Dude I am Black and I am a South african and I was raised watching white programs becuase white people controlled everything, and only allowing a minute amount of black programs on that they allowed.
KNOW YOUR FACTS!!!
You didn't answer my question. I couldn't give a fuck that you sat on your arse watching t.v whilst your fellow blacks were being beaten and killed. I asked you if you thought that black children were raised to regard the Apartheid whites as being kind and benevolent folk.
Seeing as you can't answer the question, I'll answer it myself. No. People who are oppressed don't raise their children to love their oppressors. So in response to your original post re: The Palestinians, how about looking closer to home for the answer?
KNow you see there you go again read my post again, I was infact directing my response at those you think they know everything about SA and about me and supposedly how I should live.
And no I never said that im a Middle eastern Expert or that I am an expert on world affairs please read my bloody posts.
Once again I responded directly to people putting into question How I live my life, and no I dont afree with the way the palestines are fighting there struggle, we never used children we never had suicide bombers blow up school kids, im not saying we didnt kill but it is not comparable to what they are doing.
And we wanted and got peace, we negotiated, we recognised every culture and race in our country, where we could have just killed the boers and nobody would have siad or done anything, we did it the right way.
and please for the last dont take my posts and try to twist it to what you want it to say
Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
KNow you see there you go again read my post again, I was infact directing my response at those you think they know everything about SA and about me and supposedly how I should live.
And no I never said that im a Middle eastern Expert or that I am an expert on world affairs please read my bloody posts.
Once again I responded directly to people putting into question How I live my life, and no I dont afree with the way the palestines are fighting there struggle, we never used children we never had suicide bombers blow up school kids, im not saying we didnt kill but it is not comparable to what they are doing.
And we wanted and got peace, we negotiated, we recognised every culture and race in our country, where we could have just killed the boers and nobody would have siad or done anything, we did it the right way.
and please for the last dont take my posts and try to twist it to what you want it to say
Did you just say that you killed people, but it was diffrent? WTF?
You didn't answer my question. I couldn't give a fuck that you sat on your arse watching t.v whilst your fellow blacks were being beaten and killed. I asked you if you thought that black children were raised to regard the Apartheid whites as being kind and benevolent folk.
Seeing as you can't answer the question, I'll answer it myself. No. People who are oppressed don't raise their children to love their oppressors. So in response to your original post re: The Palestinians, how about looking closer to home for the answer?
Once again, remove youre blinkers and actually read what i wrote. i sat on my ass while the struggle was raging outside, ok what ever you say dude im sick of actually having to explain myself time in and time out, believe what you want to believe.
Let me ask you this question to answer your question, after we took over SA did we kill all the boers or did we infact recognised and try to bring all races together, and once again you say "People who are oppressed don't" I was oppressed and I know first hand, the world is allot more complicated than black and white, there is a shit load of grey so nothing is as straight cut as it is in a book.
and sicnevol read my previous post.
You guys are so fast to attack anybody with a different view point than you. life is bigger than your CNN
Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
Did you just say that you killed people, but it was diffrent? WTF?
Don;t twist ours and we won't twist yours.
read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
I didn't create a holy war, or tell anyone to kill anything. I never justified anything. I think its a sick as you do, It's just always going to happen in these situations. I don;t agree with it, or want it to happen, If I could stop it I would. Sadly I have no control over how anyone else in the world teaches there children.
I'm not going to debate with you about this anymore, because you will never get it.
read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
Do you think Israeli children are raised to love Palestinians? No. Israeli's hate the Palestinians and when Israeli children are old enough they are conscripted and spend a few years playing a turkey shoot, knowing full well they won't be punished for indiscriminate killing. But then I suppose you are of the opinion that the Israeli's are innocent victims, and not a modern army engaged in a brutal occupation?
Do you think Israeli children are raised to love Palestinians? No. Israeli's hate the Palestinians and when Israeli children are old enough they are conscripted and spend a few years playing a turkey shoot, knowing full well they won't be punished for indiscriminate killing. But then I suppose you are of the opinion that the Israeli's are innocent victims, and not a modern army engaged in a brutal occupation?
Show me the Israeli child martyrs.
There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.
You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill
Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.
You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill
They use children and suicide bombers because they do not have the USA funding there army.
I don't agree with using children or suicide bombers but those are the reasons.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You know SA very very well, Well instead of learning about it or watching stuff over on you tv in the great ol US of A I actually have lived here for all my life. Sell out you dont know shit, you dont know how I live my life you have no idea of what I and my family have been thru, So dont jump to you own ideas about me.
Has my country ever nuked anyone infact has any country besides the Great US of A nuked anyone.
And as I stated and I 'll state again "I am not black in South Africa I am Coloured,but the rest of the world see's me as black" I did not say i was black to make a point how many people on this board will understand what I say when i refer to myself as coloured.
Oh and by the way to mess with your mind some more, I am infact a christian. So why dont you jump to conclutions about that.
You talk the big talk, tell me where you or your family ever in the situation where they could be easily killed for the colour of there skin, if not THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, and go and read more books about the subject. While I live it.
You know, I just typed out this semi long reply, but decided not to post it. But i'll save it in my email box just incase I feel like adding it later.
this thread has already gone in the wrong direction and when that happens I tend to lose interest in it.
I thought it would get into a nice debate. But I don't think you are at the level i'm looking for.
and i'm sorry if I was too harsh on you with my first post.
You know, I just typed out this semi long reply, but decided not to post it. But i'll save it in my email box just incase I feel like adding it later.
this thread has already gone in the wrong direction and when that happens I tend to lose interest in it.
I thought it would get into a nice debate. But I don't think you are at the level i'm looking for.
and i'm sorry if I was too harsh on you with my first post.
Hell wat eva im sorry for not being "ON your level" Im tired and i am really upset when people judge me for what ever reason they see fit, I had to go thru it all my whole life and i refuse to let in and succumb to anyone elses judgemental remarks, statements or actions.
so have it your way,
Tot siens
Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
Hell wat eva im sorry for not being "ON your level" Im tired and i am really upset when people judge me for what ever reason they see fit, I had to go thru it all my whole life and i refuse to let in and succumb to anyone elses judgemental remarks, statements or actions.
so have it your way,
Tot siens
not to be an asshole or anything but you spent this whole thread judging people.
You know what is so funny most of you guys talk the talk, and know all the facts, and can spew out dates, stats and numbers about wolrd events, but infact you dont really know much, it takes more than reading or even studying about a subject to understand it, and it must really annoy the shit out of you that you were never involved in any great world event good or bad, so go and impress your coffee drinking european wannabe friends with you great knowledge, and what books and music you listen too, and your unmoveable ideology and let the rest of us live our own lives.
You know SA very very well, Well instead of learning about it or watching stuff over on you tv in the great ol US of A I actually have lived here for all my life. Sell out you dont know shit, you dont know how I live my life you have no idea of what I and my family have been thru, So dont jump to you own ideas about me.
Oh and by the way to mess with your mind some more, I am infact a christian. So why dont you jump to conclutions about that.
You talk the big talk, tell me where you or your family ever in the situation where they could be easily killed for the colour of there skin, if not THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, and go and read more books about the subject. While I live it.
There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.
There's a reason Israeli's don't feel the need to blow themselves up. They mostly live comfortable lives in a rich country which is supported 100% by the U.S. They have jobs, and a future, and apart from the occasional, albeit rare, attack from Palestinian suicide bombers, they have nothing to complain about. Perhaps if every Israeli were to be herded into refugee camps, separated from one another by checkpoints, shot at with sniper rifles, tanks, and apache helicopters, and had their homes bulldozed to the ground by an occupying military machine, then things would be different.
There's a reason Israeli's don't feel the need to blow themselves up. They mostly live comfortable lives in a rich country which is supported 100% by the U.S. They have jobs, and a future, and apart from the occasional, albeit rare, attack from Palestinian suicide bombers, they have nothing to complain about. Perhaps if every Israeli were to be herded into refugee camps, separated from one another by checkpoints, shot at with sniper rifles, tanks, and apache helicopters, and had their homes bulldozed to the ground by an occupying military machine, then things would be different.
When people speak about the israeli/palestinian situation they mostly forget to mention that.
The fact that a no prospect population living in a dirt poor country see the neighbours living in a rich democracy doesn't really help peace offerings. And even more so if the poor population feel the land which made the neighbours rich was stolen from them.
There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.
You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill
but israel kills 5 palestinian kids for every 1 israeli child killed....plus a large % of palestinian children have severe malnutrition b/c of the checkpoints and no access to medical care
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Infact I am old enough to have been shot at, hit with fists, sticks and kicked just for fun and called a kaffir, hotnot, bush baby and other special names mty fellow white man has invented for me, I am old enough to be chased out of a church, public toilet, bus and a whole fucking street becuase of my colour, dont make stupid sweeping judgements abouth this you have absolutely no clue about, There is a difference between soldiers and brainwashing innocent children to do and say things that they have no clue about. By they way I still get followed around shops, there are still places in South Africa that I would not and am too scared to go, where i would stand out like a pepper corn in a jar of salt. Before you say things and make stupid "liberal controversial" statements just for the sake of it,
KNOW YOUR FACTS!!!
Funny that they looked like children while laying dead during their summer foray into their neighbouring country.
Wow, where did I go wrong thinking that those nice Israeli people only talk about love and wouldn't put the hate in the brains of their children. The Jewish lady beside me can't stand Arabs and she wasn't even born in Israel. Go figure. Must have had a bad experience with one or two of them? :rolleyes:
And I was for Hitler and the Apartheid. You would think I would support the Jews in their fight. For whatever makes them different from the rest of the world. Sic!
So I will take my facts from somebody like you with a grain of salt.
Pro Palestine fools....there's a statement if I've ever heard one right there..
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You didn't answer my question. I couldn't give a fuck that you sat on your arse watching t.v whilst your fellow blacks were being beaten and killed. I asked you if you thought that black children were raised to regard the Apartheid whites as being kind and benevolent folk.
Seeing as you can't answer the question, I'll answer it myself. No. People who are oppressed don't raise their children to love their oppressors. So in response to your original post re: The Palestinians, how about looking closer to home for the answer?
And no I never said that im a Middle eastern Expert or that I am an expert on world affairs please read my bloody posts.
Once again I responded directly to people putting into question How I live my life, and no I dont afree with the way the palestines are fighting there struggle, we never used children we never had suicide bombers blow up school kids, im not saying we didnt kill but it is not comparable to what they are doing.
And we wanted and got peace, we negotiated, we recognised every culture and race in our country, where we could have just killed the boers and nobody would have siad or done anything, we did it the right way.
and please for the last dont take my posts and try to twist it to what you want it to say
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
Did you just say that you killed people, but it was diffrent? WTF?
Don;t twist ours and we won't twist yours.
Once again, remove youre blinkers and actually read what i wrote. i sat on my ass while the struggle was raging outside, ok what ever you say dude im sick of actually having to explain myself time in and time out, believe what you want to believe.
Let me ask you this question to answer your question, after we took over SA did we kill all the boers or did we infact recognised and try to bring all races together, and once again you say "People who are oppressed don't" I was oppressed and I know first hand, the world is allot more complicated than black and white, there is a shit load of grey so nothing is as straight cut as it is in a book.
and sicnevol read my previous post.
You guys are so fast to attack anybody with a different view point than you. life is bigger than your CNN
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
I'm not going to debate with you about this anymore, because you will never get it.
Do you think Israeli children are raised to love Palestinians? No. Israeli's hate the Palestinians and when Israeli children are old enough they are conscripted and spend a few years playing a turkey shoot, knowing full well they won't be punished for indiscriminate killing. But then I suppose you are of the opinion that the Israeli's are innocent victims, and not a modern army engaged in a brutal occupation?
Show me the Israeli child martyrs.
There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.
You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
They use children and suicide bombers because they do not have the USA funding there army.
I don't agree with using children or suicide bombers but those are the reasons.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You know, I just typed out this semi long reply, but decided not to post it. But i'll save it in my email box just incase I feel like adding it later.
this thread has already gone in the wrong direction and when that happens I tend to lose interest in it.
I thought it would get into a nice debate. But I don't think you are at the level i'm looking for.
and i'm sorry if I was too harsh on you with my first post.
Hell wat eva im sorry for not being "ON your level" Im tired and i am really upset when people judge me for what ever reason they see fit, I had to go thru it all my whole life and i refuse to let in and succumb to anyone elses judgemental remarks, statements or actions.
so have it your way,
Tot siens
"We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
here jsut so you don't have to back track
There's a reason Israeli's don't feel the need to blow themselves up. They mostly live comfortable lives in a rich country which is supported 100% by the U.S. They have jobs, and a future, and apart from the occasional, albeit rare, attack from Palestinian suicide bombers, they have nothing to complain about. Perhaps if every Israeli were to be herded into refugee camps, separated from one another by checkpoints, shot at with sniper rifles, tanks, and apache helicopters, and had their homes bulldozed to the ground by an occupying military machine, then things would be different.
When people speak about the israeli/palestinian situation they mostly forget to mention that.
The fact that a no prospect population living in a dirt poor country see the neighbours living in a rich democracy doesn't really help peace offerings. And even more so if the poor population feel the land which made the neighbours rich was stolen from them.
but israel kills 5 palestinian kids for every 1 israeli child killed....plus a large % of palestinian children have severe malnutrition b/c of the checkpoints and no access to medical care
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Funny that they looked like children while laying dead during their summer foray into their neighbouring country.
Wow, where did I go wrong thinking that those nice Israeli people only talk about love and wouldn't put the hate in the brains of their children. The Jewish lady beside me can't stand Arabs and she wasn't even born in Israel. Go figure. Must have had a bad experience with one or two of them? :rolleyes:
And I was for Hitler and the Apartheid. You would think I would support the Jews in their fight. For whatever makes them different from the rest of the world. Sic!
So I will take my facts from somebody like you with a grain of salt.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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