Superdome!?!

ryan198

dg1979us wrote:

But are a lot of these issues even NFL related, or society related? A lot of networks capitalized off the emotions of 9.11, a lot of newscasts have attractive women, a lot of events sing the national anthem. So now my question would be, cant you get mostly similar answers by studying the media in general, or another aspect of society? When it comes down to it, the NFL is an entertainment industry, and we have had an Oliver Stone 9.11 film, the ABC movie, etc. I think what you are doing is interesting and I have certainly never watched games from this aspect, however, in the questions you have raised on here (which I know is just off the top of your head stuff), I think you could observe other aspects of society and get pretty much the same answers. Everything that goes on around the game is really no different than any other news, media, or entertainment outlet. They all just play off societies emotions towards tragedy, and allure towards attractive women, etc etc.

EXACTLY ... that's the society of the spectacle. Anyway that's what my class argues it's call Sport and Society. It's all interrelated, I just try to argue and articulate the ways that it changes, inspires, conspires, etc. with society and as a result of society.

dg1979us

ryan198 wrote:

EXACTLY ... that's the society of the spectacle. Anyway that's what my class argues it's call Sport and Society. It's all interrelated, I just try to argue and articulate the ways that it changes, inspires, conspires, etc. with society and as a result of society.

Well interesting stuff, but come on be honest, sometimes you just watch the games because football kicks ass?

Pacomc79

But I already detailed what I thought of Tom Benson.....

in any case, do you also study other forms of entertainment on society like music concerts for instance?

people watching is faciniating for me, I love studying and breaking down social constructs to see why they tick.

ryan198

dg1979us wrote:

Well interesting stuff, but come on be honest, sometimes you just watch the games because football kicks ass?

You know how when in the Matrix Neo started seeing the green lines of code? That's kinda how I look at football now. Sure I derive some entertainment from it, but it's hard to divorce it from the stuff I've learned. Lot's of times students will come up to me and say "You've ruined sports for me b/c I can never look at them the same again." I guess once you see the Matrix it's hard to go back all the way.

ryan198

Pacomc79 wrote:

But I already detailed what I thought of Tom Benson.....

in any case, do you also study other forms of entertainment on society like music concerts for instance?

people watching is faciniating for me, I love studying and breaking down social constructs to see why they tick.

Yes I take a lot of liberty with the word Society so we have a song of the week for instance, which is related to the lecture (and changes from semester to semester). So far we've had:
Week 1: Introduction (Kinda What I've Outlined) Sleater-Kinney "Entertain"
Week 2: Sport and Neoliberalism Black Star "Thieves in the Night"
Week 3: Sport and Class Pearl Jam "Unemployed"

In my own research, I've done an ethnography of the Little League World Series, discourse analysis on Danny Almonte, Neoliberalism and Red Sox Nation, and ... researched the VFC Tour, but since Kerry didn't win the thrust of my argument (that Kerry's winning would exact any real change in American society) didn't come to fruitioin.

macgyver06

dg1979us wrote:

The superdome also brings in a lot of business and money to the city. So I agree it sounds bad to spend that much to fix the superdome and not concentrate on other areas of the city, but you have to keep in mind the money the superdome generates for the city, through not only football, but conventions and things of that nature

GOOD JOB! 185 million is not alot of money compared to the revenue it will bring for the city and morale.

macgyver06

ryan198 wrote:

I have a BA in Sport Management and an MA in Sport Commerce and Culture and in every recent peer reviewed research article the city rarely, at BEST, makes any money off a stadium, particularly in the way the owners get tax cuts, public subsidies, etc. It's an extreme fallacy that a sporting stadium is a good thing for a city, especially in the recent past.

This post is an extreme fallacy, with no support on numbers or percentages.
and also you do not seem to think about tourism, community, players in the community. And the romantic ideal in children growing up in the city. You are wrong.

Also keep in mind stating you have degrees before a post doesn't mean anything. Facts supercede degrees.

tybird

ryan198 wrote:

I have a BA in Sport Management and an MA in Sport Commerce and Culture and in every recent peer reviewed research article the city rarely, at BEST, makes any money off a stadium, particularly in the way the owners get tax cuts, public subsidies, etc. It's an extreme fallacy that a sporting stadium is a good thing for a city, especially in the recent past.

You may be comparing apples to oranges.....the current wave of stadiums are generally one-trick ponies. You play football in them or you play baseball in them etc....the city/state finances for a private concern. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Superdome belongs to either the city or the state not the Saints. They are just one of the tennants. Tulane University plays at the dome, and prior to 2005 it hosted two college bowls. It also hosted the Bayou Classic, a big dollar game between predominately black college teams. Throw in concerts and conventions, and you have a true multi-purpose facility. It is not a stadium like the ones in Baltimore (baseball only/football only) or a FedEx Field in D.C.

macgyver06

tybird wrote:

You may be comparing apples to oranges.....the current wave of stadiums are generally one-trick ponies. You play football in them or you play baseball in them etc....the city/state finances for a private concern. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Superdome belongs to either the city or the state not the Saints. They are just one of the tennants. Tulane University plays at the dome, and prior to 2005 it hosted two college bowls. It also hosted the Bayou Classic, a big dollar game between predominately black college teams. Throw in concerts and conventions, and you have a true multi-purpose facility. It is not a stadium like the ones in Baltimore (baseball only/football only) or a FedEx Field in D.C.

even 1 trick ponies though are good for the city and mankind in general. No tonly in the money it draws, but in emotions. Theres more good than bad i believe. and No one can say Camden Yards isn't impressive looking. These are works of art in a way and that alone should be embraced by the city.

macgyver06

imagine people trying to explain to students 3000 years from now what all these baseball stadiums are and why the hell one of them has a hill in the outfield.

tybird

macgyver06 wrote:

even 1 trick ponies though are good for the city and mankind in general. No tonly in the money it draws, but in emotions. Theres more good than bad i believe. and No one can say Camden Yards isn't impressive looking. These are works of art in a way and that alone should be embraced by the city.

I see your point in regards to the one trick pony stadiums.....it's easy to see the emotional impact of a sports franchise when you live in a city that lacks the identity that sports teams sometimes bring to a metro area, the "major league" effect.

Actually, I was pointing how ryan198 argument about how cities don't make off of stadiums is probably not the case in the argument surrounding the Superdome.

sonicreducer

macgyver06 wrote:

imagine people trying to explain to students 3000 years from now what all these baseball stadiums are and why the hell one of them has a hill in the outfield.

that hill would be much cooler if the centerfielder would take a nap on it.