Population Control and Gov't Assistance

miller8966

VictoryGin wrote:

i used to teach a sex ed class for young new moms on welfare--it must vary by state then? it has been a long week. anyway, while that class was important because many of the women didn't know of these things, it also really emphasized the need for preventative measures as well as access. i think there should be comprehensive sex ed in schools and access to contraception for those who cannot afford it.

If you cant afford codoms you shouldnt be having sex.

farfromglorified

I'm really starting to hate the word "access", but whatever.

farfromglorified

miller8966 wrote:

If you cant afford codoms you shouldnt be having sex.

Wow...if your advice were valid you wouldn't even be here.

CorporateWhore

farfromglorified wrote:

Wow...if your advice were valid you wouldn't even be here.

So are you saying that condoms should be made available through our tax dollars?

farfromglorified

CorporateWhore wrote:

So are you saying that condoms should be made available through our tax dollars?

Of course not. Buying condoms with tax dollars is ridiculous.

I'm just saying that people predate condoms. So I'm not sure what miller's pre-condom predecessors were supposed to be doing.

cincybearcat

1970RR wrote:

So what happens when people avoid governmental assistance due to these "surgeries" and are pursued for failing to provide for their offspring? Due we confiscate the kids or force the surgery & benefits?

So you want me to explain a process I already said I disagreed with?

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

The problem is that there are hard working people who may fall upon hard times and do need government assistance for a period of time to help them get on their feet. Should they have to choose between a little help to get up and running or having the ability to have children.

True, and like I have said, I don;t agree with that plan.

However, playing devil's advocate...someone falls on hard time...gets gov't assistance...so long as they don;t have a kid while receiving the assistance, they wouldn;t have to have the surgery.

miller8966

farfromglorified wrote:

Wow...if your advice were valid you wouldn't even be here.

my rents could afford condoms, they chose not too because they knew i was the coming of the republican messiah.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

True, and like I have said, I don;t agree with that plan.

However, playing devil's advocate...someone falls on hard time...gets gov't assistance...so long as they don;t have a kid while receiving the assistance, they wouldn;t have to have the surgery.

Well I will play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate. What if the wife is already pregnant.

farfromglorified

miller8966 wrote:

my rents could afford condoms,

What were their ancestors who predated condoms supposed to do?

they chose not too because they knew i was the coming of the republican messiah.

Saying "republican messiah" is kind of like saying "swiss cheese balloon". The first term contradicts the latter.

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

Well I will play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate. What if the wife is already pregnant.

Pre-existing conditions get a pass.

farfromglorified

mammasan wrote:

I will play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate

You just blew my mind.....

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

Pre-existing conditions get a pass.

Ok.

enharmonic

miller8966 wrote:

If you cant afford condoms you shouldnt be having sex.

No condom, no problem.

That's why God gave women a mouth

RockinInCanada

farfromglorified wrote:

Wow...if your advice were valid you wouldn't even be here.

Just what I was thinking....

yield2me

even flow? wrote:

Say you are breezing right along through life, leading the American dream and then it ceases to be. Your children are about to starve. Should they just come and kill your children because you can't support them? Seems like this is where you are heading. Not my fault your company laid you off and now you can't make ends meet to feed your kids. Why should the onus be on my tax dollar. Lop their bloody heads off the parasites they have now become.

You're way off base. The point is that people are having kids intentionally to get the government handout...that is a problem don't you think?

RockinInCanada

yield2me wrote:

You're way off base. The point is that people are having kids intentionally to get the government handout...that is a problem don't you think?

How do you prove this....how would you ultimately determine, without a doubt, this was the case?

yield2me

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

How do you prove this....how would you ultimately determine, without a doubt, this was the case?

I said in an earlier post in this thread that my wife who is a teacher at a very urban school, has girls in her class that when asked about college tell her that they will just have babies and go on welfare like their mom or aunt does! This kind of thing is a reality, it's happening.

RockinInCanada

yield2me wrote:

I said in an earlier post in this thread that my wife who is a teacher at a very urban school, has girls in her class that when asked about college tell her that they will just have babies and go on welfare like their mom or aunt does! This kind of thing is a reality, it's happening.

I am not saying it does not happen...but really to prove this and deny assistance because you have the belief that someone is doing this...nothing sort of legal statement admitting to this would approve of any action towards the party involved...just saying you would be walking a very tight line with this type of mandate....so tight I do not think it is possible.....

angelica

Does anyone acknowledge we have social nets in place in our countries for reasons? There's a lot of blame going on in this thread and not quite as much understanding.

As for girls having children "deliberately to get the government handout", as one of "those girls" the messed up psychology involved goes wayyyy, wayyyy deeper. This is about girls who have serious problems, not girls who are looking to subsist on social assistance. It's clear that many sanction inhumane practices in order to "solve" these problems, and again I will say that thankfully those in power understand base psychology when it comes to such subjects.