Obtuse my ass. If you recognize some sort of self-determination in this line of thinking, I accept that. You shouldn't be calling it "obtuse." And you shouldn't be calling self-reflection the US of A.
What would you like us to do then gue?
Have another beer and berate EVERYTHING?
I'm really not getting why you're so negative about this and why it seems to be an issue for you to debate and you still haven't enlightened me as to why I should be thinking any differently which really, is the point of a discussion isn't it?
I'm really not getting why you're so negative about this and why it seems to be an issue for you to debate and you still haven't enlightened me as to why I should be thinking any differently which really, is the point of a discussion isn't it?
Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.
Well I'm not really sure what the problem is to be honest jeff but I'm starting to see why Allie didn't want to post the article. I mean seriously, why I bother coming to the Train stupidly hoping time and again for:
"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."
I'll never know? I mean I don't expect everyone to agree but I'd at least like to know why we don't.
And gee it would be nice to learn something instead of being pissed on from a great height for daring to speak!
Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.
Well I'm not really sure what the problem is to be honest jeff but I'm starting to see why Allie didn't want to post the article. I mean seriously, why I bother coming to the Train stupidly hoping time and again for:
"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."
I'll never know? I mean I don't expect everyone to agree but I'd at least like to know why we don't.
And gee it would be nice to learn something instead of being pissed on from a great height for daring to speak!
You think I'm knocking you, but I'm not. We all do it.
Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.
I understand what you are saying gue, but for instance, when the protests started in Myanmarr, were you going to quibble about who reported or just be thankful that you got to hear about it all?
It's got nothing to do with YAY for religious freedom even, I am simply acknowledging that I admire the Dalai Lama and I am pleased for whatever reason that he has been acknowledged.
I'm well aware that I'm considered too stupid by the great minds around here to be objective and selective when it comes to current events. This bothers me not at all. And perhaps I've not bothered to mention the Dalai Lama before today because I rarely bother mentioning anything on the Train?
To me it's become a big mutual mental masturbation game with a few regulars playing soggy biscuit and anybody else that wants to participate is shot down in flames for their ignorance and stupidity pretty fast as far as I can see. That doesn't mean that my view is less important or less informed, simply that I choose not to bother.
I understand what you are saying gue, but for instance, when the protests started in Myanmarr, were you going to quibble about who reported or just be thankful that you got to hear about it all?
It's got nothing to do with YAY for religious freedom even, I am simply acknowledging that I admire the Dalai Lama and I am pleased for whatever reason that he has been acknowledged.
I'm well aware that I'm considered too stupid by the great minds around here to be objective and selective when it comes to current events. This bothers me not at all. And perhaps I've not bothered to mention the Dalai Lama before today because I rarely bother mentioning anything on the Train?
To me it's become a big mutual mental masturbation game with a few regulars playing soggy biscuit and anybody else that wants to participate is shot down in flames for their ignorance and stupidity pretty fast as far as I can see. That doesn't mean that my view is less important or less informed, simply that I choose not to bother.
And frankly I'm wondering why I did today.
Sorry that I contributed to that.
But really, in this political chess game with the world, you getting cheesy grins from a Bush move?
You think I'm knocking you, but I'm not. We all do it.
Yeah, and it's a really shitty way to communicate and about as useful as said article.
The trouble with this place is that it's got so advesorial that people can't see the woods for the trees.
I'm quite sure that this crappy article is just the beginning of this story and we'll see much more comment and debate regarding the award and the issues surrounding it in the days, weeks, and months to come. But for now, crap article aside, and my apparent complete lack of interest in the Dalai Lama before today aside also, I'm pleased that he's been awarded this medal.
And now I'll wait to see what the ramifications of stating my pleasure will be when the smoke and mirrors clear and the "real" journalists and pundits get on board the debate.
Yeah, and it's a really shitty way to communicate and about as useful as said article.
The trouble with this place is that it's got so advesorial that people can't see the woods for the trees.
I'm quite sure that this crappy article is just the beginning of this story and we'll see much more comment and debate regarding the award and the issues surrounding it in the days, weeks, and months to come. But for now, crap article aside, and my apparent complete lack of interest in the Dalai Lama before today aside also, I'm pleased that he's been awarded this medal.
And now I'll wait to see what the ramifications of stating my pleasure will be when the smoke and mirrors clear and the "real" journalists and pundits get on board the debate.
Well, I don't need smoke and mirrors. I don't need pundits either. Most of all, I hardly ever use Google.
But really, in this political chess game with the world, you getting cheesy grins from a Bush move?
Sorry coz you contributed to soggy biscuit or sorry about something else?
Anyway, tis neither here nor there, and certainly was not my intention to get into a slanging match with you either.
And Yes! What compelled me to post the article in the first place was my shock at actually smiling at something George did, even though it will most likely prove to be just another chess move in the big world game.
I loathe George W, I think since before I was born, and I've NEVER seen him do ONE THING that I could hold up and say WOW who'd have thought that you'd do that? And I'm not gullible enough to imagine that he's done it for altruistic reasons, there will be motive, but in the meantime, until it's ruined, for what it is right now, I'm amazed that George and the US have done this. And it does make me smile.
Sorry coz you contributed to soggy biscuit or sorry about something else?
Anyway, tis neither here nor there, and certainly was not my intention to get into a slanging match with you either.
And Yes! What compelled me to post the article in the first place was my shock at actually smiling at something George did, even though it will most likely prove to be just another chess move in the big world game.
I loathe George W, I think since before I was born, and I've NEVER seen him do ONE THING that I could hold up and say WOW who'd have thought that you'd do that? And I'm not gullible enough to imagine that he's done it for altruistic reasons, there will be motive, but in the meantime, until it's ruined, for what it is right now, I'm amazed that George and the US have done this. And it does make me smile.
It just goes to show how politicized the "world" has become. In his right mind, would the Dalai Lama even be seen with the Bush fellow?
Well, I don't need smoke and mirrors. I don't need pundits either. Most of all, I hardly ever use Google.
Well I rarely bother with news, end of story. But I'd rather go hunting around google than watch the
Horror movie right there on my TV
Horror movie and there's known abuse
Horror movie, it's the six-thirty news
Horror movie, it's the six-thirty news
and I don't read the print media much either because it's about as useful and I'm not one for wasting trees.
So sometimes things interest me, this would be one thing and now I'll wait and see if Kerry O'Brien has something to say about it, because I mostly respect his presentation.
So what do you think is going to happen now gue? What agenda do you think george has?
It just goes to show how politicized the "world" has become. In his right mind, would the Dalai Lama even be seen with the Bush fellow?
The Dalai Lama is media savvy, he's had to be. He wants freedom for Tibet. So yeah, I guess he does have to lay down and let George screw him if he has weighed up the options and decided it's better than the sick shit China is inflicting on him and his people. I suppose to him it's a means to an objective.
The Dalai Lama is media savvy, he's had to be. He wants freedom for Tibet. So yeah, I guess he does have to lay down and let George screw him if he has weighed up the options and decided it's better than the sick shit China is inflicting on him and his people. I suppose to him it's a means to an objective.
I understand that.
Yet, where is the self-determination in that? I've never met a Buddhist I didn't like, but I don't like this guy, and he's the leader of them all?
Everyone has an agenda, that doesn't mean everyone or every act is evil.
Does everyone have an agenda though? Are you talking politics or people in general? Plenty of people just trying to get through their day reacting to the things that go on around them and to them. They don't have time or the luxury of agendas.
But I agree that not everyone is evil. I'd actually go so far to say that nobody is ALL good or ALL evil. Good and evil reside in everyone to greater or lesser degrees and by that logic, I really only see EVIL ACTS or GOOD DEADS.
We are all capable of both.
Yet, where is the self-determination in that? I've never met a Buddhist I didn't like, but I don't like this guy, and he's the leader of them all?
How ironic! He's one of the few religious leaders I have any time for, not to mention one of the few leaders of people. BUT I admit that I limit my exposure to him so that he doesn't have the opportunity to burst my bubble. My basic sense of the man is he is a good person, after that I consider him human and therefore fallible, so I guess my expectations of him are not high, but then my expectations of most humans are not high.
Perhaps he will afford himself the luxury of self-determination when his objective has been reached?
How ironic! He's one of the few religious leaders I have any time for, not to mention one of the few leaders of people. BUT I admit that I limit my exposure to him so that he doesn't have the opportunity to burst my bubble. My basic sense of the man is he is a good person, after that I consider him human and therefore fallible, so I guess my expectations of him are not high, but then my expectations of most humans are not high.
Perhaps he will afford himself the luxury of self-determination when his objective has been reached?
I think Catefrances said it best about the sentient respect given to all in the now. I mean, I can understand it that way... still a bit hard-pressed given the crimes of this administration gone unseen by even a buddhist.
I think Catefrances said it best about the sentient respect given to all in the now. I mean, I can understand it that way... still a bit hard-pressed given the crimes of this administration gone unseen by even a buddhist.
See? I knew if we talked long enough I'd understand better. That ^ I get!
I can understand your objection to the award based on that.
I share the same concerns, however, I do believe that given just how long this Tibet thing has gone on, and how completely unbudging the Chinese have been on the issue that perhaps the Dalai Lama is being nothing if not pragmatic? I mean if the US government had told him he was being considered and he'd refused the award, where would that get him and his people? But I do get that as a buddhist it seems odd that he would dance with the devil, so to speak but perhaps from his perspective it is the lesser of two evils? I don't know, just summising.
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What would you like us to do then gue?
Have another beer and berate EVERYTHING?
I'm really not getting why you're so negative about this and why it seems to be an issue for you to debate and you still haven't enlightened me as to why I should be thinking any differently which really, is the point of a discussion isn't it?
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That's it! Gue is just an angry drunk.
Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.
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Well I'm not really sure what the problem is to be honest jeff but I'm starting to see why Allie didn't want to post the article. I mean seriously, why I bother coming to the Train stupidly hoping time and again for:
"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."
I'll never know? I mean I don't expect everyone to agree but I'd at least like to know why we don't.
And gee it would be nice to learn something instead of being pissed on from a great height for daring to speak!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
if there were, we would have been privy to the meeting between bush and the dalai lama. why not even a photo made available to the press?
take a good look
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lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm feeling very peaceful tonight, thank you very much.
I even wrote an apology PM earlier for my out-of-control BS from a week ago.
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hold my hand
lie beside me
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You think I'm knocking you, but I'm not. We all do it.
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I understand what you are saying gue, but for instance, when the protests started in Myanmarr, were you going to quibble about who reported or just be thankful that you got to hear about it all?
It's got nothing to do with YAY for religious freedom even, I am simply acknowledging that I admire the Dalai Lama and I am pleased for whatever reason that he has been acknowledged.
I'm well aware that I'm considered too stupid by the great minds around here to be objective and selective when it comes to current events. This bothers me not at all. And perhaps I've not bothered to mention the Dalai Lama before today because I rarely bother mentioning anything on the Train?
To me it's become a big mutual mental masturbation game with a few regulars playing soggy biscuit and anybody else that wants to participate is shot down in flames for their ignorance and stupidity pretty fast as far as I can see. That doesn't mean that my view is less important or less informed, simply that I choose not to bother.
And frankly I'm wondering why I did today.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
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that won't be necessary gue, just think about what you're thinking and how you choose to express it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sorry that I contributed to that.
But really, in this political chess game with the world, you getting cheesy grins from a Bush move?
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50% of the time.
Are you my soulmate?
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Yeah, and it's a really shitty way to communicate and about as useful as said article.
The trouble with this place is that it's got so advesorial that people can't see the woods for the trees.
I'm quite sure that this crappy article is just the beginning of this story and we'll see much more comment and debate regarding the award and the issues surrounding it in the days, weeks, and months to come. But for now, crap article aside, and my apparent complete lack of interest in the Dalai Lama before today aside also, I'm pleased that he's been awarded this medal.
And now I'll wait to see what the ramifications of stating my pleasure will be when the smoke and mirrors clear and the "real" journalists and pundits get on board the debate.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Well, I don't need smoke and mirrors. I don't need pundits either. Most of all, I hardly ever use Google.
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i don't know gue, maybe. how black is your soul?
oh the biggest thing that shits me about you posting this article jeanie is that you friggin' spelt receives incorrectly. :rolleyes:
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Sorry coz you contributed to soggy biscuit or sorry about something else?
Anyway, tis neither here nor there, and certainly was not my intention to get into a slanging match with you either.
And Yes! What compelled me to post the article in the first place was my shock at actually smiling at something George did, even though it will most likely prove to be just another chess move in the big world game.
I loathe George W, I think since before I was born, and I've NEVER seen him do ONE THING that I could hold up and say WOW who'd have thought that you'd do that? And I'm not gullible enough to imagine that he's done it for altruistic reasons, there will be motive, but in the meantime, until it's ruined, for what it is right now, I'm amazed that George and the US have done this. And it does make me smile.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
It just goes to show how politicized the "world" has become. In his right mind, would the Dalai Lama even be seen with the Bush fellow?
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yes he would. his compassion and respect for all sentient beings im afraid does include george W.
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well I rarely bother with news, end of story. But I'd rather go hunting around google than watch the
Horror movie right there on my TV
Horror movie and there's known abuse
Horror movie, it's the six-thirty news
Horror movie, it's the six-thirty news
and I don't read the print media much either because it's about as useful and I'm not one for wasting trees.
So sometimes things interest me, this would be one thing and now I'll wait and see if Kerry O'Brien has something to say about it, because I mostly respect his presentation.
So what do you think is going to happen now gue? What agenda do you think george has?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
The Dalai Lama is media savvy, he's had to be. He wants freedom for Tibet. So yeah, I guess he does have to lay down and let George screw him if he has weighed up the options and decided it's better than the sick shit China is inflicting on him and his people. I suppose to him it's a means to an objective.
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I understand that.
Yet, where is the self-determination in that? I've never met a Buddhist I didn't like, but I don't like this guy, and he's the leader of them all?
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I suppose. That's a good point, actually.
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Does everyone have an agenda though? Are you talking politics or people in general? Plenty of people just trying to get through their day reacting to the things that go on around them and to them. They don't have time or the luxury of agendas.
But I agree that not everyone is evil. I'd actually go so far to say that nobody is ALL good or ALL evil. Good and evil reside in everyone to greater or lesser degrees and by that logic, I really only see EVIL ACTS or GOOD DEADS.
We are all capable of both.
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Hold on to the thread
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How ironic!
Perhaps he will afford himself the luxury of self-determination when his objective has been reached?
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I think Catefrances said it best about the sentient respect given to all in the now. I mean, I can understand it that way... still a bit hard-pressed given the crimes of this administration gone unseen by even a buddhist.
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See? I knew if we talked long enough I'd understand better.
I can understand your objection to the award based on that.
I share the same concerns, however, I do believe that given just how long this Tibet thing has gone on, and how completely unbudging the Chinese have been on the issue that perhaps the Dalai Lama is being nothing if not pragmatic? I mean if the US government had told him he was being considered and he'd refused the award, where would that get him and his people? But I do get that as a buddhist it seems odd that he would dance with the devil, so to speak but perhaps from his perspective it is the lesser of two evils? I don't know, just summising.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift