Population Control and Gov't Assistance

yield2me

Curious about your thoughts on this issue. Seems to me that in this country our government assistance programs allow for people to have as many children as they wish and the tax payers pick up the bill. Should there be a limit on the number of children you can have and still get gov't assistance? Should there be stipulations such as keeping a steady job or making sure that your children stay in school before you are eligible for government money? What do you guys think?

farfromglorified

Personally, I think we should do the opposite. We should limit the amount of assistance the government should get from its citizens.

CorporateWhore

yield2me wrote:

Curious about your thoughts on this issue. Seems to me that in this country our government assistance programs allow for people to have as many children as they wish and the tax payers pick up the bill. Should there be a limit on the number of children you can have and still get gov't assistance? Should there be stipulations such as keeping a steady job or making sure that your children stay in school before you are eligible for government money? What do you guys think?

People who can no longer support their current number of children and are likely to have more children should have their tubes tied.

even flow?

CorporateWhore wrote:

People who can no longer support their current number of children and are likely to have more children should have their tubes tied.

How about the old snip for the gentlemen? They don't help to contribute to the making of a child. Sean Kemp is a good example!

angelica

CorporateWhore wrote:

People who can no longer support their current number of children and are likely to have more children should have their tubes tied.

Do you think it should be backed up legally? So that individuals are forced to have their tubes tied? How do you decide they are "likely to have more children"? Do you think we should force fathers who do not take care of their children to have vasectomies?

farfromglorified

CorporateWhore wrote:

People who can no longer support their current number of children and are likely to have more children should have their tubes tied.

People who support forced surgeries should have their heads examined, no pun intended.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

Do you think we should force fathers who do not take care of their children to have vasectomies?

Yes.

cincybearcat

Remove the economic incentive to have more children.

Create an education program that forces all individuals over the age of 14 that receive gov't aid to attend that covers all the issues that lead to needing governemnt assitance...sex ed, job training opportunities, life skills courses...etc.

Up front capital investment but will reduce the costs of the program longterm.

farfromglorified

surferdude wrote:

Yes.

Sweet fancy moses......

angelica

surferdude wrote:

Yes.

While I can get behind the underlying sentiment, do you really think this type of control of people is a good thing, ultimately?

CorporateWhore

even flow? wrote:

How about the old snip for the gentlemen? They don't help to contribute to the making of a child. Sean Kemp is a good example!

Sure, why not?

angelica

CorporateWhore wrote:

Sure, why not?

Aren't you the guy adamantly opposed to having your basic liberties taken from you?

CorporateWhore

angelica wrote:

Do you think it should be backed up legally? So that individuals are forced to have their tubes tied? How do you decide they are "likely to have more children"? Do you think we should force fathers who do not take care of their children to have vasectomies?

People should be legally able to have as many children as they want.

But, if they decide to have more than they can support and they ask the government for help, then with the support from the government they must also be required to have their tubes tied or a visectomy for men.

The easy answer? Don't ask the fucking government for help. But, if you REALLY REALLY need it, then you can't have anymore babies.

farfromglorified

CorporateWhore wrote:

Sure, why not?

Why not? Ok, let me take a shot at that:

You've signed on to forcing another human being's body to be physically altered based on a subjective judgment that he does not "take care of his kids". Now, suppose I decide that you can't take care of your own body because you ate at McDonalds last week. Should I have the right to sew your mouth shut? Or, how about if I decide that you're not a pious enough Christian because you didn't tithe? Should I be able to push you from a cliff and leave your judgment "up to God"????? Or let's say that the surgeon in your little scheme fucks up and botches the vasectomy. Should I be able to chop off his hands?

CorporateWhore

farfromglorified wrote:

Why not? Ok, let me take a shot at that:

You've signed on to forcing another human being's body to be physically altered based on a subjective judgment that he does not "take care of his kids". Now, suppose I decide that you can't take care of your own body because you ate at McDonalds last week. Should I have the right to sew your mouth shut? Or, how about if I decide that you're not a pious enough Christian because you didn't tithe? Should I be able to push you from a cliff and leave your judgment "up to God"????? Or let's say that the surgeon in your little scheme fucks up and botches the vasectomy. Should I be able to chop off his hands?

People should be legally able to have as many children as they want.

But, if they decide to have more than they can support and they ask the government for help, then with the support from the government they must also be required to have their tubes tied or a visectomy for men.

The easy answer? Don't ask the fucking government for help. But, if you REALLY REALLY need it, then you can't have anymore babies.

angelica

CorporateWhore wrote:

People should be legally able to have as many children as they want.

But, if they decide to have more than they can support and they ask the government for help, then with the support from the government they must also be required to have their tubes tied or a visectomy for men.

The easy answer? Don't ask the fucking government for help. But, if you REALLY REALLY need it, then you can't have anymore babies.

Fortuntely, as many problems as our governments have, they also have psychological information on humans. This awareness binds their hands in many ways, as they are in the business of keeping power and not losing it. Fortunately, they understand some basic human principles and what humans will tolerate and what they will rise up against (for the most part).

mammasan

CorporateWhore wrote:

People who can no longer support their current number of children and are likely to have more children should have their tubes tied.

Forced sterilization. You never stop amazing me.

angelica

mammasan wrote:

Forced sterilization. You never stop amazing me.

I think he's trying to pass it off as our choice if we want a government handout, but the average person can read between the lines. Condescending to your people in basic terms doesn't work too well among educated people.

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

Forced sterilization. You never stop amazing me.

While in practice and reality I don't agree with it....

It's not really forced, because no one is forcing them to ask for governmental assistance...they are choosing and it would be their choice.

yield2me

CorporateWhore wrote:

People should be legally able to have as many children as they want.

But, if they decide to have more than they can support and they ask the government for help, then with the support from the government they must also be required to have their tubes tied or a visectomy for men.

The easy answer? Don't ask the fucking government for help. But, if you REALLY REALLY need it, then you can't have anymore babies.

I agree with this completely.

yield2me

This problem seems like the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. My wife is a teacher and she tells me about her kids in her classes (urban high school). When she asks the kids where they want to go to college many of them tell her that they'll just have kids and live off the government! What kind of message are we sending to these kids?