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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    double post. :rolleyes:
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Obsidian22 wrote:
    There isn't much I can say as to why people do the things they do, or hurt the ones they love. You of all the amazing pitters have a been a strength to me over the last 2 years.
    You have made me laugh and cry, but mostly laugh in the face of adversity. You know my story about my brother. He hanged himself on July 11, 2006 shortly after his wife left him with my 2 nieces. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't thank "the Universe" for sparing their lives. My brother had many drug and depression issues. I loved him, but he also wasn't "right "in the head for a long time.( from his work related accident). I still cannot get over the tragic events. I am not sure I am supposed to. I will say this though, living, loving and breathing is all I care to do fully.
    Try and be strong and not get too emotionally involved. Our hearts are full of compassion, and that is all that counts. Share your love and laughter. GO and visit your new neice. If there is anything more life affirming it's you rnew little sweety. Love you!

    (((HUGS))) to you sweet girl. :) This is so very true what you say, that the only response really that we can make to this kind of tragic rage and anger is love. :) Some things just hit a nerve I guess. I suppose I am simply trying to make some sense of it in the hope that we can stop it happening again. Nobody should die like that really. Of course it is probably me not wanting to face the reality of the human psyche, I don't know.
    Anyway you're right lovely. Hug the niece, rub the belly, smile at strangers. :) All good counteractions. :) Spread the love. :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    (((HUGS))) to you sweet girl. This is so very true what you say, that the only response really that we can make to this kind of tragic rage and anger is love. :) Some things just hit a nerve I guess. I suppose I am simply trying to make some sense of it in the hope that we can stop it happening again. Nobody should die like that really. Of course it is probably me not wanting to face the reality of the human psyche, I don't know.
    Anyway you're right lovely. Hug the niece, rub the belly, smile at strangers. :) All good counteractions. :) Spread the love. :)

    I just like the fact that all 5 of your smilies were used up by simple, yellow smiles. Sometimes that's all you need, or want. :)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I just like the fact that all 5 of your smilies were used up by simple, yellow smiles. Sometimes that's all you need, or want. :)

    :) I use them subconsciously, much to other people's irritation. :o
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    :) I use them subconsciously, much to other people's irritation. :o

    Well, I liked it. :)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Well, I liked it. :)

    Thank you. :)
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  • In some instances where a father offs his children and ex I wonder if he ever even enjoyed having children of his own. Maybe it could be a scenario where he had kids only because his then-wife wanted children but if left up to him to make the decision he could've cared less. Maybe he only had children because it would make his partner happy and once things turned sour it didn't really matter.
  • Obsidian22Obsidian22 Posts: 298
    Perhaps we're not all meant to be parents, and maybe some people need to really re-evaluate their lives before having children. I know I did. It took my partner and I 2 years to fully and truly want to bring a new life into this world. Witnessing my own family's dissintegration and rising up from the ashes of my brother's suicide. It is still not easy, but I am in a more loving and peaceful state in my own life. We are expecting and so thrilled and over the moon about it. Time heals most wounds. All you need is love, love love.

    Jeanie, I'll rub my belly for ya. Make a wish girlie! Lol.

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    In some instances where a father offs his children and ex I wonder if he ever even enjoyed having children of his own. Maybe it could be a scenario where he had kids only because his then-wife wanted children but if left up to him to make the decision he could've cared less. Maybe he only had children because it would make his partner happy and once things turned sour it didn't really matter.

    That's a good theory actually Sludge. :) Doesn't really explain the Grandpa going postal but I have a bit of a theory on that. It seems interesting that the family had only just moved back in with the grandparents. Perhaps the grandfather just wasn't coping with the kids being around if he was used to a quiet life? Obviously that's still no excuse but I was wondering about it from that angle. :)
    Obsidian22 wrote:
    Jeanie, I'll rub my belly for ya. Make a wish girlie! Lol.

    *~*~I wish for a happy, healthy pregnancy and a beautiful bouncing bubba for you and M. :) ~*~*

    Oh and pics!! I want pics!!! :D .....oh and world peace! ;)
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    there's been an update on the girl I went to school with who died in a fire along with her husband and their 5 kids last November :( the fire was started by that psycho bastard. It's so upsetting to think of the 13 year old girl found with the phone in one hand and rosary beads in the other. I barely remember her as a baby but it sounds like she's had a bad life :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7482956.stm

    sounds like social services fucked up. This shoulda been prevented... all too often the case!
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    there's been an update on the girl I went to school with who died in a fire along with her husband and their 5 kids last November :( the fire was started by that psycho bastard. It's so upsetting to think of the 13 year old girl found with the phone in one hand and rosary beads in the other. I barely remember her as a baby but it sounds like she's had a bad life :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7482956.stm

    sounds like social services fucked up. This shoulda been prevented... all too often the case!

    :( Oh Hels, that's just awful. I'm sorry.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Jeanie wrote:
    :( Oh Hels, that's just awful. I'm sorry.
    It's ok, I wasn't friends with the girl or anything but just knew her as much as everyone knows everyone where I'm from and it was a shock to hear that at the time. At least in other cases you can pretend the kids died in their sleep or didn't know what was going on sometimes. This girl had called the police a few weeks earlier cos of a row. She knew exactly what was going on :( It just doesn't even bear thinking about.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    It's ok, I wasn't friends with the girl or anything but just knew her as much as everyone knows everyone where I'm from and it was a shock to hear that at the time. At least in other cases you can pretend the kids died in their sleep or didn't know what was going on sometimes. This girl had called the police a few weeks earlier cos of a row. She knew exactly what was going on :( It just doesn't even bear thinking about.

    Yes, it would be a horrible shock. These things are even when you don't know the victims. Some things that people do to each other, well they just hit a nerve, particularly when there is children involved I think.
    I find that the hardest thing to deal with really when these kinds of things come up, that at some point, the children would know things that children simply should not know.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yes, it would be a horrible shock. These things are even when you don't know the victims. Some things that people do to each other, well they just hit a nerve, particularly when there is children involved I think.
    I find that the hardest thing to deal with really when these kinds of things come up, that at some point, the children would know things that children simply should not know.
    Of course they shouldn't :( to live and die in such a way is unbearable. I just feel so bad for her family. I knew her sister very well and can't imagine what she's going through! There have been a few of these kinds of things in Ireland over the past few years and it does seem to be relatively new.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Of course they shouldn't :( to live and die in such a way is unbearable. I just feel so bad for her family. I knew her sister very well and can't imagine what she's going through! There have been a few of these kinds of things in Ireland over the past few years and it does seem to be relatively new.

    It seems to be an increasing phenomenon here in Australia too. I really don't know why. It makes no sense to me at all, particularly in developed countries. The reports that have been coming out, particularly about the poor children killed by their grandfather, well it makes me physical ill really, that anyone could do that to another human being, let alone a supposed loved one. I cannot even imagine, given how truly sickened I am by it, what it must be like to have it happen to someone you actually know.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Of course they shouldn't :( to live and die in such a way is unbearable. I just feel so bad for her family. I knew her sister very well and can't imagine what she's going through! There have been a few of these kinds of things in Ireland over the past few years and it does seem to be relatively new.

    It seems to be an increasing phenomenon here in Australia too. I really don't know why. It makes no sense to me at all, particularly in developed countries. The reports that have been coming out, particularly about the poor children killed by their grandfather, well it makes me physical ill really, that anyone could do that to another human being, let alone a supposed loved one. I cannot even imagine, given how truly sickened I am by it, what it must be like to have it happen to someone you actually know.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    aaah the 9.30pm double post again. :rolleyes:
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    An update on the original story. The children's mother, Karen Bell was on 60 minutes tonight.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23978017-12377,00.html
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    kcherub wrote:
    In 2001, my sister (step) and nephew were shot and killed by her husband. He also shot himself and died. They were separated at the time, and had just gone home to collect some personal items and my nephew's asthma medication. She had requested a police escort, but they didn't provide them. Whatever. A friend and his son were also with them--the friend leapt out of a plate glass window and the son was waiting in the car. Some saving grace that they survived.

    They found that he had transferred all of his savings to his daughter (not my sister's) and changed his life insurance beneficiary in the months prior. He had also disconnected the garage door opener so that it wouldn't open. My nephew was killed in the garage, after (apparently) trying to get out of the house that way. He also had compiled a book of rants (entitled "The Book of Evil") and raves he left lying on the bed. So, he didn't just "explode".

    He was just a nut case--creepy to begin with. I was in shock when it happened, but he was one of those people...it was clearer after it happened. Hindsight and all that. Total control freak--had a bronze plaque on the front door that said, "please take off your shoes" and wouldn't out of his sight for fear that they might touch something. Sheesh.

    They were both successful, and ran a recruiting business. My nephew was a sweet kid--smart and respectful. Anyhoo, that is the million $ question--WHY? In his case, he had serious issues--I have (ashamed to say) wondered why he didn't just off himself? There seemed to be a rash of these types of murder-suicides (in Garland, Texas and the surrounding areas) during that summer. Just sad.

    Sorry...this has gotten to be rambling. I have never written this down before, so I am not really sure what to say. I just wanted to say something. You never get over something like that.

    Take care,

    :( That was awful.

    Sorry.
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  • kcherubkcherub Posts: 961
    :( That was awful.

    Sorry.

    It actually felt good to get it out there. :)

    Take care,
    I still want you all to "take care"--I am just damn tired of typing it.

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