Dalai Lama recieves Congressional Gold Medal

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

Nor does petty bullshit advance us past 8th grade gue. So I say put up or shut up. I'd be happy to read a better article or your take on it if you're not going to degenerate into petty insults and juvenile behaviour.

If you're not happy with my education on the matter then please enlighten me. Here's your big opportunity.

Simply put, I'm disappointed that you take this article to be something you would hold in such self-regard as to actually mean something.

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

here's my favourite part:

U.S. lawmakers regularly criticize Beijing for human rights abuses and a massive military buildup and claim that China ignores abuse by unsavory foreign governments in Sudan and Myanmar in its pursuit of energy and business deals.

Yeah, well nobody says it isn't the pot calling the kettle cate!

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

What do you mean "when" cate?

Seems to me they've been a demand feed baby suckling mother earth dry for a while now.

okay i should have said whenever or every time.



a demand fed baby suckling mother earth dry? remind you of anyone else?

gue_barium

catefrances wrote:

here's my favourite part:

U.S. lawmakers regularly criticize Beijing for human rights abuses and a massive military buildup and claim that China ignores abuse by unsavory foreign governments in Sudan and Myanmar in its pursuit of energy and business deals.

Now see, that's a topic for discussion.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Simply put, I'm disappointed that you take this article to be something you would hold in such self-regard as to actually mean something.

You're entirely missing the point. It's not like I am completely unaware of how the media works in this day and age. But if we're all gonna hold out for unbiased, well written articles then the news is going to pass us by while we wait. Rupert has made sure of that.

jeffbr

gue_barium wrote:

Sure you are.

What cause, exactly, are you talking about anyway? Ahem:

In Tibetan Buddhism, the successive Dalai Lamas form a lineage of allegedly reborn (tulku) magistrates which traces back to 1391. They are of the Gelug sect of Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhists believe the Dalai Lama to be one of innumerable incarnations of Avalokiteśvara ("Chenrezig" [spyan ras gzigs] in Tibetan), the bodhisattva of compassion.[1] Between the 17th century and 1959, the Dalai Lama was the head of the Tibetan government, administering a large portion of the country from the capital Lhasa. He is often styled "His Holiness" (HH) before his title.

Yeah, Jeffbr, that's you.

Obtuse.

I know the US can't say/do anything which might meet with your approval. If we ignore the situation that would be a problem. If we point out any issues, it only highlights our hypocracy. What would you like to see?

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

okay i should have said whenever or every time.



a demand fed baby suckling mother earth dry? remind you of anyone else?

Reminds me of a lot of countries and people. Seems to be the way of the world. Which is why I'm pleased that for whatever reason, as jeff said, a "baby step" has been taken to acknowledge the existence and work of a good man. Yeah, it will all go to hell in a hand basket soon enough. But I personally, regardless of the language used or the tone of the article, or even the players involved, am happy in this moment on this day that he has been acknowledged. I'd even go so far as to say that I'm considerably more happy about him being acknowledged in this way than I was about Al Gore receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

gue wants to watch the world burn.

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

Obtuse.

I know the US can't say/do anything which might meet with your approval. If we ignore the situation that would be a problem. If we point out any issues, it only highlights our hypocracy. What would you like to see?

Obtuse my ass. If you recognize some sort of self-determination in this line of thinking, I accept that. You shouldn't be calling it "obtuse." And you shouldn't be calling self-reflection the US of A.

gue_barium

MrSmith wrote:

gue wants to watch the world burn.

Hardly. Hehee.

I want people to think about what they are thinking.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Obtuse my ass. If you recognize some sort of self-determination in this line of thinking, I accept that. You shouldn't be calling it "obtuse." And you shouldn't be calling self-reflection the US of A.

What would you like us to do then gue?

Have another beer and berate EVERYTHING?

I'm really not getting why you're so negative about this and why it seems to be an issue for you to debate and you still haven't enlightened me as to why I should be thinking any differently which really, is the point of a discussion isn't it?

jeffbr

Jeanie wrote:

What would you like us to do then gue?

Have another beer and berate EVERYTHING?

That's it! Gue is just an angry drunk.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

What would you like us to do then gue?

Have another beer and berate EVERYTHING?

I'm really not getting why you're so negative about this and why it seems to be an issue for you to debate and you still haven't enlightened me as to why I should be thinking any differently which really, is the point of a discussion isn't it?

Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.

Jeanie

jeffbr wrote:

That's it! Gue is just an angry drunk.

Well I'm not really sure what the problem is to be honest jeff but I'm starting to see why Allie didn't want to post the article. I mean seriously, why I bother coming to the Train stupidly hoping time and again for:

"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."

I'll never know? I mean I don't expect everyone to agree but I'd at least like to know why we don't.

And gee it would be nice to learn something instead of being pissed on from a great height for daring to speak!

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

Well, rest assured, there is no honesty to it.

if there were, we would have been privy to the meeting between bush and the dalai lama. why not even a photo made available to the press?

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

That's it! Gue is just an angry drunk.

I'm feeling very peaceful tonight, thank you very much.

I even wrote an apology PM earlier for my out-of-control BS from a week ago.

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.

http://forums.pearljam.com/search.php?searchid=1710685

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

Well I'm not really sure what the problem is to be honest jeff but I'm starting to see why Allie didn't want to post the article. I mean seriously, why I bother coming to the Train stupidly hoping time and again for:

"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."

I'll never know? I mean I don't expect everyone to agree but I'd at least like to know why we don't.

And gee it would be nice to learn something instead of being pissed on from a great height for daring to speak!

You think I'm knocking you, but I'm not. We all do it.

gue_barium

catefrances wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/search.php?searchid=1710685

I'm in trouble.

I will read "On the Road" out loud to my co-workers for ten days straight to pay penance.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Jeanie... I just think we here need to acknowledge "the source" (common theme lately) of what we are reading in these kinds of things. It may be the greatest thing since the Burma protests before the massacre, but lets lend some realistic enthusisiasm for the event. It's kind of like this, "yay" for the Dalai Lama sort of thing, "yay, religious freedom," "yay for the little guy against big, bad China government." And I'm fine with that to the point that it is tempered with your own place in this scheme. And as long as I've been here I haven't seen a one of you ever mention the Dalai Lama before today.

I understand what you are saying gue, but for instance, when the protests started in Myanmarr, were you going to quibble about who reported or just be thankful that you got to hear about it all?

It's got nothing to do with YAY for religious freedom even, I am simply acknowledging that I admire the Dalai Lama and I am pleased for whatever reason that he has been acknowledged.

I'm well aware that I'm considered too stupid by the great minds around here to be objective and selective when it comes to current events. This bothers me not at all. And perhaps I've not bothered to mention the Dalai Lama before today because I rarely bother mentioning anything on the Train?

To me it's become a big mutual mental masturbation game with a few regulars playing soggy biscuit and anybody else that wants to participate is shot down in flames for their ignorance and stupidity pretty fast as far as I can see. That doesn't mean that my view is less important or less informed, simply that I choose not to bother.

And frankly I'm wondering why I did today.