall right around 20% for each of the time periods you mentioned (with a couple of outliers). So lets not blame PJ, blame Adam Smith :-)

mjb

I said it this morning and I'll say it again...if George Michael is charging $201 plus fees to see him in Toronto, PJ is worth $75...fuck, I'd pay whatever they charged because to me they are the hardest working band out there, they give me a different show every night and they are simply my favourite. That said, no need to keep trying to justify it...inflation is a factor, so is the fact that these are guys in their 40s who probably understand the band is in their twilight years and want to make more money for their efforts...it could be worse, much worse.

Drew263

slightofjeff wrote:

I'd wager concerts have gotten expensive because it's damn near the only way for artists to make money anymore. Nobody buys CDs anymore. We download shit off the internet and then burn it for all our friends.

After just watching a thing on the news about the death of the cd..I believe you're on to something.

scpjfan

NewJPage wrote:

the doubling of the price of gas should increase the price of a ticket by about 10-15% at most. that is not where most of the price of a ticket goes...

I don't know why everyone is so surprised at the increase in ticket prices. Jeff actually told a Toronto newpaper before the 06 tour kick-off that they had kept prices low in the past and have given lots to charity, but it was time to start making some more money for themselves. Capitalism baby, gotta love it!

Edit: Here's the link to the article; http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/P/Pearl_Jam/2006/05/09/1570408.html

For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here are the lines I was talking about;

Over the years, the band has publicly put a lot of effort into donating money and time to various non-profits, and also towards keeping ticket and merchandise prices low (remember the mid-'90s TicketMaster boycott?).

Well, they're back on the TicketMaster boat, and at $60.50 a pop, a seat at the show certainly isn't cheap.

"The first nine years as a band we didn't make any money touring, so there came a point where we wanted to feel good about going out there for eight months and to be able to make a little money," said Ament. "Every once in a while I hear somebody make a comment about how we wear this punk-rock ethos on our sleeves, but we're multi-millionaires. We work our asses off and have worked our asses off for a long time, and not only does the band give away a lot of money but we all individually give a lot of money away and are very involved in (good causes). I feel good about what we do with the money we make -- not a lot of it is wasted."

slightofjeff

NewJPage wrote:

i understand what you are saying. but the who and the stones never made the low cost of their concert a huge fucking deal. that is where i find it a bit troubling. slightly hypocritical, IMHO. that's why i dont like to compare PJ to other bands, cause they are supposed to be BETTER than other bands at this kind of thing...

dude, that was like 13 years ago. They fought the good fight and lost. When is the last time you heard anyone affiliated with Pearl Jam talk about low prices? I think Jeff was still wearing goofy hats then.

You need to drop the old archetype. That's not Pearl Jam anymore. When it comes to ticket prices, they are just another band now.

I've got no problem with that. There's no need for them to keep ticket prices low anymore. They gave up enough money back in the day.

my2hands

slightofjeff wrote:

I'd wager concerts have gotten expensive because it's damn near the only way for artists to make money anymore. Nobody buys CDs anymore. We download shit off the internet and then burn it for all our friends.

yup

redmosquito85

Irish Al wrote:

I have to admit, I can't believe that people are moaning about the price of tix. These MSG tix are costin me €55 each....there is now way you'd get to see PJ in ireland for any less than €70, so stop bitchin and just go enjoy the gig

Exactly, and I mean it says something about here when The Fray played the Royal Theatre in Castlebar towards the end of last year and the tix were €40 ($60). And needless to say, a couple of thousand mainly 15-18 year olds coughed it up without a bother!!

NewJPage

slightofjeff wrote:

dude, that was like 13 years ago. They fought the good fight and lost. When is the last time you heard anyone affiliated with Pearl Jam talk about low prices? I think Jeff was still wearing goofy hats then.

You need to drop the old archetype. That's not Pearl Jam anymore. When it comes to ticket prices, they are just another band now.

I've got no problem with that. There's no need for them to keep ticket prices low anymore. They gave up enough money back in the day.

you're right. whatever they do is correct.

i'm not one that is TOTALLY freaking out. i understand what is going on. at least some are using the argument that "the band wants more money." which is correct. and is also OK. i know things have changed. just dont use the inflation or gas argument. its bullshit.

What i am doing is just pointing out that the father who works a midnight shift and wants to take his son to a show and get a tshirt (ed quote) isnt gonna be able to anymore. and their musical peers like green day and foo fighters charge far less.

the band is still tops for me, and still does a lot of good for others and for organizations that need help.

DocChicago

scpjfan wrote:

For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here are the lines I was talking about;

Over the years, the band has publicly put a lot of effort into donating money and time to various non-profits, and also towards keeping ticket and merchandise prices low (remember the mid-'90s TicketMaster boycott?).

Well, they're back on the TicketMaster boat, and at $60.50 a pop, a seat at the show certainly isn't cheap.

"The first nine years as a band we didn't make any money touring, so there came a point where we wanted to feel good about going out there for eight months and to be able to make a little money," said Ament. "Every once in a while I hear somebody make a comment about how we wear this punk-rock ethos on our sleeves, but we're multi-millionaires. We work our asses off and have worked our asses off for a long time, and not only does the band give away a lot of money but we all individually give a lot of money away and are very involved in (good causes). I feel good about what we do with the money we make -- not a lot of it is wasted."

They should just make this the banner at the top of the page and it would cut down on the griping by at least 2-3%. Many people (myself included) had held on to the mistaken belief that they were still even trying to keep costs down. Clearly that's not the case. I guess I'm okay with that.

The crashing server still sucks though.

obiwon76

DC shows:

2003 $99
2006 $118
2008 $148

Almost 50% increase from 03 to present day. I wonder how much gas was in 03?

slightofjeff

just dont use the inflation or gas argument. its bullshit.

No, it's not. That's definitely part of the equation.

Lsk6453

Gather No Moss wrote:

do you know how much it cost to drive huge semi-trucks and buses all around the country today... compared to then.. they are not making any more money... they are just paying for gas.. the venues charge more too.. it's called inflation..look into it..

Hey wiseass, I was not complaining. I just said I missed the old days when tickets didn't cost so much. There was no complaint in my note.