Nader's Portfolio problem

flywallyfly

Nader invests in the very corporations he calls evil. Let's play a little game here. One of the corporations in his portfolio was General Dynamics. They made the F-16 fighter which was sold to Israel. Israel uses the F-16 to drop cluster bombs in Lebanon. Weird cycle there.

So Nader invests in this company to make a profit so he can rail against them later. Sounds more like he is helping to create his own problems so he can have something to be relevant about and hypocritically complain. What a fraud.

flywallyfly

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Nader's work increasingly focused on getting sufficient information to consumers so that they could protect themselves from corporate tyranny.

The very corporate tyranny HE INVESTS IN. Nice. Way to fight the power Ralph !!

cincybearcat

flywallyfly wrote:

The very corporate tyranny HE INVESTS IN. Nice. Way to fight the power Ralph !!

Seriously, is this such a big deal?

So, Nader wants to invest and live off his own money...big deal.

All those BIG BAD Corporation out there are the ones that are providing wages, health care, etc. for the workers of this country. Not so bad to invest in that.

All it shows is Nader wants change, but he is not against capitalism...he's living in today and fighting for what he thinks tomorrow should be. I don't see an issue...people are so quick to jump on others for there decisions.

I'd love to see Mr. Vedder's retirement portfolio.

flywallyfly

cincybearcat wrote:

Seriously, is this such a big deal?

So, Nader wants to invest and live off his own money...big deal.

All those BIG BAD Corporation out there are the ones that are providing wages, health care, etc. for the workers of this country. Not so bad to invest in that.

All it shows is Nader wants change, but he is not against capitalism...he's living in today and fighting for what he thinks tomorrow should be. I don't see an issue...people are so quick to jump on others for there decisions.

I'd love to see Mr. Vedder's retirement portfolio.

I'm all for capitalism, that isnt the problem here. It is a big deal when you dedicate yourself to fighting the very corporations you invest your own money in. Helping the cause you supposedly hate while profiting from the very actions you say you despise is hypocritical at best.

Vedder's retirement portfolio probably sucks too. He isnt running for president based on his "fighting" these corporations like Nader. I'm just pointing out that Nader isnt the squeaky clean man many like to claim he is so people can make an informed choice on election day.

cincybearcat

flywallyfly wrote:

I'm just pointing out that Nader isnt the squeaky clean man many like to claim he is so people can make an informed choice on election day.

I understand that...I'm not going to be voting for Nader anyhow...it's just that everyone has chinks in their armor...though I see your point in that some of Nader's supporters think he shits pure gold with the fragrence of beautiful wild flowers.

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

I understand that...I'm not going to be voting for Nader anyhow...it's just that everyone has chinks in their armor...though I see your point in that some of Nader's supporters think he shits pure gold with the fragrence of beautiful wild flowers.

how nader invests doesn't bother me in the least....certainly has no bearing on the whys of him not being my candidate. i do understand that most people, including nader, operate in shades of grey and i expect nothing more than that. i also understand how some do portray him as being 'above' others and well, that i disagree with too. so all of it a non-issue in my mind. altho i will say sure, if you are railing against the very thing you invest your own funds in....bit odd......but whateva.

macgyver06

Strangest Tribe wrote:

but ummm....der,,,,,er.....

Ralph fights so hard for the people.... he doesn't have realistic plans that work for a capitalist society...but he makes sure the car you're driving doesn't kill you...

,....er maybe

I'm voting for Nader because bygod I'm different....I think outside the box...I'm intelligent


oh yeah, and I'm a little neurotic, not to mention....paranoid

??

Abookamongstthemany

cincybearcat wrote:

I understand that...I'm not going to be voting for Nader anyhow...it's just that everyone has chinks in their armor...though I see your point in that some of Nader's supporters think he shits pure gold with the fragrence of beautiful wild flowers.

Not I. I have admitted that this was something that bothered me back in March.
However it's nothing huge and it doesn't take away from Nader's platform that fits my views much better, history of achievements, his strong role as a leading activist for the 20th century and into the 21st. I trust that Nader will be the kind of leader I'd like to see in office because he has proven he is about actions not words. As I've already said and I'm sure it will be ignored again...between the two choices for a liberal minded person...it's not hard to see who has done the most for this country and who has been nothing more than talk and flash.

norm

i have a question and maybe it's been answered but...

how much has nader taken in campaign contributions from the companies that are listed in the first post?

Abookamongstthemany

cutback wrote:

i have a question and maybe it's been answered but...

how much has nader taken in campaign contributions from the companies that are listed in the first post?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000086

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00006424&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=8&goButt2.y=8&goButt2=Submit

norm

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000086

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00006424&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=8&goButt2.y=8&goButt2=Submit

thanks...really was just looking for yes or no


so looking at nader's stock portfolio and campaign contributers i don't see the same company(ies) in both areas...

now....in my view, nader is not beholden to any of the companies in his portfolio....i believe he is doing what we as americans should do....instead of just complaining that, say gas prices are to high, buy stock in the oil companies which will then give you the opportunity to perhaps make a change in how that company runs it's business....not that i'm saying that nader is doing this but i think bringing up this type of info is really a weak argument against nader and his campaign....and if this is important to you well then you might want to take a look at where democrats and republicans get their money....that, to me, seems to be the bigger issue....:)

Number 18

My biggest problem with Nader is not his views or what he has done or what he has not done. It is his inability to turn all of his accomplishments into something inspirational for more than a small minority of people. He couldn't even get 15% of the votes in 2004 with both those other jokers on the ballot. As unfortunate as it is, he has to play the game if he ever wants to get anywhere in a public office. And he does not play that game.

Abookamongstthemany

Number 18 wrote:

My biggest problem with Nader is not his views or what he has done or what he has not done. It is his inability to turn all of his accomplishments into something inspirational for more than a small minority of people. He couldn't even get 15% of the votes in 2004 with both those other jokers on the ballot. As unfortunate as it is, he has to play the game if he ever wants to get anywhere in a public office. And he does not play that game.

Is that Nader's fault or people's fault?

Like many have already said...let him into the debates. Imagine if he had all the exposure from the media that mainstreams have. Imagine if he had the kind of money the others get from corporate donors to go on publicity tours that last for years so sell himself from state to state.....it would make all the difference in the world. But he doesn't do that. He's busy fighting the good fight year in and year out. And he doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of money, he has no corporate donors pushing him forward and the media paints him negatively and never discusses his accomplishments objectively the way the 'news' is supposed to. He is the only candidate running that has actually brought change about in this country, fought the odds for US and won and fought for the people's rights and safety BEFORE hos own personal gain....but somehow he is undeserving?

Abookamongstthemany

cutback wrote:

thanks...really was just looking for yes or no


so looking at nader's stock portfolio and campaign contributers i don't see the same company(ies) in both areas...

now....in my view, nader is not beholden to any of the companies in his portfolio....i believe he is doing what we as americans should do....instead of just complaining that, say gas prices are to high, buy stock in the oil companies which will then give you the opportunity to perhaps make a change in how that company runs it's business....not that i'm saying that nader is doing this but i think bringing up this type of info is really a weak argument against nader and his campaign....and if this is important to you well then you might want to take a look at where democrats and republicans get their money....that, to me, seems to be the bigger issue....:)

Good points!

Number 18

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Is that Nader's fault or people's fault?

Like many have already said...let him into the debates. Imagine if he had all the exposure from the media that mainstreams have. Imagine if he had the kind of money the others get from corporate donors to go on publicity tours that last for years so sell himself from state to state.....it would make all the difference in the world. But he doesn't do that. He's busy fighting the good fight year in and year out. And he doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of money, he has no corporate donors pushing him forward and the media paints him negatively and never discusses his accomplishments objectively the way the 'news' is supposed to. He is the only candidate running that has actually brought change about in this country, fought the odds for US and won and fought for the people's rights and safety BEFORE hos own personal gain....but somehow he is undeserving?

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. He still is not able to inspire. You are inspired by him and that's great. I would love to see him play a more prominent role in the election, too. But that does not mean his inspiration is propogated to everyone. You can blame whomever you wish. If he really had a passion to become the next president, he would make it work. He has passion, as evidenced by his accomplishments, he just needs to reharness it.

Commy

Number 18 wrote:

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. He still is not able to inspire. You are inspired by him and that's great. I would love to see him play a more prominent role in the election, too. But that does not mean his inspiration is propogated to everyone. You can blame whomever you wish. If he really had a passion to become the next president, he would make it work. He has passion, as evidenced by his accomplishments, he just needs to reharness it.

what like sell himself to corporate donors so he can get the same exposure the mainstream candidates get? that goes against everything he stands for.

flywallyfly

Commy wrote:

what like sell himself to corporate donors so he can get the same exposure the mainstream candidates get? that goes against everything he stands for.

He doesnt have to sell himself to corporate donors, he can just invest in them like he has before. Then he can use his profits to run a campaign against these very corporations. Crazy how that works for some people.

brandon10

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Is that Nader's fault or people's fault?

Like many have already said...let him into the debates. Imagine if he had all the exposure from the media that mainstreams have. Imagine if he had the kind of money the others get from corporate donors to go on publicity tours that last for years so sell himself from state to state.....it would make all the difference in the world. But he doesn't do that. He's busy fighting the good fight year in and year out. And he doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of money, he has no corporate donors pushing him forward and the media paints him negatively and never discusses his accomplishments objectively the way the 'news' is supposed to. He is the only candidate running that has actually brought change about in this country, fought the odds for US and won and fought for the people's rights and safety BEFORE hos own personal gain....but somehow he is undeserving?

Everyone who has any knowledge of politics knows who Nader is and understands what he is about. Yet he still doesn't stir emotion among voters. He has been running for president for 10 years yet he still doesn't muster support. You can blame the media all you want and they do deserve a part of the blame. Especially the right wing spin media. But some blame must also fall on Naders lap for not having the charisma to galvanize an American public that is begging for a new direction.

Abookamongstthemany

brandon10 wrote:

Everyone who has any knowledge of politics knows who Nader is and understands what he is about. Yet he still doesn't stir emotion among voters. He has been running for president for 10 years yet he still doesn't muster support. You can blame the media all you want and they do deserve a part of the blame. Especially the right wing spin media. But some blame must also fall on Naders lap for not having the charisma to galvanize an American public that is begging for a new direction.

Which speaks to the public's own downfall of needing celebrity and flare over substance to match their extremely short attention spans. They continue to vote against their own self interest in the face of having a man running who has proven himself to be a public servant and to be devoted to making things better for their lives as citizens in this country AND supports the very issues they poll as agreeing with and wanting to see implemented!

If the American public is serious about wanting a new direction then they have to realize they have to be pro-active and make it happen. They can't just sit back and expect someone else to do it for them. And they can't keep acting surprised and upset that the government they elect is full of shit each time when they were the ones who keep falling for the same crap every year. When it's not an election year, you'll hear almost everyone complaining about the sorry gov't and how corrupt and useless they are....then when it comes time to do something about it....they repeat the same dumb mistake.Doh! It's like getting a bad evaluation at work and then getting a promotion and raise for it!!! There is no sense to be had in this cycle!

The Democrats ran in 06 on ending the war and lead everyone to believe they would get this done. Then they do jack shit but play Republican lite once in office and give Bush/Cheney a free pass. So then their approval rating slipped to lower than Bush's and rightly so. And what do we do?! We say "Hell yeah! Give me some more of that! It's working out just grandly for us so far!"

It's enough to drive a sane person crazy.

Number 18

If were to be proactive about change, there, I'm sure, are many more people better than Nader. They just have better shit to do.