Democrats warn Chavez: Don't bash Bush
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well I'll be... the dems showing a little backbone.
truth be told that's pretty cool, that they would stand up for him even though they strongly disagree with him.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two of President Bush's staunchest domestic critics leapt to his defense Thursday, a day after one of his fiercest foreign foes called him "the devil" in a scorching speech before the United Nations.
"You don't come into my country; you don't come into my congressional district and you don't condemn my president," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-New York, scolded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, was blunt in her criticism of the Venezuelan leader. "He is an everyday thug," she said.
During his speech before the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, Chavez launched into a caustic verbal attack of Bush that shocked diplomats and observers accustomed to the staid verbiage of international diplomacy. (Full story)
"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Bush, who addressed the world body during its annual meeting Tuesday. "And it smells of sulfur still today."
Chavez accused Bush of having spoken "as if he owned the world" when the U.S. president addressed the world body on Tuesday. (Watch how Chavez's belligerence may backfire -- 3:11)
"As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world. An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: 'The Devil's Recipe.' "
Bush's domestic foes fumed Thursday.
"If there's any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not," Rangel said at a Washington news conference.
"I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president: Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel said.
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had speaking at the United Nations," Pelosi said. "In doing so, in the manner which he characterized the president, he demeaned himself and demeaned Venezuela."
Bush administration officials dismissed the Chavez tirade.
"We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs," John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., said shortly after Chavez spoke Wednesday.
Chavez's tirades against Bush have become common. In May, he accused Bush of committing genocide and said the U.S. president should be imprisoned by an international criminal court.
Chavez also alleged during the U.N. speech that the United States is planning, financing and setting in motion a coup to overthrow him. The U.S. has denied such accusations in the past.
As he was exiting the U.N. building in New York, Chavez told reporters that Bush is not a legitimate president because he "stole the elections."
"He is, therefore, a dictator," Chavez said.(Watch Chavez's bellicose comments -- :57)
During a stop in Harlem on Thursday, Chavez said he has no quarrel with the American people.
"We are friends of yours, and you are our friends," he said.
Underscoring his point, he announced he is expanding his heating-oil program to help impoverished Americans from 40 million gallons last year to 100 million gallons this year, and from 180,000 families to 459,000 families.
But in the heart of Rangel's congressional district, he blasted away at Bush for a second day.
"He walks like this cowboy John Wayne," said Chavez. "He doesn't have the slightest idea of politics. He got where he is because he is the son of his father. He was an alcoholic, an ex-alcoholic. He's a sick man, full of complexes, but very dangerous now because he has a lot of power."
Chavez, clad in a fire-engine-red shirt, called Bush a "menace" and a "threat against life on the planet."
In the United States, rich people are getting richer, and poor people are getting poorer, he said. "That's not a democracy; that's a tyranny."
Democrats have also been strident in their criticism of Bush, especially on the Iraq war.
"The war in Iraq has made our effort to defeat terrorism and terrorists more difficult," Pelosi said in a written statement released a day after Bush addressed the nation on the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. "Last night's speech demonstrated that the president will go to any lengths to distract attention from his failures in Iraq, which have diverted focus from the war on terrorism."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html
truth be told that's pretty cool, that they would stand up for him even though they strongly disagree with him.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two of President Bush's staunchest domestic critics leapt to his defense Thursday, a day after one of his fiercest foreign foes called him "the devil" in a scorching speech before the United Nations.
"You don't come into my country; you don't come into my congressional district and you don't condemn my president," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-New York, scolded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, was blunt in her criticism of the Venezuelan leader. "He is an everyday thug," she said.
During his speech before the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, Chavez launched into a caustic verbal attack of Bush that shocked diplomats and observers accustomed to the staid verbiage of international diplomacy. (Full story)
"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Bush, who addressed the world body during its annual meeting Tuesday. "And it smells of sulfur still today."
Chavez accused Bush of having spoken "as if he owned the world" when the U.S. president addressed the world body on Tuesday. (Watch how Chavez's belligerence may backfire -- 3:11)
"As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world. An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: 'The Devil's Recipe.' "
Bush's domestic foes fumed Thursday.
"If there's any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not," Rangel said at a Washington news conference.
"I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president: Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel said.
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had speaking at the United Nations," Pelosi said. "In doing so, in the manner which he characterized the president, he demeaned himself and demeaned Venezuela."
Bush administration officials dismissed the Chavez tirade.
"We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs," John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., said shortly after Chavez spoke Wednesday.
Chavez's tirades against Bush have become common. In May, he accused Bush of committing genocide and said the U.S. president should be imprisoned by an international criminal court.
Chavez also alleged during the U.N. speech that the United States is planning, financing and setting in motion a coup to overthrow him. The U.S. has denied such accusations in the past.
As he was exiting the U.N. building in New York, Chavez told reporters that Bush is not a legitimate president because he "stole the elections."
"He is, therefore, a dictator," Chavez said.(Watch Chavez's bellicose comments -- :57)
During a stop in Harlem on Thursday, Chavez said he has no quarrel with the American people.
"We are friends of yours, and you are our friends," he said.
Underscoring his point, he announced he is expanding his heating-oil program to help impoverished Americans from 40 million gallons last year to 100 million gallons this year, and from 180,000 families to 459,000 families.
But in the heart of Rangel's congressional district, he blasted away at Bush for a second day.
"He walks like this cowboy John Wayne," said Chavez. "He doesn't have the slightest idea of politics. He got where he is because he is the son of his father. He was an alcoholic, an ex-alcoholic. He's a sick man, full of complexes, but very dangerous now because he has a lot of power."
Chavez, clad in a fire-engine-red shirt, called Bush a "menace" and a "threat against life on the planet."
In the United States, rich people are getting richer, and poor people are getting poorer, he said. "That's not a democracy; that's a tyranny."
Democrats have also been strident in their criticism of Bush, especially on the Iraq war.
"The war in Iraq has made our effort to defeat terrorism and terrorists more difficult," Pelosi said in a written statement released a day after Bush addressed the nation on the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. "Last night's speech demonstrated that the president will go to any lengths to distract attention from his failures in Iraq, which have diverted focus from the war on terrorism."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html
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exactly, imagine going over to Iran and saying some of those things, or venezuela...you wouldn't come back.
I was walking around NYC with my wife the other night and wondering where these assholes were - probably eating at some fancy restaurants and living it up. It makes me sick.
Maybe a seagull will shit on Ahmadinejad's head or something ... If there's a God.
And of course, people will assume I am defending Bush here. I am not.
Anybody getting pissed? I am...
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Though I've big reservations about Chavez, Rangel's statement is questionable. You can't embark on a neocolonial foreign policy, and deny the rest of the world a critical voice.
However, I wouldn't mind reading this soundbite in its fuller context.
But that would be "good luck."
Bush is a fucktard, but he's our fucktard. If anything, Chavez has alienated many potential allies with his macho tough talk.
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I'm no fan of Rangel and this move is FAR from classy. Rangel has said just as idiotic statements about Bush that Chavez had. The only reason for this half-hearted attempt is because he knows the mid-terms are looking worse for the Dems.
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He certainly had every right to speak his mind at a U.N. conference. I don't care for some of his comments ... the alcoholism thing in particular was juvenile and petty, Bush has been dry for years ... but to say that only Americans can criticize Bush is silly. He's a major player, THE major player, on the world stage, and his decisions affect everyone on the planet. They're certainly free to comment.
No, before anything, Rangal and Pelosi are anti-Republican...and so is Chavez. Unfortunately for all three, most of the voting public is not.
You put statements about Bush made by these three, and you wouldn't be able to pick out the one made by Chavez. Hell, Rangal has actually made more insane comments about Bush than Chavez had.
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They get John Lennon and these two fuckers are roaming our most prized streets. Unreal, isnt it?
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And likewise if there's any criticism of President Chavez, it should be restricted to Venezualans ... ???
no, we can criticize anyone we want to.
I swear, some American's have their heads so far up their asses...
So it's ok to criticize the Iraqi regime, the Iranian regime, the Palestinian Authority, etc..
The list of countries Bush has criticized and gone as far as to say they are evil and god instructs him to defeat them. Fuck! How stupid can people be?
Bush is getting what he gives, he is a hipocritical ass tard, I'd cap his ass myself if I believed in that sort of thing.
Chavez can topple the U.S. government for all I care, this shows how truly fucked it is. To all you Americans: you are due for a real rude awakening, you will be knocked off your holier than thou throne made out of bullshit; wake up and smell the coffee, your government is belligerent, hipocritical and stupid
Every time I read about some stupid statements like these I feel like ending my life to secure me from this insanity. Bush is absolutely insane and apparently so are his proponents.
It's called the Fundamental Attribution Error and Selective Memory. Not being an asshat should be one of the presidential requirements.
come again?
You realize in 3 years, you won't have to worry about George Bush anymore...will you obsess about the next GOP president in the same manner?
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It's not about Bush, it's about the attitude all over the U.S.A.
I always try to address it in a respectful manner, but come on, people in other countries really don't give a shit what America thinks. Why should we listen to America and America doesn't listen to anyone? fuck that. The attitude makes me sick.
Lighten up, Francis.
That kind of thinking sounds insane to me. Good luck that.
A guy actually called in and said "Oh great! An American! I hate those Canadians" it took all I could do to not bitch him out.
Usually they just call in making racist remarks about East-Indians and Arabs, and bitching about how their time is more important than mine.
Absolutely fucking disgusting!
Speaking in generalities doesn't help anyone. This leads to the contention that we have. Quite frankly, I don't believe the American left and Europe understands reality. From what I can gather, the U.S. is the root of all evil, and when we call out rogue regimes, nobody does anything about it. We don't think you recognize the threat to international stability, and quite frankly, I think it's assinine that you think we are more of a threat to stability compared to Iran or North Korea.
I really don't care if you give a shit what America thinks...It would be nice if you addressed reality though.
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The only nationality of people that successfully piss me off are Americans. I can tolerate other people, but I just feel like smacking some of them and they are damn lucky they don't set foot on this side of the border. That kind of attitude will get a person dead. We got gangs and shit too, only they aren't Americans and won't tolerate that attitude.
I live in reality, I know how big of a threat we face, I've done the research. America is our biggest threat, wake up!
No you don't. Let's agree to agree.
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My, that sounds awfully intolerant of you and your gangs. Weren't you just critical of Americans for intolerance? Now you're threatening violence.
Wow threats of violence and suicide in one thread. Again, good luck with that.