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Pearl Jam and Ron Paul??

jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jrb112476 wrote:
    Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?

    No.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    i dont know why not
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jrb112476 wrote:
    i dont know why not

    Based on what I know of Eddie Vedders political beliefs, he and Ron Paul are miles apart. The only belief they share istheir view on America's foreign policy.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    jrb112476 wrote:
    Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?

    Seems unlikely. They likely share a lot of Paul's views on defense/war, but his views on individual rights and economics would probably greatly conflict with theirs.
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    jrb112476 wrote:
    Do any of you think PJ would endorse Ron Paul as they did with Nader?
    I'm sorry but are you fucking kidding? Nader's had a history of supporting Kucinich. Didn't he say in the last election that if you don't vote for him then you should vote for Kucinich? Ron Paul has great ideas and views on the war and I really like a lot of things he stands for...but like someone mentioned in another thread, Kucinich is a modern marvel.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Kucinich is a modern marvel.

    Marvel (noun): something that causes wonder, admiration, or astonishment; a wonderful thing; a wonder or prodigy.

    Astonishment (noun): an object or cause of amazement

    Amazement (noun): Archaic: stupefecation

    Stupefaction (noun): the state of being stupefied

    Stupefy (verb): to put into a state of little or no sensibility; benumb the faculties of; put into a stupor


    Ok...I guess I can get on board with this.....

    ;)
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Seems unlikely. They likely share a lot of Paul's views on defense/war, but his views on individual rights and economics would probably greatly conflict with theirs.


    understatement of the day......:D:D
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Marvel (noun): something that causes wonder, admiration, or astonishment; a wonderful thing; a wonder or prodigy.

    Astonishment (noun): an object or cause of amazement

    Amazement (noun): Archaic: stupefecation

    Stupefaction (noun): the state of being stupefied

    Stupefy (verb): to put into a state of little or no sensibility; benumb the faculties of; put into a stupor


    Ok...I guess I can get on board with this.....

    ;)
    I know, I'm amazed, too. It's not everyday the great US of A raises a literally enlightened man to this level of political power. :) Way to go, people! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    cutback wrote:
    understatement of the day......:D:D

    Hehe... ;)
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    don't gimme no wrote:
    ...but like someone mentioned in another thread, Kucinich is a modern marvel.


    Would that be the thread that compairs Kucinich's voting record with Paul's because a lot of those statments have already been shown to be falsehoods.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    angelica wrote:
    I know, I'm amazed, too. It's not everyday the great US of A raise a literally enlightened man to this level of political power. :) Way to go, people! :)

    Yes, it certainly takes an elightened man to suggest that a simple exchange between me and my doctor would be a crime.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Marvel (noun): something that causes wonder, admiration, or astonishment; a wonderful thing; a wonder or prodigy.

    Astonishment (noun): an object or cause of amazement

    Amazement (noun): Archaic: stupefecation

    Stupefaction (noun): the state of being stupefied

    Stupefy (verb): to put into a state of little or no sensibility; benumb the faculties of; put into a stupor


    Ok...I guess I can get on board with this.....

    ;)

    Ah yes, there it is. If your views are vastly different than ffg's you must be stupid. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    Would that be the thread that compairs Kucinich's voting record with Paul's because a lot of those statments have already been shown to be falsehoods.
    The statement that Kucinich is a modern day marvel hasn't been shown to be a falsehood. :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ah yes, there it is. If your views are vastly different than ffg's you must be stupid. ;)

    Hehe...not what I'm saying. I was going to take issue with the "modern marvel" thing until I realized that I could actually agree with the words, if not the poster's implications.

    I am saying, however, that if your views are vastly different than mine, and you're willing to force those views upon me, you must be crazy, actually ;)
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    angelica wrote:
    The statement that Kucinich is a modern day marvel hasn't been shown to be a falsehood. :)

    I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    mammasan wrote:
    I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.

    Amen to this...well said mammasan.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    I wouldn't consider any politician, including Ron Paul, a modern day marvel. I would save such a title for people who have achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to.
    I personally believe Kucinich is enlightened, and I know by that alone, hes achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to. :) Working authentically, with good intent and for the people for one's whole life is something I see as admirable...edit: even remarkable or 'marvel'-ous. This includes people who do so to less degrees of authenticity or enlightenment, being only human.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...not what I'm saying. I was going to take issue with the "modern marvel" thing until I realized that I could actually agree with the words, if not the poster's implications.

    I am saying, however, that if your views are vastly different than mine, and you're willing to force those views upon me, you must be crazy, actually ;)

    I guess you're surrounded by a world full of crazy willing participants called society.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    angelica wrote:
    I personally believe Kucinich is enlightened, and I know by that alone, hes achieved something beyond what mankind is accustomed to. :) Working authentically, with good intent and for the people for one's whole life is something I see as admirable. This includes people who do so to less degrees of authenticity or enlightenment, being only human.

    He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.
    My opinion that he's enlightened is based on my knowledge and awareness of enlightment, as well as my knowledge and awareness of the phenomena of self-actualization.

    I actually don't share all of his beliefs. I don't feel abrupt massive change is good for a people--especially if so many are opposed such beliefs. But, that's what a good old vote is for. It will represent the voters and the silent vote of non-voters.

    In the end, I'm all for people getting out and sharing an enlightened message to the masses, especially one that indicates the future of humankind. Not too many are doing so. It's quite MARVEL-ous. :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    He is enlightened because you associate with his political beliefs. There are people out there who may think that George Bush is enlightened and he is surely not a candidate for the title of modern day marvel. It takes far more than being a nice genuine person to be considered a marvel in my book.

    And he has proven himself to be selfless, true and a man of principle. The things he has done in his career does put him waaay above the rest, imo. What has Bush done that could be seen in this way?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I guess you're surrounded by a world full of crazy willing participants called society.

    Not really. Right now I'm surrounded by a bunch of willing participants known as co-workers. I don't call them "society". I mostly call them by first name.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Not really. Right now I'm surrounded by a bunch of willing participants known as co-workers. I don't call them "society". I mostly call them by first name.

    Oh, they don't pay taxes which pay for the guns to your head?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And he has proven himself to be selfless, true and a man of principle. The things he has done in his career does put him waaay above the rest, imo. What has Bush done that could be seen in this way?

    Your asking the wrong person because I believe Bush to be a complete ass, but it doesn't take a genius to know that there are still people out there that our loyal Bush supports and do view him that way. As far as Kucinich, there are politicians in Washington who have done as much as he has, not putting down his accomplishments, and are not hailed as modern day marvels. I respect Kucinich because he seems like a man of good principles and integrity but he is no marvel.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    mammasan wrote:
    Your asking the wrong person because I believe Bush to be a complete ass, but it doesn't take a genius to know that there are still people out there that our loyal Bush supports and do view him that way. As far as Kucinich, there are politicians in Washington who have done as much as he has, not putting down his accomplishments, and are not hailed as modern day marvels. I respect Kucinich because he seems like a man of good principles and integrity but he is no marvel.
    To spend 30 years in politics and remain a man of principles and integrity is a marvel in itself, no?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    To spend 30 years in politics and remain a man of principles and integrity is a marvel in itself, no?

    Very much so..and very few have done it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    hippiemom wrote:
    To spend 30 years in politics and remain a man of principles and integrity is a marvel in itself, no?

    No it just means that we as Americans elect shitty politicians.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    mammasan wrote:
    No it just means that we as Americans elect shitty politicians.
    I have seen more than one good, decent person turn into a shitty politician as they climbed the ladder of political success. It is incredibly difficult to maintain your integrity in the system as it exists today. I think that Kucinich has definitely done it, and although I know much less about Ron Paul, that he may very well have done it too. And I do think it's a marvel.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    mammasan wrote:
    No
    So, irrespective of the people's votes, are you saying to remain in politics for 30 years and to remain true to your integrity is not exceptional?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Oh, they don't pay taxes which pay for the guns to your head?

    They do pay taxes, although techinically speaking they really don't since I'm forced by law to withhold the money from their paychecks so they never even get it in the first place. But, regardless, this is where the "willing" part of your earlier statement goes out the window. Absent the law, I'd give them that money and I suspect most of them would keep it for their own purposes and choices.
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