Child beauty pagents are nothing less than creepy....
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Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
So apparently you can go to Thailand and arrest someone, but when a suspect crosses the border into Mexico you can't follow him, okay? Now we can go back to worrying about our other murdered young attractive white girl, Natalie Holloway. Lets hope Greta is reporting from Aruba tonight!
"So, you must really love Led Zeppelin. That’s the oldest shirt I’ve ever seen on someone who wasn’t a bum."
"Hey, if God didn’t want me to wear it so much, he wouldn’t have made them rock so hard."
I just saw an interview of the suspect's brother on some news show or something. He says his brother has never been to colorado. Also, he says his brother was writing a book on child murders, and that this somehow is causing a huge mix up by law enforcement.
I will be absolutely stunned if this guy turns out to really be her killer.
Its like telling me they found Nicole Simpson's killer and it isn't OJ!
We'll see. My instincts are telling me this guy didn't do it.
Looks like (at least from his confession) that he did do it...
JonBenet Ramsey suspect 'so very sorry'
By ALISA TANG, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago
A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case. "I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he told The Associated Press.
John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.
"I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."
Later, as he was escorted to his guesthouse to pick up his belongings, he told the AP: "I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet. It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."
Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."
Karr also told the AP he contacted JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, before her death in June and that he wrote her letters about "many things." He said he hoped that she received the letters.
Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok guesthouse by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police.
He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that JonBenet died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional," Suwat said.
"He said he loved this child, that he was in love her. He said she was very pretty, a pageant queen. She was the school star, she was very cute and sweet," Suwat said.
Karr declined to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. Dressed in a turquoise polo shirt and khaki trousers, he appeared ashen with an expressionless look on his face.
An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.
JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996.
Wednesday's arrest was a surprise development in one of America's most lurid murder cases, which had left a cloud of suspicion over her family after years went by with no arrests. Some feared the case would never be solved.
Striking video images of the blonde-haired girl in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.
A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.
A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.
Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.
DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Lin Wood, the family's longtime attorney, said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not known whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr.
The Ramseys learned that police were investigating Karr at least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death in June of ovarian cancer, the family said.
In a statement Wednesday, father John Ramsey said that if his wife had lived to see Karr's arrest, she "would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."
Suwat quoted Karr as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.
Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.
Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.
"It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," said Wood, the family attorney.
"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood told MSNBC.
Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.
"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."
Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions."
Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.
Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.
Hurst, with the department's U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Bangkok, said that Karr had left the United States several years ago and had not returned.
The immigration and customs office had assisted the Boulder County District Attorney's Office and the Royal Thai Police in the investigation.
The suspect, who has been in Thailand five times over the past two years, was being detained by immigration police pending arrival of U.S. officials, Suwat said.
When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst responded, "We're asking the same questions."
Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style guesthouse called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.
The district attorney in Boulder, Mary Lacy, said the arrest followed several months of work.
She said Karr, who had traveled extensively across the world, may also be connected to a prior case in Santa Rosa County, Calif. She did not provide further details.
Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/jonbenet_ramsey_52
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I have been watching this man all week, and I honestly don't see him getting into the home, practicing a randsom note, writing one, sexually asulting her, killing her, and sneaking out! I think he loved her, or at least does now that she is famous. Yes, he is a pediphile, so that is why he is in love with her. a sick man yes....a murder of someone he loved the way he said he did...I really don't think so. And why would a stranger leave a randsom note, then kill the child? I still smell parents.
Seriously. 118,000 dollars? WTF? That seems like a strange amount.
"118,000 dollars... and 63 cents, or the girl gets it"!
Strange.
It was the amount that Mr. Ramsey had just received as a bonus.
This guy might be in it for the 15 minutes..........the family is already peddling the rights to his story to pay for a high-power lawyer and a college fund for his kids.
The locals from his hometown talked of his driving around in a red Deloren (sic?). I thought those cars were all one color----sheet metal gray, the color of their stainless steel exterior.
This will another train wreck for all of us to watch unfold on TV.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I have been watching this man all week, and I honestly don't see him getting into the home, practicing a randsom note, writing one, sexually asulting her, killing her, and sneaking out! I think he loved her, or at least does now that she is famous. Yes, he is a pediphile, so that is why he is in love with her. a sick man yes....a murder of someone he loved the way he said he did...I really don't think so. And why would a stranger leave a randsom note, then kill the child? I still smell parents.
And the ransom note was demanding basically the same odd amount of money ($118,000) that Mr. Ramsey received as a work bonus that year, and even referred to his business.
This guy (Karr) is a sick creep, and obviously a pedofile, but I have a hard time believeing that he did this. In his mind he probably believes that he did, but I can't.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It was the amount that Mr. Ramsey had just received as a bonus.
This guy might be in it for the 15 minutes..........the family is already peddling the rights to his story to pay for a high-power lawyer and a college fund for his kids.
The locals from his hometown talked of his driving around in a red Deloren (sic?). I thought those cars were all one color----sheet metal gray, the color of their stainless steel exterior.
This will another train wreck for all of us to watch unfold on TV.
I find it amusing that all the news channels are coving this minute by minute when Iran is now bombing Iraq!?!?! WTF!
I find it amusing that all the news channels are coving this minute by minute when Iran is now bombing Iraq!?!?! WTF!
What?!???? Iran bombing Iraq........military action? From where did you gleam this info???
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
This case is not allowed to close ever. Entertainment News and Entertainment Media make soooo much moolah over this kid's death. It's been one of those stories they can count on when they come up dry with _important_ news.
We haven't heard from JonBenet's Mother's Hairdresser's Sister's Next Door Neighbour yet. ET better run that story soon before it's deemed redundant!
This case is not allowed to close ever. Entertainment News and Entertainment Media make soooo much moolah over this kid's death. It's been one of those stories they can count on when they come up dry with _important_ news.
We haven't heard from JonBenet's Mother's Hairdresser's Sister's Next Door Neighbour yet. ET better run that story soon before it's deemed redundant!
I know, classmates are going on the news with thier yearbooks. Are you the same person you were in high school. Not me!
What store asks for your chest size before they sell you a pair of pants? Nice look on the guy.
It will be good to see what becomes of the media circus and the trial if it gets that far. It would be funny if this guy gets persecuted with nary any evidence and OJ got off.
This guy (Karr) is a sick creep, and obviously a pedofile, but I have a hard time believeing that he did this. In his mind he probably believes that he did, but I can't.
Somethings just don't add up....he confesses....then he worries about how potential jurors would view him in a prision jumpsuit at his hearing in L.A.???
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
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I am speechless...After all these tears...
I'm guessing most of the parents on the child beauty pagent circuit are too shady.
Child beauty pagents are nothing less than creepy....
http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
"Hey, if God didn’t want me to wear it so much, he wouldn’t have made them rock so hard."
just hope they can make it stick.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Its like telling me they found Nicole Simpson's killer and it isn't OJ!
We'll see. My instincts are telling me this guy didn't do it.
Finally got that "One for the Thumb"!!! Got the "Six Pack". Now we're on a "Stairway to Seven"
Some words when spoken...can't be taken back.
"Seeing a brick wall straight ahead and stepping on the gas." Eddie...Pittsburgh 6/23/06
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
JonBenet Ramsey suspect 'so very sorry'
By ALISA TANG, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago
A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case. "I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he told The Associated Press.
John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.
"I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."
Later, as he was escorted to his guesthouse to pick up his belongings, he told the AP: "I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet. It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."
Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."
Karr also told the AP he contacted JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, before her death in June and that he wrote her letters about "many things." He said he hoped that she received the letters.
Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok guesthouse by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police.
He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that JonBenet died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional," Suwat said.
"He said he loved this child, that he was in love her. He said she was very pretty, a pageant queen. She was the school star, she was very cute and sweet," Suwat said.
Karr declined to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. Dressed in a turquoise polo shirt and khaki trousers, he appeared ashen with an expressionless look on his face.
An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.
JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996.
Wednesday's arrest was a surprise development in one of America's most lurid murder cases, which had left a cloud of suspicion over her family after years went by with no arrests. Some feared the case would never be solved.
Striking video images of the blonde-haired girl in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.
A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.
A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.
Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.
DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Lin Wood, the family's longtime attorney, said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not known whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr.
The Ramseys learned that police were investigating Karr at least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death in June of ovarian cancer, the family said.
In a statement Wednesday, father John Ramsey said that if his wife had lived to see Karr's arrest, she "would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."
Suwat quoted Karr as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.
Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.
Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.
"It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," said Wood, the family attorney.
"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood told MSNBC.
Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.
"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."
Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions."
Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.
Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.
Hurst, with the department's U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Bangkok, said that Karr had left the United States several years ago and had not returned.
The immigration and customs office had assisted the Boulder County District Attorney's Office and the Royal Thai Police in the investigation.
The suspect, who has been in Thailand five times over the past two years, was being detained by immigration police pending arrival of U.S. officials, Suwat said.
When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst responded, "We're asking the same questions."
Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style guesthouse called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.
The district attorney in Boulder, Mary Lacy, said the arrest followed several months of work.
She said Karr, who had traveled extensively across the world, may also be connected to a prior case in Santa Rosa County, Calif. She did not provide further details.
Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/jonbenet_ramsey_52
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
Don't be an idiot...
Everyone here knows that Jesus killed her.
"118,000 dollars... and 63 cents, or the girl gets it"!
Strange.
Bush listens to Jesus, so that's practically the same...
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...and this alleged killer (John Mark Kar ) is one slimey and creepy individual.
I have a hard time believing this guy commited this murder. But why is it I get the feeling he was involved in it, in some way?
This guy might be in it for the 15 minutes..........the family is already peddling the rights to his story to pay for a high-power lawyer and a college fund for his kids.
The locals from his hometown talked of his driving around in a red Deloren (sic?). I thought those cars were all one color----sheet metal gray, the color of their stainless steel exterior.
This will another train wreck for all of us to watch unfold on TV.
And the ransom note was demanding basically the same odd amount of money ($118,000) that Mr. Ramsey received as a work bonus that year, and even referred to his business.
This guy (Karr) is a sick creep, and obviously a pedofile, but I have a hard time believeing that he did this. In his mind he probably believes that he did, but I can't.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I find it amusing that all the news channels are coving this minute by minute when Iran is now bombing Iraq!?!?! WTF!
We haven't heard from JonBenet's Mother's Hairdresser's Sister's Next Door Neighbour yet. ET better run that story soon before it's deemed redundant!
My husband said it was in the newspaper. Now don't get your panties in an uproar, but it may be true. Who knows b/c f'n Karr is all over the news!
I know, classmates are going on the news with thier yearbooks. Are you the same person you were in high school. Not me!
It will be good to see what becomes of the media circus and the trial if it gets that far. It would be funny if this guy gets persecuted with nary any evidence and OJ got off.