People rather be lied to than welcome change

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Sorry, mom’s been playing her 60’s civil rights programs again.

    And that’s the question I’m left with.
    Bush and Nixon lied to the people. No assignation attempts were made. (correct?)

    Marten Luther King and Bobby Kennedy it seems to me wanted change for the good of the country. They were assassinated.

    I know about majority and minority blah blah blah.

    Why would people tolerate being lied to, over trying a little bit of change?

    And do you think it’s over?
    Will they try to kill Obama?


    Obama is no King, Jr.


    and that speech last night is a speech made in route to a position of power... kings speeches came from the heart....
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Obama is no King, Jr.


    and that speech last night is a speech made in route to a position of power... kings speeches came from the heart....

    i didn't say he was.
    i agree with you.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • catch22catch22 Posts: 1,081
    jeffbr wrote:
    I don't really understand the theory in the original post. Martin & Bobby didn't lie, had a vision, and people assassinated them? Nixon & Bush lied so nobody assassinated them? Reagan was nearly assassinated. Was that because he never lied and had a vision for change? Clinton wasn't assassinated, was that because he lied? I don't see the correlation between change, truth and assassination.

    young, charismatic leaders calling for change don't do well is the gist of it. the kennedy's, mlk, obama plots. if carter had had an ounce of competence, he probably would have been too. those who go with the status quo (and clinton was one of them) can coast through almost anything without repercussion. reagan being the exception that proves the rule i guess.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • catch22catch22 Posts: 1,081
    mdg164 wrote:
    Reagan was the greatest president of our generation,

    hahahah. you people make me laugh :D

    policy-wise, reagan might be the worst president we've had in a century. you want someone to blame for islamic extremism and al-quaeda? i'll give you a hint, he was president in the 80's and his initials were R.R.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    catch22 wrote:
    hahahah. you people make me laugh :D
    that's what I was about to say...

    Nixon and Reagan good presidents?

    lol!
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    _outlaw wrote:
    oh, let's not forget the change Ronald Reagan was bringing, lol.


    but he wasn't assassinated, so it doesn't count. ;)
    anyone remember what movie that was.....where they were discussing assinations and assination attempts.....and listing all the assinators (?) stating how you always know their middles names....but those with failed attempts, no middle names. it was funny, in a very morose way. was it the clint easwood flick when he was a secret service agent and john malchovich was the baddie? this is gonna bug me now......:mad:


    and i guess i am unsure what the OP is suggesting? change is a scary thing, both good and bad...b/c it is the 'unknown'....


    tis a fact, that whether good change or bad change...it stresses the psyche the same. so yes, i think many, many people are reluctant to change. whether they prefer lies, i don't know. status quo does seem to work for many. what's the saying? the devil you know is better than the devil you don't? pehaps people feel that way.


    beyond that...some just have differing views, and radical thinkers always push buttons, get threats....and sure, sometimes get killed or their beliefs. this isn't just an american thing, it's a human thing...throughout history.
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    _outlaw wrote:
    that's what I was about to say...

    Nixon and Reagan good presidents?

    lol!


    Awesome, now you and I can disagree abotu something other than your normal topic!!!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    but he wasn't assassinated, so it doesn't count. ;)
    anyone remember what movie that was.....where they were discussing assinations and assination attempts.....and listing all the assinators (?) stating how you always know their middles names....but those with failed attempts, no middle names. it was funny, in a very morose way. was it the clint easwood flick when he was a secret service agent and john malchovich was the baddie? this is gonna bug me now......:mad:

    in the line of fire

    the 3 names thing was also discussed in 'conspiracy theory' with mel gibson and julia roberts




    and i'll see you ---- AT THE MOVIES!! :p:D:D
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    cutback wrote:
    in the line of fire

    the 3 names thing was also discussed in 'conspiracy theory' with mel gibson and julia roberts




    and i'll see you ---- AT THE MOVIES!! :p:D:D


    thank you!!!
    i was, obviously, thinking in the line of fire///though the name escaped me as i typed. i thought there was another as well, and yes! conspiracy theory! thank you! damn, i own both DVDs...hahahaha...i knew it was so familiar. i kept looking back hoping someone would answr, i hate when i get stuck like that. :D


    and back on topic...i welcome change. :)
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    catch22 and decides2dream have given me insight.
    so thanks you two. :)
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    catch22 and decides2dream have given me insight.
    so thanks you two. :)



    how in the hell did THAT ever happen? ;)
    glad my movie talk didn't piss ya off. :p


    and i don't want to be lied to..although i know it happens, and yes...i DO welcome change, if it IS the kind of change i want to see in this world. :)
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    catch22 and decides2dream have given me insight.
    so thanks you two. :)


    That's pretty scary. But thats the biggest downfall of the internet. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    That's pretty scary. But thats the biggest downfall of the internet. ;)




    i am still laughing.
    :D


    fuck you very much.
    ;)



    *and i say that in HUMOR...not in meanness...just a note to mods.




    am i really that scary?
    don't answer that.........:p
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    and i don't want to be lied to..although i know it happens, and yes...i DO welcome change, if it IS the kind of change i want to see in this world. :)

    amen! :D


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    change is a scary thing, both good and bad...b/c it is the 'unknown'....


    tis a fact, that whether good change or bad change...it stresses the psyche the same. so yes, i think many, many people are reluctant to change. whether they prefer lies, i don't know. status quo does seem to work for many. what's the saying? the devil you know is better than the devil you don't? pehaps people feel that way.


    beyond that...some just have differing views, and radical thinkers always push buttons, get threats....and sure, sometimes get killed or their beliefs. this isn't just an american thing, it's a human thing...throughout history.

    that's the part that caught my eye. ;)
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    but he wasn't assassinated, so it doesn't count. ;)
    she also said 'assassination attempts' though...
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Awesome, now you and I can disagree abotu something other than your normal topic!!!
    surprised? I disagree with many, many, many things you say. :)
  • mdg164mdg164 Posts: 206
    point taken.
    but you didn't need to be nasty when making it.

    Sorry If it came off that way, my apologies.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    _outlaw wrote:
    she also said 'assassination attempts' though...


    notice the strategic placement of the ;)...meant to signify tongue-in-cheek humor. :)



    and blondie...i figured, was just playin' along.
    i think oftentimes it is a complex interplay of emotions and logic, and sure....shallow interests, intuition......and one would hope at some point, looking at the issues. some just follow the game, follow parties blindly....and i like to think many more really DO care, and think long and hard on their decisions. however, oftentimes i simply come to realize, what i would like to see and what the general public, overall, wants to see...ain't necessarily so.


    my husband and i often joke about whatever is my 'favorite'...be it a meal on restaurant menu, a favorite piece of furniture, favorite paint color, etc...soooo often these things get discountinued. it's happened so often it is laughable..and sure, guess i am out of step with most mainstream tastes. :p so it's unsurprising to me when oftentimes i am out of step for other, more important issues.....sadly.......
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


    I am myself like you somehow


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