Mullah Mouse - for all you pro-palestine fools

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Why not? Do you believe everything you were taught as a child? Most people, given the chance, grow out of childish preconceptional influences.

    Q: preconceptional? there's no such word.
    A: at first i used "preconceptual".
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    twisztad wrote:
    Please dont compare us to them, We are not murderous and abusers of children
    [...]
    i dont like the way you generalize.

    I am sure that, given the chance, most people would like to live peaceful and prosper lives. Poverty and undereducation makes it easier to manipulate desesperation and have terror.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    twisztad wrote:
    . I am not black in South Africa I am Coloured,but the rest of the world see's me as black and I came from the biggest coloured township in the world Mitchell's Plain.



    Becuase you jump to conclutions


    Ok you have a point , but please educate me as to when we ever used 8 year old's to become suicide bombers, if we were the same why are there still white people living very happily and rich and prospuring in SA. Please dont compare us to them, We are not murderous and abusers of children


    I am not taking it as an attack, but i dont like the way you generalize, example, just becuase I surf the net that makes me rich.

    In your earlier post you stated that you were black. but only when you wanted to make a point, It was obvious from your post you were not, I was right. don't ask me how I knew, I just could tell. I know SA very very well.

    Also, anyone person of color from SA who supports Israel needs to take a history lesson, where do you think SA got many of it's weapons? Israel! It was israel that helped keep apartheid alive.

    They even gave SA nuke technology!

    You support Israel? You are nothing but a sell out.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    twisztad wrote:
    Please dont compare us to them, We are not murderous and abusers of children


    i dont like the way you generalize


    Ditto!
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    MrBrian wrote:
    In your earlier post you stated that you were black. but only when you wanted to make a point, It was obvious from your post you were not, I was right. don't ask me how I knew, I just could tell. I know SA very very well.

    Also, anyone person of color from SA who supports Israel needs to take a history lesson, where do you think SA got many of it's weapons? Israel! It was israel that helped keep apartheid alive.

    They even gave SA nuke technology!

    You support Israel? You are nothing but a sell out.

    You know SA very very well, Well instead of learning about it or watching stuff over on you tv in the great ol US of A I actually have lived here for all my life. Sell out you dont know shit, you dont know how I live my life you have no idea of what I and my family have been thru, So dont jump to you own ideas about me.

    Has my country ever nuked anyone infact has any country besides the Great US of A nuked anyone.

    And as I stated and I 'll state again "I am not black in South Africa I am Coloured,but the rest of the world see's me as black" I did not say i was black to make a point how many people on this board will understand what I say when i refer to myself as coloured.

    Oh and by the way to mess with your mind some more, I am infact a christian. So why dont you jump to conclutions about that.

    You talk the big talk, tell me where you or your family ever in the situation where they could be easily killed for the colour of there skin, if not THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, and go and read more books about the subject. While I live it.
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    twisztad wrote:
    You know SA very very well, Well instead of learning about it or watching stuff over on you tv in the great ol US of A I actually have lived here for all my life. Sell out you dont know shit, you dont know how I live my life you have no idea of what I and my family have been thru, So dont jump to you own ideas about me.

    Has my country ever nuked anyone infact has any country besides the Great US of A nuked anyone.

    And as I stated and I 'll state again "I am not black in South Africa I am Coloured,but the rest of the world see's me as black" I did not say i was black to make a point how many people on this board will understand what I say when i refer to myself as coloured.

    Oh and by the way to mess with your mind some more, I am infact a christian. So why dont you jump to conclutions about that.

    You talk the big talk, tell me where you or your family ever in the situation where they could be easily killed for the colour of there skin, if not THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, and go and read more books about the subject. While I live it.
    um so go live in Israel and Palestine, and then we can talk about it.
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    sicnevol wrote:
    um so go live in Israel and Palestine, and then we can talk about it.

    You know what is so funny most of you guys talk the talk, and know all the facts, and can spew out dates, stats and numbers about wolrd events, but infact you dont really know much, it takes more than reading or even studying about a subject to understand it, and it must really annoy the shit out of you that you were never involved in any great world event good or bad, so go and impress your coffee drinking european wannabe friends with you great knowledge, and what books and music you listen too, and your unmoveable ideology and let the rest of us live our own lives.

    Maak hulle oe oop en seen die lig.
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    twisztad wrote:
    You know what is so funny most of you guys talk the talk, and know all the facts, and can spew out dates, stats and numbers about wolrd events, but infact you dont really know much, it takes more than reading or even studying about a subject to understand it, and it must really annoy the shit out of you that you were never involved in any great world event good or bad, so go and impress your coffee drinking european wannabe friends with you great knowledge, and what books and music you listen too, and your unmoveable ideology and let the rest of us live our own lives.

    Maak hulle oe oop en seen die lig.

    And what exactly is your point?
    Are you saying that the fact that you live in South Africa automatically makes you an expert on world affairs?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    twisztad wrote:
    it takes more than reading or even studying about a subject to understand it

    If this comment were in fact true, then why did you create a thread about the Middle East situation, when you can't - according to your own particular brand of logic - know anything about the subject?
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    twisztad wrote:
    You know what is so funny most of you guys talk the talk, and know all the facts, and can spew out dates, stats and numbers about wolrd events, but infact you dont really know much, it takes more than reading or even studying about a subject to understand it, and it must really annoy the shit out of you that you were never involved in any great world event good or bad, so go and impress your coffee drinking european wannabe friends with you great knowledge, and what books and music you listen too, and your unmoveable ideology and let the rest of us live our own lives.

    Maak hulle oe oop en seen die lig.
    thats great i lived in Israel for 6mths and I've lived in Japan, China, Germany and Italy. I was thinking about joining the ISF.

    So I obviously know nothing about the world.

    So have a great time living in SA telling everyone how much they suck because they don't think like you.


    OBVIOUSLY I'M THE ONE WITH THE UNMOVEABLE IDEOLOGY!
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    twisztad wrote:
    Dude I am Black and I am a South african and I was raised watching white programs becuase white people controlled everything, and only allowing a minute amount of black programs on that they allowed.

    KNOW YOUR FACTS!!!

    You didn't answer my question. I couldn't give a fuck that you sat on your arse watching t.v whilst your fellow blacks were being beaten and killed. I asked you if you thought that black children were raised to regard the Apartheid whites as being kind and benevolent folk.

    Seeing as you can't answer the question, I'll answer it myself. No. People who are oppressed don't raise their children to love their oppressors. So in response to your original post re: The Palestinians, how about looking closer to home for the answer?
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    KNow you see there you go again read my post again, I was infact directing my response at those you think they know everything about SA and about me and supposedly how I should live.

    And no I never said that im a Middle eastern Expert or that I am an expert on world affairs please read my bloody posts.

    Once again I responded directly to people putting into question How I live my life, and no I dont afree with the way the palestines are fighting there struggle, we never used children we never had suicide bombers blow up school kids, im not saying we didnt kill but it is not comparable to what they are doing.

    And we wanted and got peace, we negotiated, we recognised every culture and race in our country, where we could have just killed the boers and nobody would have siad or done anything, we did it the right way.

    and please for the last dont take my posts and try to twist it to what you want it to say
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    twisztad wrote:
    KNow you see there you go again read my post again, I was infact directing my response at those you think they know everything about SA and about me and supposedly how I should live.

    And no I never said that im a Middle eastern Expert or that I am an expert on world affairs please read my bloody posts.

    Once again I responded directly to people putting into question How I live my life, and no I dont afree with the way the palestines are fighting there struggle, we never used children we never had suicide bombers blow up school kids, im not saying we didnt kill but it is not comparable to what they are doing.

    And we wanted and got peace, we negotiated, we recognised every culture and race in our country, where we could have just killed the boers and nobody would have siad or done anything, we did it the right way.

    and please for the last dont take my posts and try to twist it to what you want it to say

    Did you just say that you killed people, but it was diffrent? WTF?

    Don;t twist ours and we won't twist yours.
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You didn't answer my question. I couldn't give a fuck that you sat on your arse watching t.v whilst your fellow blacks were being beaten and killed. I asked you if you thought that black children were raised to regard the Apartheid whites as being kind and benevolent folk.

    Seeing as you can't answer the question, I'll answer it myself. No. People who are oppressed don't raise their children to love their oppressors. So in response to your original post re: The Palestinians, how about looking closer to home for the answer?

    Once again, remove youre blinkers and actually read what i wrote. i sat on my ass while the struggle was raging outside, ok what ever you say dude im sick of actually having to explain myself time in and time out, believe what you want to believe.

    Let me ask you this question to answer your question, after we took over SA did we kill all the boers or did we infact recognised and try to bring all races together, and once again you say "People who are oppressed don't" I was oppressed and I know first hand, the world is allot more complicated than black and white, there is a shit load of grey so nothing is as straight cut as it is in a book.

    and sicnevol read my previous post.

    You guys are so fast to attack anybody with a different view point than you. life is bigger than your CNN
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    sicnevol wrote:
    Did you just say that you killed people, but it was diffrent? WTF?

    Don;t twist ours and we won't twist yours.


    read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    twisztad wrote:
    read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.
    I didn't create a holy war, or tell anyone to kill anything. I never justified anything. I think its a sick as you do, It's just always going to happen in these situations. I don;t agree with it, or want it to happen, If I could stop it I would. Sadly I have no control over how anyone else in the world teaches there children.

    I'm not going to debate with you about this anymore, because you will never get it.
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    twisztad wrote:
    read my whole post dude, in a revolution people are going to be killed, but tell me how you can justify the use of children, how are you going to justify creating a holy war and telling all muslims every where to hate and kill all infidels.

    Do you think Israeli children are raised to love Palestinians? No. Israeli's hate the Palestinians and when Israeli children are old enough they are conscripted and spend a few years playing a turkey shoot, knowing full well they won't be punished for indiscriminate killing. But then I suppose you are of the opinion that the Israeli's are innocent victims, and not a modern army engaged in a brutal occupation?
  • twisztad
    twisztad Posts: 49
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Do you think Israeli children are raised to love Palestinians? No. Israeli's hate the Palestinians and when Israeli children are old enough they are conscripted and spend a few years playing a turkey shoot, knowing full well they won't be punished for indiscriminate killing. But then I suppose you are of the opinion that the Israeli's are innocent victims, and not a modern army engaged in a brutal occupation?

    Show me the Israeli child martyrs.

    There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.

    You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill
    Even though I know I am, I still cast no shadow.

    "We'd rather challenge our fans and make them listen to our songs than give them something that's easy to digest. There is a lot of music out there that is very easy to digest but we never wanted to be part of it."
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    twisztad wrote:
    Show me the Israeli child martyrs.

    There is a stupid saying that goes "A soldier deservers a soldier", So if the israeli conscripts kill the palestine adult terrorists and visa versa and not use and kill children then I wouldnt care but they do and I do, about the kids not the grown men old enough to make up there own mind.

    You see you'll support Palestine and not care of the atrocities they do on a daily bases and you can tell me the same and disagree tell we are blue in the face, but the bottem line is that only one of them are actively using children to kill

    They use children and suicide bombers because they do not have the USA funding there army.

    I don't agree with using children or suicide bombers but those are the reasons.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    twisztad wrote:
    You know SA very very well, Well instead of learning about it or watching stuff over on you tv in the great ol US of A I actually have lived here for all my life. Sell out you dont know shit, you dont know how I live my life you have no idea of what I and my family have been thru, So dont jump to you own ideas about me.

    Has my country ever nuked anyone infact has any country besides the Great US of A nuked anyone.

    And as I stated and I 'll state again "I am not black in South Africa I am Coloured,but the rest of the world see's me as black" I did not say i was black to make a point how many people on this board will understand what I say when i refer to myself as coloured.

    Oh and by the way to mess with your mind some more, I am infact a christian. So why dont you jump to conclutions about that.

    You talk the big talk, tell me where you or your family ever in the situation where they could be easily killed for the colour of there skin, if not THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, and go and read more books about the subject. While I live it.

    You know, I just typed out this semi long reply, but decided not to post it. But i'll save it in my email box just incase I feel like adding it later.

    this thread has already gone in the wrong direction and when that happens I tend to lose interest in it.

    I thought it would get into a nice debate. But I don't think you are at the level i'm looking for.

    and i'm sorry if I was too harsh on you with my first post.

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