So I finally saw Sicko....

smg9779

Great movie. I've always felt that there is something seriously wrong with a health care system that has care on one end and profits on the other.

Anyways. After seeing the film, I want to ask all opponents of universal health care why they feel the way they do. To me, we are the most powerful nation in the world, what is so hard about taking care of our own people? Well, I've said it many other time before so I'll say it again: seems like you have to be either ignorant ("everyone gets health insurance with their jobs!") or just a heartless prick ("I have health insurance, thats all that matters") to oppose a universal health care plan.

Commy

Its a basic concept.

Spend money on violence (the path we are on now) or spend money to save lives (the path they oppose with everythign they've got).

The US supplies the world with over 50% of its arms. THINK ABOUT THAT.

And we cant' 'afford' some operation for some 6 year old who needs medical attention? Fuck that system.

chopitdown

Commy wrote:

Its a basic concept.

Spend money on violence (the path we are on now) or spend money to save lives (the path they oppose with everythign they've got).

The US supplies the world with over 50% of its arms. THINK ABOUT THAT.

And we cant' 'afford' some operation for some 6 year old who needs medical attention? Fuck that system.

I actually think the basic concept is power. We want to display our power all over the world and be a leader but yet we won't take care of our issues at home (look at the biggest issue we tried to tackle domestically last year immigration, we can't even come to a conclusion on that to secure our borders). If we flex our muscle elsewhere more people see the US and it's power...if we just take care of our own people, then only those in the US can see what a great country we are. The US needs to take care of it's internal issues first (or at least make them a higher priority) and then help outside. I liken it to a family. You'd take care of your family if it was crumbling before you'd go help the guy 2 states over who was having problems...or at least IF you took care of your family first you'd be a whole lot better off to help the other guy.

firstquartermoon

Commy wrote:

Its a basic concept.

Spend money on violence (the path we are on now) or spend money to save lives (the path they oppose with everythign they've got).

The US supplies the world with over 50% of its arms. THINK ABOUT THAT.

And we cant' 'afford' some operation for some 6 year old who needs medical attention? Fuck that system.

Don't you support Ron Pau? Isn't he against anything federally funded?


Anyway, on topic, I think universal healthcare is a good idea. In fact, every other developed nation has it, except us.

know1

firstquartermoon wrote:

Don't you support Ron Pau? Isn't he against anything federally funded?


Anyway, on topic, I think universal healthcare is a good idea. In fact, every other developed nation has it, except us.

I still maintain that the concept of health insurance is the root of the problem. Get rid of that and we start seeing changes.

my2hands

Commy wrote:

Its a basic concept.

Spend money on violence (the path we are on now) or spend money to save lives (the path they oppose with everythign they've got).

The US supplies the world with over 50% of its arms. THINK ABOUT THAT.

And we cant' 'afford' some operation for some 6 year old who needs medical attention? Fuck that system.

i couldnt agree more... it really is that simple


fuck that system

writersu

smg9779 wrote:

Great movie. I've always felt that there is something seriously wrong with a health care system that has care on one end and profits on the other.

Anyways. After seeing the film, I want to ask all opponents of universal health care why they feel the way they do. To me, we are the most powerful nation in the world, what is so hard about taking care of our own people? Well, I've said it many other time before so I'll say it again: seems like you have to be either ignorant ("everyone gets health insurance with their jobs!") or just a heartless prick ("I have health insurance, thats all that matters") to oppose a universal health care plan.

I agree. I have state health care and in some states that is a right not a privilege and sometimes when I have gone to a new doctor the bitch receptionist will say some stupid remark like, "oh, we don't accept public aid", like I am some loser or something.
I didn't see the movie and I really don't know whether or not I will, but I agree 100% that it is fucked up to say that we should not have national universal healthcare because then to be sick and treated is a luxury? That is messed up.
How do we change that? Do you think it could be changed?

callen

smg9779 wrote:

Great movie. I've always felt that there is something seriously wrong with a health care system that has care on one end and profits on the other.

Anyways. After seeing the film, I want to ask all opponents of universal health care why they feel the way they do. To me, we are the most powerful nation in the world, what is so hard about taking care of our own people? Well, I've said it many other time before so I'll say it again: seems like you have to be either ignorant ("everyone gets health insurance with their jobs!") or just a heartless prick ("I have health insurance, thats all that matters") to oppose a universal health care plan.

comes down to prejudice, have's and haves not (this of course includes big business running this country), and failure to go at the root of immigration reform....go after the employers.....but that won't happen.

callen

writersu wrote:

I agree. I have state health care and in some states that is a right not a privilege and sometimes when I have gone to a new doctor the bitch receptionist will say some stupid remark like, "oh, we don't accept public aid", like I am some loser or something.
I didn't see the movie and I really don't know whether or not I will, but I agree 100% that it is fucked up to say that we should not have national universal healthcare because then to be sick and treated is a luxury? That is messed up.
How do we change that? Do you think it could be changed?

it is funny...even if you don't agree with the message....

callen

know1 wrote:

I still maintain that the concept of health insurance is the root of the problem. Get rid of that and we start seeing changes.

please elaborate

ajedigecko

i just saw it this week also.....and i am completely lost. we have in place several socialized programs; police, fire department, education, and postal service.

why not health? is it simply about money?

writersu

callen wrote:

it is funny...even if you don't agree with the message....

what's funny about it? Just curious........

Kel Varnsen

ajedigecko wrote:

i just saw it this week also.....and i am completely lost. we have in place several socialized programs; police, fire department, education, and postal service.

why not health? is it simply about money?

That's what I never understood. One of the biggest arguments people seem to make against universal health care is something like "I work hard and can pay for my health insurance, why should I pay for other people as well". But how come no one ever says "I work hard and can afford to put my house out if it is on fire, why should I pay to put out other people's fires as well."?

callen

writersu wrote:

what's funny about it? Just curious........

being sarcastic?

have you seen it?

....looking for the cashier window at hospital....
which finger do you want to save....wife decided....

just two examples.

ajedigecko

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That's what I never understood. One of the biggest arguments people seem to make against universal health care is something like "I work hard and can pay for my health insurance, why should I pay for other people as well". But how come no one ever says "I work hard and can afford to put my house out if it is on fire, why should I pay to put out other people's fires as well."?

so are we "stupid" together?

writersu

ajedigecko wrote:

i just saw it this week also.....and i am completely lost. we have in place several socialized programs; police, fire department, education, and postal service.

why not health? is it simply about money?

I think so. Each of my four kids were born at the same hospital which was also a "teaching facility" which meant that residents could work along physicians to get their final training. It was all overseen by established physicians so in no way was it dangerous (I was worried until I got seen when they first told me about it).

So the first baby I had I was covered by health insurance and the second and third I was not but the fourth I again had coverage.

So anyway, my point is (thanks for your patience) was that when I received the statement that just broke down the charges the provider discount was HUGE. And I do mean HUGE. Thousands of dollars difference I am talking about here.
So, it's like if the average person has no health insurance then that means that they may not have money to purchase it (it is a ton of money to purchase on your own), and yet you would be charged thousands of dollars more than if you had it? How could you afford to pay the hospital or doctor all of that money?
Yeah, I think it is about money.

I am currently attending college for billing and coding specialist......

writersu

callen wrote:

being sarcastic?

have you seen it?

....looking for the cashier window at hospital....
which finger do you want to save....wife decided....

just two examples.

oh, so like irony funny? Cause I like irony funny.

loved Napoleon Dynamite.........

ajedigecko

writersu wrote:

I think so. Each of my four kids were born at the same hospital which was also a "teaching facility" which meant that residents could work along physicians to get their final training. It was all overseen by established physicians so in no way was it dangerous (I was worried until I got seen when they first told me about it).

So the first baby I had I was covered by health insurance and the second and third I was not but the fourth I again had coverage.

So anyway, my point is (thanks for your patience) was that when I received the statement that just broke down the charges the provider discount was HUGE. And I do mean HUGE. Thousands of dollars difference I am talking about here.
So, it's like if the average person has no health insurance then that means that they may not have money to purchase it (it is a ton of money to purchase on your own), and yet you would be charged thousands of dollars more than if you had it? How could you afford to pay the hospital or doctor all of that money?
Yeah, I think it is about money.

I am currently attending college for billing and coding specialist......

yes...when my daughter was born it would have cost 30K? i can not imagine paying that off. luckily the socialized lifestyle i live payed bills.

me and my wife now realize we are socialists.

callen

writersu wrote:

oh, so like irony funny? Cause I like irony funny.

loved Napoleon Dynamite.........

exactly......

saw it in crowded theater....crowd was constantly breaking up...

writersu

callen wrote:

exactly......

saw it in crowded theater....crowd was constantly breaking up...

maybe I will see it.......but does he bash the national government or the state government?

Kel Varnsen

ajedigecko wrote:

yes...when my daughter was born it would have cost 30K? i can not imagine paying that off. luckily the socialized lifestyle i live payed bills.

me and my wife now realize we are socialists.

Wow that is kind of scary. Money shouldn't be a factor in people avoiding medical care. If somone is sick, or thinks they are sick they should have access, since if they are sick and it is serious it is going to get to a point where they probably won't have a choice but to go to a hospital.