G8 and Heiligendamm
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so, there is the G8 congress taking place in Germany this year
-in case some have not heard about it yet-
and so, besides Bobs engagement for Africa, the G8 meeting is covering all news. Some interesting developments are taking place here (f.e. you may not demonstrate anymore around Heiligendamm in a radius/ circle of 6 kilometers... but this is not my subject here.)
I was just thinking (drunken as I am/was) of an alternative to the G8 influence.
I believe that we NEED an alternative urgently to create changes finally.
What do you think about the idea of an circle of deciders, politicians that goes like this:
The alternitave to the G8 system:
some diplomatic chosen spokesmen for each of the 10 regions of the planet,
maybe all together 50 peole:
- Australia/ New Zealand
- China/Japan
- Rest of Asia
- India and East (so where to put the East - muslim world? to india or rest of asia?)
- Russia
- Europe
- Africa
- South America
- USA
- Canada+Pole States (including indians and escimos)
..those chosen spokesmen would discuss the world economics, climate change, Africas high death rate, war and terrorism... all important stuff just, tha stuff that will be on the list in Heiligendamm.
..maybe this comes even near the idea of Mr. George W. Bush, who would like to have a circle of the 15 most influencal and rich countries to discuss climate change politics for the year 2008,
a denial to the subject already before his arrival here.
all happening in Heiligendamm....
and p.s.: sorry but I wont be able to go into discussion right ahead:
bed time in Germany and no access to the internet at the work place, but early bird shift. :(
...but nevertheless, I look forward to some reflections.
-in case some have not heard about it yet-
and so, besides Bobs engagement for Africa, the G8 meeting is covering all news. Some interesting developments are taking place here (f.e. you may not demonstrate anymore around Heiligendamm in a radius/ circle of 6 kilometers... but this is not my subject here.)
I was just thinking (drunken as I am/was) of an alternative to the G8 influence.
I believe that we NEED an alternative urgently to create changes finally.
What do you think about the idea of an circle of deciders, politicians that goes like this:
The alternitave to the G8 system:
some diplomatic chosen spokesmen for each of the 10 regions of the planet,
maybe all together 50 peole:
- Australia/ New Zealand
- China/Japan
- Rest of Asia
- India and East (so where to put the East - muslim world? to india or rest of asia?)
- Russia
- Europe
- Africa
- South America
- USA
- Canada+Pole States (including indians and escimos)
..those chosen spokesmen would discuss the world economics, climate change, Africas high death rate, war and terrorism... all important stuff just, tha stuff that will be on the list in Heiligendamm.
..maybe this comes even near the idea of Mr. George W. Bush, who would like to have a circle of the 15 most influencal and rich countries to discuss climate change politics for the year 2008,
a denial to the subject already before his arrival here.
all happening in Heiligendamm....
and p.s.: sorry but I wont be able to go into discussion right ahead:
bed time in Germany and no access to the internet at the work place, but early bird shift. :(
...but nevertheless, I look forward to some reflections.
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
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David Rising, Associated Press
Published: Saturday, June 02, 2007
ROSTOCK, Germany — Protesters with black hoods and bandanas covering their faces showered police with rocks and beer bottles Saturday, before the heavily armoured officers drove them back with water cannon and tear gas during a rally against an upcoming Group of Eight summit.
Black smoke from burning cars mingled with the sting of tear gas in the harbour-front area of the northern German town of Rostock, where tens of thousands of people had gathered peacefully at the start of the day. The clashes broke out among hundreds of stone-throwing demonstrators and police on the edges of the crowd as the rally progressed.
Some 146 police were hurt, 25 of them seriously. Police said they made 17 arrests.
It was an unruly start to what is expected to be a week of rallies against the three-day G8 summit beginning Wednesday in the fenced-off coastal resort of Heiligendamm, 22 kilometres from Rostock.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel will host the leaders of Britain, France, Japan, Italy, Russia, Canada and the United States for discussions on global warming, aid to Africa and the global economy. The summit, like past ones, is attracting protesters opposed to capitalism, globalization, the war in Iraq and the G8 itself.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=021cb633-99a4-42b9-b5bf-9aa197741082
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gue_barium wrote:
thanks for a reply
unfortunately I am not able to see the youtube video fully (have I mentioned before that I do not have a really good PC? - but mostly it works fine but not today :( )
Anyway, I guess I got the clue.
I am not sure if it is that bad with the G8, but I am convinced that it is time to get also other folks on that table of the big heads. To me it is just not fair that the G8 kinda rules the world and others, billions of peoples interests are left outside...
..that was the idea of my thread. There should be an alternative.
o.k. o.k. there is the UN, but unfortunately this institution has by now so many borders and rules so it seems that it is not able anymore to really change things.
And about your other post:
I am astonished: here some news papers like BILD (jaja) speak of 1000 injured people... not only 100s.
Even the number of injured police goes up the 400 here!
so thanks alot for posting an Canadian press release.
Nevertheless, what happened last night in Rostock is so sad to me, cause when I watched the news first time yesterday (during the afternoon), they said what a happy and peaceful demonstration it is...
but then sometime in the early evening it went the other side and all what is left in our heads now is, that people who go out to protest against the G8 cause violance and chaos ...
...there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.0 -
the G8 will never further positive change ... they are the wealthy only looking to maintain that wealth ... listening to them talk pains my stomach ...
as for the riots - they are never started by the real protestors ...
how many of the G8 leaders are not right wing conservatives? ...0 -
polaris wrote:the G8 will never further positive change ... they are the wealthy only looking to maintain that wealth ... listening to them talk pains my stomach ...
as for the riots - they are never started by the real protestors ...
how many of the G8 leaders are not right wing conservatives? ...
If you recall the civil rights movement of the 60's with MLK, the non-violent, and who he marched with, namely Stokely Carmichael, the "non-pacifist", you might see how I do in that two opposing philosophies in social change can and do, at times, compliment each other.
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gue_barium wrote:If you recall the civil rights movement of the 60's with MLK, the non-violent, and who he marched with, namely Stokely Carmichael, the "non-pacifist", you might see how I do in that two opposing philosophies in social change can and do, at times, compliment each other.
i'm sorry ... i'm not sure how that applies to my comment ...0 -
polaris wrote:i'm sorry ... i'm not sure how that applies to my comment ...
You said, "as for the riots, they're never started by real protesters..."
Well, in a well-organized protest, you are correct. They are usually started by the excessive force of the police. Self-defense, sometimes, and necessarily, takes a proactive stand against such aggression with aggression in kind.
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gue_barium wrote:You said, "as for the riots, they're never started by real protesters..."
Well, in a well-organized protest, you are correct. They are usually started by the excessive force of the police. Self-defense, sometimes, and necessarily, takes a proactive stand against such aggression with aggression in kind.
oh ... i believe the riots to be started by outside influences ... hooligans that are there for the potential trouble or are paid to get into trouble ...
in this particular case - the riots only serve media purposes ... and that of the establishment ...0 -
polaris wrote:oh ... i believe the riots to be started by outside influences ... hooligans that are there for the potential trouble or are paid to get into trouble ...
in this particular case - the riots only serve media purposes ... and that of the establishment ...
do you fear the establishment?
what is the establishment? if the media is power, then empower yourself.
if this establishment is some fecund, immobile, stagnant fact of life, then why do anything at all? why even voice an opinion?
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gue_barium wrote:do you fear the establishment?
what is the establishment? if the media is power, then empower yourself.
if this establishment is some fecund, immobile, stagnant fact of life, then why do anything at all? why even voice an opinion?
no ... i do not fear the establishment... the establishment is everyone that isn't interested in progressive change ... for the most part ...
am i giving the opinion that these protests are not important? ... because that is not my intention ... i am supportive of these protests - i do not think the riots are related to these protests ... they are diversionary to the purpose ... it allows everyone to focus on the violence rather then the message ...0 -
polaris wrote:no ... i do not fear the establishment... the establishment is everyone that isn't interested in progressive change ... for the most part ...
am i giving the opinion that these protests are not important? ... because that is not my intention ... i am supportive of these protests - i do not think the riots are related to these protests ... they are diversionary to the purpose ... it allows everyone to focus on the violence rather then the message ...
It is exciting, isn't it?
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gue_barium wrote:It is exciting, isn't it?
not to me0 -
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gue_barium wrote:And that's perfectly cool.
I don't know if you've attended any protests...
i've been to plenty ... i've done my share of cd ... and my experience is that violence at protests always detracts from the purpose ... it gives people who need a reason to ignore the message one ...0 -
polaris wrote:i've been to plenty ... i've done my share of cd ... and my experience is that violence at protests always detracts from the purpose ... it gives people who need a reason to ignore the message one ...
I'm not advocating violent protesting. Every protest has it's own theme and purpose.
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gue_barium wrote:I'm not advocating violent protesting. Every protest has it's own theme and purpose.
When does a protest become a demonstration? Or, are they one in the same?
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gue_barium wrote:When does a protest become a demonstration? Or, are they one in the same?
they can be one in the same ... assuming the demonstration is a protest ...0 -
gue_barium wrote:When does a protest become a demonstration? Or, are they one in the same?
Well, I think, generally, when people see or hear or read that a protest has gone down, or is going down they think (at least here in America), "damn hippies".
"Demonstration" has a little more punch. When the general population hears there's a demonstration going on: it's an action.
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gue_barium wrote:Well, I think, generally, when people see or hear or read that a protest has gone down, or is going down they think (at least here in America), "damn hippies".
"Demonstration" has a little more punch. When the general population hears there's a demonstration going on: it's an action.
it's quite possible ... hence why most things are fought through propaganda wars ...0 -
Yeah.polaris wrote:it's quite possible ... hence why most things are fought through propaganda wars ...
If you've fallen in with some experienced and well-organized organizers, that's a good thing, and it sounds like you have. There does come a time that it needs to be taken to the next level, and that doesn't mean violence, but it means being ready to know how to respond to violence.
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