Superdome!?!

ryan198

On MNF they just said that it cost $185 million to renovate that stadium...where are our priorities again?

Purple Hawk

This is a good point...

All the Wal Mart posts here should be replaced by NFL posts...the greediest sons of bitches in the country. Billionaires dupe the public into funding their palaces....this is not capitalism. Build it yourself...The NFL is a joke, they hike up cable rates because of their idiotic NFL channel, black out games for people that live hundreds of miles from the stadium...they can't hire competent officials, and they hire hacks to analyze the games.

I seriously can't believe such a joke of an organization is as popular as it is.

ryan198

It's also one of the most successful even though it follows a 'huh' communist or socialist model of money sharing. You are right it should be on here just as much as Wal-Mart.

sonicreducer

people need their fix,... it's too bad no one is cool enough to get people fixed on something more productive than distracting high school athletes from an education.


totally overgeneralized, but you get the picture,...

Purple Hawk

sonicreducer wrote:

people need their fix,... it's too bad no one is cool enough to get people fixed on something more productive than distracting high school athletes from an education.


totally overgeneralized, but you get the picture,...

Yeah, that's not the point I'm making. I think sports is important for some kids...but there are obivous problems and corruption, but playing sports is a really good learning experience for some.

in terms of the NFL, I resent the league...and I've been following it since I was five. I've decided to stop buying Bills tickets since I paid for upgrades to the stadium through taxes. My parents live 200 miles from Buffalo, but can't watch the games if they aren't sold out. blah...i have to stop otherwise I'm going to start sounding WAYYYY too much like my grandfather

dg1979us

ryan198 wrote:

On MNF they just said that it cost $185 million to renovate that stadium...where are our priorities again?

The superdome also brings in a lot of business and money to the city. So I agree it sounds bad to spend that much to fix the superdome and not concentrate on other areas of the city, but you have to keep in mind the money the superdome generates for the city, through not only football, but conventions and things of that nature

ryan198

dg1979us wrote:

The superdome also brings in a lot of business and money to the city. So I agree it sounds bad to spend that much to fix the superdome and not concentrate on other areas of the city, but you have to keep in mind the money the superdome generates for the city, through not only football, but conventions and things of that nature

I have a BA in Sport Management and an MA in Sport Commerce and Culture and in every recent peer reviewed research article the city rarely, at BEST, makes any money off a stadium, particularly in the way the owners get tax cuts, public subsidies, etc. It's an extreme fallacy that a sporting stadium is a good thing for a city, especially in the recent past.

dg1979us

ryan198 wrote:

I have a BA in Sport Management and an MA in Sport Commerce and Culture and in every recent peer reviewed research article the city rarely, at BEST, makes any money off a stadium, particularly in the way the owners get tax cuts, public subsidies, etc. It's an extreme fallacy that a sporting stadium is a good thing for a city, especially in the recent past.

Does that take into consideration the tourists who will stay in hotels, go to restaurants, go shopping etc? New Orleans was a pretty big tourist town, and the Superdome has the saints obviously, usually gets a superbowl every 5 or 6 years or so, hosts college basketball tournaments including the final 4 every few years, the sugar bowl every year. The superdome isnt your average stadium. There arent any other stadiums in the country that hold the type of sporting events like the superdome did. And I would suspect that these events bring in a lot of tourists into the city. I dont have any type of statistics Im just making a guess, but I cant see a city always wanting these types of huge events if they werent good for the city.

ryan198

dg1979us wrote:

Does that take into consideration the tourists who will stay in hotels, go to restaurants, go shopping etc? New Orleans was a pretty big tourist town, and the Superdome has the saints obviously, usually gets a superbowl every 5 or 6 years or so, hosts college basketball tournaments including the final 4 every few years, the sugar bowl every year. The superdome isnt your average stadium. There arent any other stadiums in the country that hold the type of sporting events like the superdome did. And I would suspect that these events bring in a lot of tourists into the city. I dont have any type of statistics Im just making a guess, but I cant see a city always wanting these types of huge events if they werent good for the city.

You would think that it would work for the public good, that's the common belief anyway, but in reality the town doesn't really get much out of it except for a few seasonal jobs. The people who really make the money are the owners of the stadiums, the shops, etc. So, in effect, very few people make a whole bunch of money and the people who paid for it, the taxpayers, get not so much.

Purple Hawk

ryan198 wrote:

I have a BA in Sport Management and an MA in Sport Commerce and Culture and in every recent peer reviewed research article the city rarely, at BEST, makes any money off a stadium, particularly in the way the owners get tax cuts, public subsidies, etc. It's an extreme fallacy that a sporting stadium is a good thing for a city, especially in the recent past.

I would be interested in reading those articles....They would give me ammunition. I can't see how the "tourist attractions" of these stadiums overcome taxpayer expense...REGRESSIVE taxes on top of it.

I am VERY pro-capitalist, but the NFL is not capitalist. Instead, you have billionaire owners manipulating people into paying for their buisinesses. It's disgusting that cigarette and aclohol taxes go towards building these sports palaces.

What's worse, is that they can't hire competent officials.

dg1979us

ryan198 wrote:

You would think that it would work for the public good, that's the common belief anyway, but in reality the town doesn't really get much out of it except for a few seasonal jobs. The people who really make the money are the owners of the stadiums, the shops, etc. So, in effect, very few people make a whole bunch of money and the people who paid for it, the taxpayers, get not so much.

But the tax payers are also the local business owners and workers who benefit from the tourists and such. I certainly think you are probably right about most stadiums, but like I said, there is not another venue in the country that gets as many huge sporting events as the Superdome.

dg1979us

Purple Hawk wrote:

I would be interested in reading those articles....They would give me ammunition. I can't see how the "tourist attractions" of these stadiums overcome taxpayer expense...REGRESSIVE taxes on top of it.

I am VERY pro-capitalist, but the NFL is not capitalist. Instead, you have billionaire owners manipulating people into paying for their buisinesses. It's disgusting that cigarette and aclohol taxes go towards building these sports palaces.

What's worse, is that they can't hire competent officials.

The superdome is used for much more than just the NFL though.

Purple Hawk

dg1979us wrote:

But the tax payers are also the local business owners and workers who benefit from the tourists and such. I certainly think you are probably right about most stadiums, but like I said, there is not another venue in the country that gets as many huge sporting events as the Superdome.

I don't know about you, but I go to the Big easy for some hurricains and....*use your imagination*...not for the saints. New Orleans has plenty of other attractions that bring in the tourist dollars, and they aren't funded by taxpayers.

dg1979us

Purple Hawk wrote:

I don't know about you, but I go to the Big easy for some hurricains and....*use your imagination*...not for the saints. New Orleans has plenty of other attractions that bring in the tourist dollars, and they aren't funded by taxpayers.

I dont disagree but if you dont think the final four, superbowl, Sugar bowl etc generate shit loads of tourists then your crazy.

Purple Hawk

dg1979us wrote:

I dont disagree but if you dont think the final four, superbowl, Sugar bowl etc generate shit loads of tourists then your crazy.

I'm interested in seeing those articles because we can debate this allnight, but i'm interested in the facts, do taxpayers actually see a profit, or a deficit? ryan seems to know the field, and scientific research always trumps opinions

ryan198

If you can get to the library or you are in college and have an online resource called Ebsco then find SportDiscuss... type in a search for camdenization or Friedman, Andrews, Silk (200x) (I believe it was in Sociology of Sport Journal) they talk about how the resurgance of Baltimore through sport/harbor renovation is just a clever trick to show that the city has revitalized even though it hasnt. At the end of that they'll have a ton of references which can lead you to the right places. If you don't find it by tommorow I'll post again on this thread...nice talking to everyone again.

dg1979us

Purple Hawk wrote:

I'm interested in seeing those articles because we can debate this allnight, but i'm interested in the facts, do taxpayers actually see a profit, or a deficit? ryan seems to know the field, and scientific research always trumps opinions

But I think Ryan was talking about stadiums in general, and the superdome is not your average stadium.

Purple Hawk

dg1979us wrote:

But I think Ryan was talking about stadiums in general, and the superdome is not your average stadium.

I think if there's a profit to be had, private investors would be knocking down the door. Don't see why the public needs to fund this kind of stuff.

dg1979us

Purple Hawk wrote:

I think if there's a profit to be had, private investors would be knocking down the door. Don't see why the public needs to fund this kind of stuff.

Well Im not totally disagreeing and I certainly understand the point that perhaps other areas should be rebuilt before an entertainment venue. But, if that venue provides revenue to the city because of the tourists and people it attracts, who will also spend money in other areas of the city then I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing. New Orleans isnt going to recover if it has no way of generating income. And I would suspect the tourist industry was a large part of the economy.

Purple Hawk

dg1979us wrote:

Well Im not totally disagreeing and I certainly understand the point that perhaps other areas should be rebuilt before an entertainment venue. But, if that venue provides revenue to the city because of the tourists and people it attracts, who will also spend money in other areas of the city then I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing. New Orleans isnt going to recover if it has no way of generating income. And I would suspect the tourist industry was a large part of the economy.

Like I said, we could debate this all night. My guess is that Bourbon street is the main attraction in NO. and they don't depend on taxpayer dollars. I just think that private business should build their own homes.

Purple Hawk

ryan198 wrote:

If you can get to the library or you are in college and have an online resource called Ebsco then find SportDiscuss... type in a search for camdenization or Friedman, Andrews, Silk (200x) (I believe it was in Sociology of Sport Journal) they talk about how the resurgance of Baltimore through sport/harbor renovation is just a clever trick to show that the city has revitalized even though it hasnt. At the end of that they'll have a ton of references which can lead you to the right places. If you don't find it by tommorow I'll post again on this thread...nice talking to everyone again.

Ill check it out..thanks. I'm sure we have access here. definately of personal interest.