Why does this happen?

kenny olav

the human mind can be a fragile thing. maybe that's an oversimplification, but it's true. i think that the potential to kill lies within all of us. i think we have to examine ourselves and our societies to prevent suicide/murder/war.

manipulatedliving

Kenny Olav wrote:

the human mind can be a fragile thing. maybe that's an oversimplification, but it's true. i think that the potential to kill lies within all of us. i think we have to examine ourselves and our societies to prevent suicide/murder/war.

This is very true. Your mind can be so skewed by things that have happened to you, or as some people say your mind has fallen to the product of your environment. It just depends, but some people can be extremely influenced by a very small matter, and pretty much make a mountain out of a mole hill about it, and others are just the opposite, so you never really know I guess unless you ARE that person.

Heineken Helen

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

A cousin of mine threw herself and her young children off a cliff, many years ago. Fuck knows why.

:( sorry... and to you kcherub.

This is something I've often wondered and think I had a thread a long time ago... there's been a spate of 'familicides' in Ireland over the past few years and it really defies belief.

I don't know why but my heart goes out to the dad who jumped off a hotel balcony in a fit of rage with his two kids... his son died, he and his daughter survived. I know my sympathy should not be with him... but if people are capable of doing something like that in a moment of madness... what sort of thoughts are you left to live with? Since all of his suicide attempts since have been stopped. I don't think there is any point forcing someone like him to live.

Anon

Jeanie wrote:

I really want someone to explain this to me so I get it because it keeps happening and I really don't understand why.

Jeanie, i don't understand either. what is going on back home :(
this is becoming an all to often event. This time a grandpa kills his wife, 2 grand kids and also tries to kill his daughter?? No one ever knows what goes on in the head of people that do things like this. But his grandkids??? his daughter was a police officer, left the kids with them while she was working. jesus christ.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=589359

Edit: The article has been updated to say that the grandpa got depressed recently because a few years ago his son comitted suicide. Maybe the answer lies in there somewhere. Very sad for all concerned.

Obsidian22

There isn't much I can say as to why people do the things they do, or hurt the ones they love. You of all the amazing pitters have a been a strength to me over the last 2 years.
You have made me laugh and cry, but mostly laugh in the face of adversity. You know my story about my brother. He hanged himself on July 11, 2006 shortly after his wife left him with my 2 nieces. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't thank "the Universe" for sparing their lives. My brother had many drug and depression issues. I loved him, but he also wasn't "right "in the head for a long time.( from his work related accident). I still cannot get over the tragic events. I am not sure I am supposed to. I will say this though, living, loving and breathing is all I care to do fully.
Try and be strong and not get too emotionally involved. Our hearts are full of compassion, and that is all that counts. Share your love and laughter. GO and visit your new neice. If there is anything more life affirming it's you rnew little sweety. Love you!

Jeanie

kcherub wrote:

Thanks, Jeanie.

I am with on that--I feel sympathy for people who feel like harming themselves, but when you take others "with you"...it's just cruel and unjust.

Take care,

I agree, but it happens and seemingly with alarming regularity. Depression and suicidal tendencies I understand but it's the manifestation of this homicidal rage in some people that I don't understand. Trying to put myself in their shoes, I wonder all the time why they don't just take themselves out and be done with it. I mean it's sad that people do that, turn their anger inward and harm themselves but I don't understand this outward rage, this desire to kill others if you're going to end it for yourself anyway.

**sigh** It's just so sad K. So very sad and I'm sorry that you've had to experience it in such a personal way.

Jeanie

baraka wrote:

I agree Jeanie, as a mother, I have the same question. I mean, it is ingrained as a parent to protect your child from harm. As you can probably tell, I have no answer for you. :(

Edit: kcherub, my condolences for your loss. I can't imagine going through something like you did.

That's ok baraka, I understand. And I agree that mostly for people their nurture and protect instinct always kicks in, I just really want to know how or why it doesn't so spectatularly badly for some people sometimes. I wonder what the process is. How the neurotransmitters operate. WISH that someone was able to scientifically explain it to me because I hope with insight that we can eventually stop this ever happening again. Then I wonder if it's so hardwired into all of us and only randomness that makes it present itself.
I don't know. Ryan would know or have a theory at least.

Jeanie

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

A cousin of mine threw herself and her young children off a cliff, many years ago. Fuck knows why.

Oh Fins. :( That's horrible. I'm sorry.

Jeanie

Kenny Olav wrote:

the human mind can be a fragile thing. maybe that's an oversimplification, but it's true. i think that the potential to kill lies within all of us. i think we have to examine ourselves and our societies to prevent suicide/murder/war.

I agree Kenny. I think this does lie within all of us, I just wonder why it manifests in some and not others.

Jeanie

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Jeanie, i don't understand either. what is going on back home :(
this is becoming an all to often event. This time a grandpa kills his wife, 2 grand kids and also tries to kill his daughter?? No one ever knows what goes on in the head of people that do things like this. But his grandkids??? his daughter was a police officer, left the kids with them while she was working. jesus christ.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=589359

Edit: The article has been updated to say that the grandpa got depressed recently because a few years ago his son comitted suicide. Maybe the answer lies in there somewhere. Very sad for all concerned.

Hi gurl.

I was coming back into this thread this morning to post about this because it's just blown the top of my head off with incomprehension.
I simply cannot fathom this one at all. It just makes me so very sad and confused and angry all at the same time. :(
I don't understand why the loss of one child would then cause a depressive episode so severe that you had to inflict murderous intent on other loved ones. Just takes my breath away.
They're saying he took off to Hay, booked himself into a motel, cool as a cucumber, ordered bacon and eggs for breakfast and was possibly on his way to Newcastle to finish off his son in law. :eek:
The reports coming out are just horrific. Especially the children. It's enough to make you weep really.

Jeanie

double post. :rolleyes:

Jeanie

Obsidian22 wrote:

There isn't much I can say as to why people do the things they do, or hurt the ones they love. You of all the amazing pitters have a been a strength to me over the last 2 years.
You have made me laugh and cry, but mostly laugh in the face of adversity. You know my story about my brother. He hanged himself on July 11, 2006 shortly after his wife left him with my 2 nieces. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't thank "the Universe" for sparing their lives. My brother had many drug and depression issues. I loved him, but he also wasn't "right "in the head for a long time.( from his work related accident). I still cannot get over the tragic events. I am not sure I am supposed to. I will say this though, living, loving and breathing is all I care to do fully.
Try and be strong and not get too emotionally involved. Our hearts are full of compassion, and that is all that counts. Share your love and laughter. GO and visit your new neice. If there is anything more life affirming it's you rnew little sweety. Love you!

(((HUGS))) to you sweet girl. This is so very true what you say, that the only response really that we can make to this kind of tragic rage and anger is love. Some things just hit a nerve I guess. I suppose I am simply trying to make some sense of it in the hope that we can stop it happening again. Nobody should die like that really. Of course it is probably me not wanting to face the reality of the human psyche, I don't know.
Anyway you're right lovely. Hug the niece, rub the belly, smile at strangers. All good counteractions. Spread the love.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Jeanie wrote:

(((HUGS))) to you sweet girl. This is so very true what you say, that the only response really that we can make to this kind of tragic rage and anger is love. Some things just hit a nerve I guess. I suppose I am simply trying to make some sense of it in the hope that we can stop it happening again. Nobody should die like that really. Of course it is probably me not wanting to face the reality of the human psyche, I don't know.
Anyway you're right lovely. Hug the niece, rub the belly, smile at strangers. All good counteractions. Spread the love.

I just like the fact that all 5 of your smilies were used up by simple, yellow smiles. Sometimes that's all you need, or want.

Jeanie

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I just like the fact that all 5 of your smilies were used up by simple, yellow smiles. Sometimes that's all you need, or want.

I use them subconsciously, much to other people's irritation.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Jeanie wrote:

I use them subconsciously, much to other people's irritation.

Well, I liked it.

Jeanie

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Well, I liked it.

Thank you.

Sludge Factory

In some instances where a father offs his children and ex I wonder if he ever even enjoyed having children of his own. Maybe it could be a scenario where he had kids only because his then-wife wanted children but if left up to him to make the decision he could've cared less. Maybe he only had children because it would make his partner happy and once things turned sour it didn't really matter.

Obsidian22

Perhaps we're not all meant to be parents, and maybe some people need to really re-evaluate their lives before having children. I know I did. It took my partner and I 2 years to fully and truly want to bring a new life into this world. Witnessing my own family's dissintegration and rising up from the ashes of my brother's suicide. It is still not easy, but I am in a more loving and peaceful state in my own life. We are expecting and so thrilled and over the moon about it. Time heals most wounds. All you need is love, love love.

Jeanie, I'll rub my belly for ya. Make a wish girlie! Lol.

Bee girl, be a girl
You know time is long
and life is short
Begin to live, while you still can.

Jeanie

Sludge Factory wrote:

In some instances where a father offs his children and ex I wonder if he ever even enjoyed having children of his own. Maybe it could be a scenario where he had kids only because his then-wife wanted children but if left up to him to make the decision he could've cared less. Maybe he only had children because it would make his partner happy and once things turned sour it didn't really matter.

That's a good theory actually Sludge. Doesn't really explain the Grandpa going postal but I have a bit of a theory on that. It seems interesting that the family had only just moved back in with the grandparents. Perhaps the grandfather just wasn't coping with the kids being around if he was used to a quiet life? Obviously that's still no excuse but I was wondering about it from that angle.

Obsidian22 wrote:

Jeanie, I'll rub my belly for ya. Make a wish girlie! Lol.

*~*~I wish for a happy, healthy pregnancy and a beautiful bouncing bubba for you and M. ~*~*

Oh and pics!! I want pics!!! .....oh and world peace!

Heineken Helen

there's been an update on the girl I went to school with who died in a fire along with her husband and their 5 kids last November :( the fire was started by that psycho bastard. It's so upsetting to think of the 13 year old girl found with the phone in one hand and rosary beads in the other. I barely remember her as a baby but it sounds like she's had a bad life :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7482956.stm

sounds like social services fucked up. This shoulda been prevented... all too often the case!