So I finally saw Sicko....
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Great movie. I've always felt that there is something seriously wrong with a health care system that has care on one end and profits on the other.
Anyways. After seeing the film, I want to ask all opponents of universal health care why they feel the way they do. To me, we are the most powerful nation in the world, what is so hard about taking care of our own people? Well, I've said it many other time before so I'll say it again: seems like you have to be either ignorant ("everyone gets health insurance with their jobs!") or just a heartless prick ("I have health insurance, thats all that matters") to oppose a universal health care plan.
Anyways. After seeing the film, I want to ask all opponents of universal health care why they feel the way they do. To me, we are the most powerful nation in the world, what is so hard about taking care of our own people? Well, I've said it many other time before so I'll say it again: seems like you have to be either ignorant ("everyone gets health insurance with their jobs!") or just a heartless prick ("I have health insurance, thats all that matters") to oppose a universal health care plan.
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Spend money on violence (the path we are on now) or spend money to save lives (the path they oppose with everythign they've got).
The US supplies the world with over 50% of its arms. THINK ABOUT THAT.
And we cant' 'afford' some operation for some 6 year old who needs medical attention? Fuck that system.
I actually think the basic concept is power. We want to display our power all over the world and be a leader but yet we won't take care of our issues at home (look at the biggest issue we tried to tackle domestically last year immigration, we can't even come to a conclusion on that to secure our borders). If we flex our muscle elsewhere more people see the US and it's power...if we just take care of our own people, then only those in the US can see what a great country we are. The US needs to take care of it's internal issues first (or at least make them a higher priority) and then help outside. I liken it to a family. You'd take care of your family if it was crumbling before you'd go help the guy 2 states over who was having problems...or at least IF you took care of your family first you'd be a whole lot better off to help the other guy.
Don't you support Ron Pau? Isn't he against anything federally funded?
Anyway, on topic, I think universal healthcare is a good idea. In fact, every other developed nation has it, except us.
I still maintain that the concept of health insurance is the root of the problem. Get rid of that and we start seeing changes.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i couldnt agree more... it really is that simple
fuck that system
I agree. I have state health care and in some states that is a right not a privilege and sometimes when I have gone to a new doctor the bitch receptionist will say some stupid remark like, "oh, we don't accept public aid", like I am some loser or something.
I didn't see the movie and I really don't know whether or not I will, but I agree 100% that it is fucked up to say that we should not have national universal healthcare because then to be sick and treated is a luxury? That is messed up.
How do we change that? Do you think it could be changed?
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comes down to prejudice, have's and haves not (this of course includes big business running this country), and failure to go at the root of immigration reform....go after the employers.....but that won't happen.
why not health? is it simply about money?
what's funny about it? Just curious........
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That's what I never understood. One of the biggest arguments people seem to make against universal health care is something like "I work hard and can pay for my health insurance, why should I pay for other people as well". But how come no one ever says "I work hard and can afford to put my house out if it is on fire, why should I pay to put out other people's fires as well."?
have you seen it?
....looking for the cashier window at hospital....
which finger do you want to save....wife decided....
just two examples.
I think so. Each of my four kids were born at the same hospital which was also a "teaching facility" which meant that residents could work along physicians to get their final training. It was all overseen by established physicians so in no way was it dangerous (I was worried until I got seen when they first told me about it).
So the first baby I had I was covered by health insurance and the second and third I was not but the fourth I again had coverage.
So anyway, my point is (thanks for your patience) was that when I received the statement that just broke down the charges the provider discount was HUGE. And I do mean HUGE. Thousands of dollars difference I am talking about here.
So, it's like if the average person has no health insurance then that means that they may not have money to purchase it (it is a ton of money to purchase on your own), and yet you would be charged thousands of dollars more than if you had it? How could you afford to pay the hospital or doctor all of that money?
Yeah, I think it is about money.
I am currently attending college for billing and coding specialist......
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oh, so like irony funny? Cause I like irony funny.
loved Napoleon Dynamite.........
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me and my wife now realize we are socialists.
saw it in crowded theater....crowd was constantly breaking up...
maybe I will see it.......but does he bash the national government or the state government?
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Wow that is kind of scary. Money shouldn't be a factor in people avoiding medical care. If somone is sick, or thinks they are sick they should have access, since if they are sick and it is serious it is going to get to a point where they probably won't have a choice but to go to a hospital.
....not sure if you've seen any of his other movies...they're all written as sarcastic comedies...and are really funny.
oh when I asked you if you were being sarcastic...duh...didn't pay attention that you just said you hadn't seen it yet...sorry.
how is it in Canada? There has been times I have heard of when people have died because they weren't helped at hospitals. I am not sure if they were years ago or not, but I have heard of it.
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Yea, like no more hospitals.
The money has to come from somewhere. Until we live in a eutopian society where everything is free, the universal healthcare is still be best option.
ok, so I WIN the Have No Life Contest!!!!!!!!
yeah, me!!!!!!!!
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still don't think I would feel safe without hospitals but I would like to see them look at prices........
you know, I just thought of it.....there is a woman I know whose husband is an anesthesiologist, and he said that his insurance he has to hold against malpractice is huge. If we had healthcare that was national, maybe the doctors would be more protected as well?
what do you think?
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It could be better but it is not as bad as some people make it out to be. If you got to a clinic you can some times wait up to an hour (maybe 2) if you don't have an appointment (although if it is not busy you won't have to wait at all). If you go to an ER for something life threatening typically I don't think you have to wait, but you will if they determine your injury is non-life threatening and it is busy. There is lots of talk about how a large portion of the population doesn't have a regular family doctor. Personally I don't have a family doctor, not because of any kind of shortage, but because I am in good health, and am too lazy to find one, since the odd time I need a doctor I am fine with a clinic. So I think those figures are exaggerated.
There is also a lot of talk about long wait time for optional surgery. Like if you need shoulder or hip surgery because of an injury you sometimes have to wait quite awhile. This is unfortunate (especially with our aging population) but it more due to our small population and not enough medical schools. A similar problem is that people that don’t live in major cities sometimes have trouble getting doctors to live in their towns. The governments are trying to address this, I know new medical schools are opening up, including some away from major urban areas, to increase the number of doctors as well as the number in outlying areas.
The extra cost of malpractice lawsuits accounts for some of the difference in health spending in the two countries. In Canada the total cost of settlements, legal fees, and insurance comes to $4 per person each year, but in the United States it is $16.[67] Average payouts to American plaintiffs were $265,103, while payouts to Canadian plaintiffs were somewhat higher, averaging $309,417.[68] However, malpractice suits are far more common in the U.S., with 350% more suits filed each year per person. [67] While malpractice costs are significantly higher in the U.S., they make up only a small proportion of total medical spending. The total cost of defending and settling malpractice lawsuits in the U.S. in 2001 was approximately $6.5bn, or 0.46% of total health spending.[69] Critics say that defensive medicine consumes up to 9% of American healthcare expenses.[70][71] In the same year in Canada, the total burden of malpractice suits was $237 million, or 0.27% of total health spending.[67]
emphasis mine...but i think the biggest difference is what's bolded.
that is true even here, to a degree I think.
er's do that here and it does make sense that if the staff is preoccupied with other people who are in serious danger that they should be helped before my with the possible exception of maybe some strictly on staff pediatric dr's/staff to help kids because they freak out totally when they have to wait and watch all the scary stuff there.
it sounds like your healthcare is working
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