Based on what I know of Eddie Vedders political beliefs, he and Ron Paul are miles apart. The only belief they share istheir view on America's foreign policy.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?
Seems unlikely. They likely share a lot of Paul's views on defense/war, but his views on individual rights and economics would probably greatly conflict with theirs.
Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?
I'm sorry but are you fucking kidding? Nader's had a history of supporting Kucinich. Didn't he say in the last election that if you don't vote for him then you should vote for Kucinich? Ron Paul has great ideas and views on the war and I really like a lot of things he stands for...but like someone mentioned in another thread, Kucinich is a modern marvel.
Seems unlikely. They likely share a lot of Paul's views on defense/war, but his views on individual rights and economics would probably greatly conflict with theirs.
Ah yes, there it is. If your views are vastly different than ffg's you must be stupid.
Hehe...not what I'm saying. I was going to take issue with the "modern marvel" thing until I realized that I could actually agree with the words, if not the poster's implications.
I am saying, however, that if your views are vastly different than mine, and you're willing to force those views upon me, you must be crazy, actually
The statement that Kucinich is a modern day marvel hasn't been shown to be a falsehood.
I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
I personally believe Kucinich is enlightened, and I know by that alone, hes achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to. Working authentically, with good intent and for the people for one's whole life is something I see as admirable...edit: even remarkable or 'marvel'-ous. This includes people who do so to less degrees of authenticity or enlightenment, being only human.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Hehe...not what I'm saying. I was going to take issue with the "modern marvel" thing until I realized that I could actually agree with the words, if not the poster's implications.
I am saying, however, that if your views are vastly different than mine, and you're willing to force those views upon me, you must be crazy, actually
I guess you're surrounded by a world full of crazy willing participants called society.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I personally believe Kucinich is enlightened, and I know by that alone, hes achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to. Working authentically, with good intent and for the people for one's whole life is something I see as admirable. This includes people who do so to less degrees of authenticity or enlightenment, being only human.
He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
My opinion that he's enlightened is based on my knowledge and awareness of enlightment, as well as my knowledge and awareness of the phenomena of self-actualization.
I actually don't share all of his beliefs. I don't feel abrupt massive change is good for a people--especially if so many are opposed such beliefs. But, that's what a good old vote is for. It will represent the voters and the silent vote of non-voters.
In the end, I'm all for people getting out and sharing an enlightened message to the masses, especially one that indicates the future of humankind. Not too many are doing so. It's quite MARVEL-ous.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
And he has proven himself to be selfless, true and a man of principle. The things he has done in his career does put him waaay above the rest, imo. What has Bush done that could be seen in this way?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I guess you're surrounded by a world full of crazy willing participants called society.
Not really. Right now I'm surrounded by a bunch of willing participants known as co-workers. I don't call them "society". I mostly call them by first name.
Not really. Right now I'm surrounded by a bunch of willing participants known as co-workers. I don't call them "society". I mostly call them by first name.
Oh, they don't pay taxes which pay for the guns to your head?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And he has proven himself to be selfless, true and a man of principle. The things he has done in his career does put him waaay above the rest, imo. What has Bush done that could be seen in this way?
Your asking the wrong person because I believe Bush to be a complete ass, but it doesn't take a genius to know that there are still people out there that our loyal Bush supports and do view him that way. As far as Kucinich, there are politicians in Washington who have done as much as he has, not putting down his accomplishments, and are not hailed as modern day marvels. I respect Kucinich because he seems like a man of good principles and integrity but he is no marvel.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Your asking the wrong person because I believe Bush to be a complete ass, but it doesn't take a genius to know that there are still people out there that our loyal Bush supports and do view him that way. As far as Kucinich, there are politicians in Washington who have done as much as he has, not putting down his accomplishments, and are not hailed as modern day marvels. I respect Kucinich because he seems like a man of good principles and integrity but he is no marvel.
To spend 30 years in politics and remain a man of principles and integrity is a marvel in itself, no?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
No it just means that we as Americans elect shitty politicians.
I have seen more than one good, decent person turn into a shitty politician as they climbed the ladder of political success. It is incredibly difficult to maintain your integrity in the system as it exists today. I think that Kucinich has definitely done it, and although I know much less about Ron Paul, that he may very well have done it too. And I do think it's a marvel.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Oh, they don't pay taxes which pay for the guns to your head?
They do pay taxes, although techinically speaking they really don't since I'm forced by law to withhold the money from their paychecks so they never even get it in the first place. But, regardless, this is where the "willing" part of your earlier statement goes out the window. Absent the law, I'd give them that money and I suspect most of them would keep it for their own purposes and choices.
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Based on what I know of Eddie Vedders political beliefs, he and Ron Paul are miles apart. The only belief they share istheir view on America's foreign policy.
Seems unlikely. They likely share a lot of Paul's views on defense/war, but his views on individual rights and economics would probably greatly conflict with theirs.
Marvel (noun): something that causes wonder, admiration, or astonishment; a wonderful thing; a wonder or prodigy.
Astonishment (noun): an object or cause of amazement
Amazement (noun): Archaic: stupefecation
Stupefaction (noun): the state of being stupefied
Stupefy (verb): to put into a state of little or no sensibility; benumb the faculties of; put into a stupor
Ok...I guess I can get on board with this.....
understatement of the day......:D:D
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Hehe...
Would that be the thread that compairs Kucinich's voting record with Paul's because a lot of those statments have already been shown to be falsehoods.
Yes, it certainly takes an elightened man to suggest that a simple exchange between me and my doctor would be a crime.
Ah yes, there it is. If your views are vastly different than ffg's you must be stupid.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Hehe...not what I'm saying. I was going to take issue with the "modern marvel" thing until I realized that I could actually agree with the words, if not the poster's implications.
I am saying, however, that if your views are vastly different than mine, and you're willing to force those views upon me, you must be crazy, actually
I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
Amen to this...well said mammasan.
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I guess you're surrounded by a world full of crazy willing participants called society.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
I actually don't share all of his beliefs. I don't feel abrupt massive change is good for a people--especially if so many are opposed such beliefs. But, that's what a good old vote is for. It will represent the voters and the silent vote of non-voters.
In the end, I'm all for people getting out and sharing an enlightened message to the masses, especially one that indicates the future of humankind. Not too many are doing so. It's quite MARVEL-ous.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
And he has proven himself to be selfless, true and a man of principle. The things he has done in his career does put him waaay above the rest, imo. What has Bush done that could be seen in this way?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Not really. Right now I'm surrounded by a bunch of willing participants known as co-workers. I don't call them "society". I mostly call them by first name.
Oh, they don't pay taxes which pay for the guns to your head?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Your asking the wrong person because I believe Bush to be a complete ass, but it doesn't take a genius to know that there are still people out there that our loyal Bush supports and do view him that way. As far as Kucinich, there are politicians in Washington who have done as much as he has, not putting down his accomplishments, and are not hailed as modern day marvels. I respect Kucinich because he seems like a man of good principles and integrity but he is no marvel.
Very much so..and very few have done it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No it just means that we as Americans elect shitty politicians.
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They do pay taxes, although techinically speaking they really don't since I'm forced by law to withhold the money from their paychecks so they never even get it in the first place. But, regardless, this is where the "willing" part of your earlier statement goes out the window. Absent the law, I'd give them that money and I suspect most of them would keep it for their own purposes and choices.