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ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
Today I was watching ESPN and saw Tim Hardaway's comments about John Ameche coming out as gay. Eventually his interviewer Dan Lebatard got him to come out and say "I hate gay people". At first I was upset, and pissed at Hardaway for being such an idiot...and I still am to an extent. However, what does Dan Lebatard or myself, or anyone of us gain from knowing that Hardaway is an idiot? Does that make us better than him? Does Lebatard getting Hardaway to say that make Lebatard a better person? Will this mean more human rights for homosexuals? Or does it just confirm the fact that gay basketball players do not want to come out, b/c many of their teammates may feel like Hardaway but keep quiet about it to the press? In other words, does pointing out the obvious, in this case 'that homophobia exists in the NBA' really do anything to make this world a better place? I think quite contrarilily that this is part of the spectacle, that it's just a way for ESPN to capitalize on John Ameche for this few days of speaking about homosexuality in the NBA, then they will forget him tommorow and move onto T.O. or Bobby Knight or whomever will get them the most viewers. Thoughts anyone?
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    It's not really a sportswriters' place to make the world a better place.

    Occasionally, it can be a sportswriters' place to explain the world. Which is what LeBatard did in this instance.

    Wanna know why gay NBA players don't come out? Because most of the heterosexual ones think like Tim Hardaway.
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  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    people hold professional athletes in very high regards...unintelligently...this proves that tim hardaway is a slime ball - there is no reason for anyone to look up to him...but, people did before...why? because he lives in that world where he is special because he's rich and talented at ONE thing...good for him - i would spit on him if i saw him
    ryan198 wrote:
    Today I was watching ESPN and saw Tim Hardaway's comments about John Ameche coming out as gay. Eventually his interviewer Dan Lebatard got him to come out and say "I hate gay people". At first I was upset, and pissed at Hardaway for being such an idiot...and I still am to an extent. However, what does Dan Lebatard or myself, or anyone of us gain from knowing that Hardaway is an idiot? Does that make us better than him? Does Lebatard getting Hardaway to say that make Lebatard a better person? Will this mean more human rights for homosexuals? Or does it just confirm the fact that gay basketball players do not want to come out, b/c many of their teammates may feel like Hardaway but keep quiet about it to the press? In other words, does pointing out the obvious, in this case 'that homophobia exists in the NBA' really do anything to make this world a better place? I think quite contrarilily that this is part of the spectacle, that it's just a way for ESPN to capitalize on John Ameche for this few days of speaking about homosexuality in the NBA, then they will forget him tommorow and move onto T.O. or Bobby Knight or whomever will get them the most viewers. Thoughts anyone?
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ryan198 wrote:
    Today I was watching ESPN and saw Tim Hardaway's comments about John Ameche coming out as gay. Eventually his interviewer Dan Lebatard got him to come out and say "I hate gay people". At first I was upset, and pissed at Hardaway for being such an idiot...and I still am to an extent. However, what does Dan Lebatard or myself, or anyone of us gain from knowing that Hardaway is an idiot? Does that make us better than him? Does Lebatard getting Hardaway to say that make Lebatard a better person? Will this mean more human rights for homosexuals? Or does it just confirm the fact that gay basketball players do not want to come out, b/c many of their teammates may feel like Hardaway but keep quiet about it to the press? In other words, does pointing out the obvious, in this case 'that homophobia exists in the NBA' really do anything to make this world a better place? I think quite contrarilily that this is part of the spectacle, that it's just a way for ESPN to capitalize on John Ameche for this few days of speaking about homosexuality in the NBA, then they will forget him tommorow and move onto T.O. or Bobby Knight or whomever will get them the most viewers. Thoughts anyone?

    You lost me at "us lefties."

    believe it or not, us right wing whackos hate homophobia just as much as you lefties.

    No other network obsesses about skin color, sexuality, or anything else, than does ESPN. Yet they don't have a problem with capitalism. They are the phoniest of the phony. That is what was brilliant about the Rush Limbaugh comment last week, and the idiotic response by peter king.

    in short, my thoughts, the sports media should stick to sports, b/c they really aren't that smart when it comes to sports, and even dumber when it comes to issues of social justice.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
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    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I don't know who Tim Hardaway is.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't know who Tim Hardaway is.

    fuck no you don't, you cracker-ass, pasty bitch white boy!
    I'll dig a tunnel
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't know who Tim Hardaway is.

    He was an all-star guard for the Golden State Warriors back in the 1990s. Part of the Warriors' famed Run TMC backcourt (Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin).

    They never accomplished jack squat.

    Chris Mullin turned out to be an alcoholic. but not gay.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't know who Tim Hardaway is.

    Tim Hardaway is a very intelligent, main-stream, articulate and very clean black guy.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't know who Tim Hardaway is.

    I think she was Blanche...the "diva" of the golden girls.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • hodgehodge Posts: 519
    he had a killer crossover, i'll give him that
    ..and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Tim Hardaway is a very intelligent, main-stream, articulate and very clean black guy.

    would you see him in a dunkin donuts? are people like tim hardaway cleaner than dunkin donuts workers? there's gotta be some funding for such a study.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    You lost me at "us lefties."

    believe it or not, us right wing whackos hate homophobia just as much as you lefties.

    No other network obsesses about skin color, sexuality, or anything else, than does ESPN. Yet they don't have a problem with capitalism. They are the phoniest of the phony. That is what was brilliant about the Rush Limbaugh comment last week, and the idiotic response by peter king.

    in short, my thoughts, the sports media should stick to sports, b/c they really aren't that smart when it comes to sports, and even dumber when it comes to issues of social justice.


    Case in point... Sportscenter just signed off with "Tune into Mike and Mike in the morning for the response to Tim Hardaway's comments from John Amaechi!" Followed by heavy panting...

    Amazing they've already lined this up huh?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    would you see him in a dunkin donuts? are people like tim hardaway cleaner than dunkin donuts workers? there's gotta be some funding for such a study.

    Somewhere a lobbyist is salivating.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    I really thought this thread was for left handed people.






    Carry on.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I think she was Blanche...the "diva" of the golden girls.


    best answer. 10 points.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    cutback wrote:
    I really thought this thread was for left handed people.






    Carry on.

    ME TOO



    carrying on...
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    from my window to yours
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    best answer. 10 points.

    as if you're capable of determining that ;)
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    from my window to yours
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    best answer. 10 points.

    believe it or not, all four golden girls are still alive...that's impressive to me.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    believe it or not, all four golden girls are still alive...that's impressive to me.

    Although Estelle Getty is so out of it, she thinks she's Ernest Borgnine
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/amachiebook.jpg

    :p
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  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    believe it or not, all four golden girls are still alive...that's impressive to me.


    Believe it or not I used to watch the Golden Girls. Not because my grandmother watched it, but because I enjoyed it. :o
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Although Estelle Getty is so out of it, she thinks she's Ernest Borgnine


    I dunno...I know that I watched the show what...20 years ago? the woman was 84 then and she's 84 now...damnit....i'm not gonna pick a fight with that.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Believe it or not I used to watch the Golden Girls. Not because my grandmother watched it, but because I enjoyed it. :o

    my grandmother was all about her stories....not a big fan of her stories until susan lucci came along :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    as if you're capable of determining that ;)

    just because i don't award points to 2nd place, doesn't mean you need to be jealous. ;)
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    my grandmother was all about her stories....not a big fan of her stories until susan lucci came along :)

    lol All My Children. Ohhhh yeah.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Believe it or not I used to watch the Golden Girls. Not because my grandmother watched it, but because I enjoyed it. :o

    I still watch it. And it still makes me tingly in my naughty areas.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Believe it or not I used to watch the Golden Girls. Not because my grandmother watched it, but because I enjoyed it. :o

    admit it, you're a gerontophiliac.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    admit it, you're a gerontophiliac.

    I'm actually part pedophile, part necrophiliac. I like 'em just younger than dead.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    admit it, you're a gerontophiliac.


    Well, If you're asking if I like porn...... Maybe.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    lol All My Children. Ohhhh yeah.

    I vaugely remember my mom liking general hospital...but i was always a susan lucci fan :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    i understand that many on the right hate homophobia, and racism (W/Cheney notwithstanding)...my attempt at self-criticism of the left here was one that asks that, since our side of the political spectrum makes an overt focus on social issues, andwe know what's going on out there...that there are homophobes (Tim Hardaway), that there are racists (Larry Bird), but just because we, on the left (or right for that matter) can point them out does that mean we are making any change? Or is it just a matter of self-righteousness, and that's it.
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