John Howard sends police and troops to indigenous communities

Jeanie

Is it just me being cynical? But funny how the compulsory aquisition of these indegenous communities gives the government total power over some of the richest uranium resources in this country.

Good thing there's no uranium sitting under me in downtown Gotham.

Oh that's right, I'm white, so they won't "steal" my kids!! :rolleyes:



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/26/1962103.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/26/1961864.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/25/1961711.htm

So funny to see this pathetic little roach pretending to give a shit about these poor bloody kids when he still hasn't bothered to rectify the "children overboard" scandal and STILL can't say "SORRY" for the Stolen Generation.

Johnny you make me sick to my stomach.

Bu2

the news the other day, about how he wants to take away alcohol from all the Aboriginal tribes, and monitor their videos, and their internet usage, because he feels that the Aboriginal men get drunk and rape all their daughters after watching video and internet porn?

He's the one who likes Bush, eh?

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

the news the other day, about how he wants to take away alcohol from all the Aboriginal tribes, and monitor their videos, and their internet usage, because he feels that the Aboriginal men get drunk and rape all their daughters after watching video and internet porn?

He's the one who likes Bush, eh?

That's him. :mad:

The one who has systematically abused and ignored the situation for the indigenous population since he was first elected. And now, in the lead up to the election has decided that this is the way to go.

There is no doubt that there is huge, huge problems facing aboriginal children, sexual abuse is rife as is alcoholism, violence, the worst health problems in the Western world and a plethora of other issues facing the poor bastards.

But seems Johnny has got his head out of George's ass just long enough to create an uprecedented racist attack on people that really don't need it.

And as this unfolds, I can truly say that, this man makes me ashamed to be an Australian. YET AGAIN.

ClimberInOz

The libs are likening this crisis to a hurricane. It might be a correct analogy if they were refering to a hurricane with 20 - 30 years warning. 10 years they have been doing absolutely the bare minimum on the crisis of alcohol, substance and child abuse in aboriginal communities. And now they finally decide to throw some money at the problem a few months before the election... Jeanie, I think your cynicism is justified on many different levels.

Jeanie

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21964663-29277,00.html




http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/community-considers-tourist-uluru-ban/2007/06/26/1182623857900.html

Jeanie

ClimberInOz wrote:

The libs are likening this crisis to a hurricane. It might be a correct analogy if they were refering to a hurricane with 20 - 30 years warning. 10 years they have been doing absolutely the bare minimum on the crisis of alcohol, substance and child abuse in aboriginal communities. And now they finally decide to throw some money at the problem a few months before the election... Jeanie, I think your cynicism is justified on many different levels.

Thank you climber. I realize I'm probably overly emotional about it, but I just keep thinking, how on earth can anybody see this other than the transparent peddling for racist votes that it is? Not to mention a land grab?

If they really gave a shit, then they've had YEARS to do something about this and compulsory aquisition of land just smells like a dead dingo to me.

I feel so distressed for these poor bastards in the NT. They're already living shitty little lives and now this.

If that man really cared, then I can think of sooo many things that would have been a more appropriate response to the crisis.

I'm SORRY. I'm so SORRY that this man and his cronies are pathetically using this heinous situation for their own political grandstanding.

Bu2

Jeanie wrote:

I'm SORRY. I'm so SORRY that this man and his cronies are pathetically using this heinous situation for their own political grandstanding.

....welcome to Bush and Cheney's post 9-11 America.

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

....welcome to Bush and Cheney's post 9-11 America.

Oh we've been here with you quite a while bu.

There's no end to what this man will do as this week demonstrates.

But we've been living in Bush and Cheney and Johnny's post 9-11 America for as long as you guys have.

It's not Australia anymore, we've become annexed to the US. The newest state. It's been unfolding for some time.

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

Is it just me being cynical? But funny how the compulsory aquisition of these indegenous communities gives the government total power over some of the richest uranium resources in this country.

Good thing there's no uranium sitting under me in downtown Gotham.

Oh that's right, I'm white, so they won't "steal" my kids!! :rolleyes:

because the northern territory is just that- a territory, it has no states' rights. the federal government can control everything about it. EVERYTHING.
is this crisis not happening in remote indigenous settlements in other states? or is this crisis just confined to the NT?

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

because the northern territory is just that- a territory, it has no states' rights. the federal government can control everything about it. EVERYTHING.
is this crisis not happening in remote indigenous settlements in other states? or is this crisis just confined to the NT?

Think the NT is the one with the most untapped mining resources. :rolleyes:

Jeanie

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21969294-5008620,00.html

lucylespian

I've never read so much irrelevant vomit in my whole life. These kids are in the situation they are in because the indigineous communities demand self-regulation and any government interference is racist.
I'm thinking the "stolen generation" should be re-named the "protected generation".
The endemic sexual abuse and alcohol related violence is there for all to see. To imply that an attempt to fix it is a planned land grab is political point scoring at it's most pathetic.

For fuck's sake, grow up, get a brain !!

catefrances

lucylespian wrote:

I've never read so much irrelevant vomit in my whole life. These kids are in the situation they are in because the indigineous communities demand self-regulation and any government interference is racist.
I'm thinking the "stolen generation" should be re-named the "protected generation".
The endemic sexual abuse and alcohol related violence is there for all to see. To imply that an attempt to fix it is a planned land grab is political point scoring at it's most pathetic.

For fuck's sake, grow up, get a brain !!

oh okay dad!

though i don't believe this is a land grab on the part of the howard government i am cynical of the timing.

perpectual sound

yes alcohol is a big problem. yes women/child abuse is a problem. yes something needs to be done. but its sending the cops/army in there really going to do anything? but isnt it funny how its happening 5 months before the election.

John Howard was first elected into parliment in 1996.... and was Treasurer for 8 years under Fraser? why the fuck has he waited so long before offering any sort of "help" to the indigenous communities?
maybe its because he's realised that the australian people lost faith in him and was little hope of him winning the next election. and just like the "childeren overboard" scandal, he needed to pull another stunt to shift the public views from the large trail of shit hes left behind.

there is alot of indigenous australia living in third world conditions... surely instead of sending in the cops and the military or giving monetary hand-outs, the money would be better put towards a propper health and education systems. there is also alot of abuse occuring because WHITE sexual predators are being opportunistic...
my mum was teaching in a community in remote WA. in her school there were 100 kids. of those 100 kids, 20 of them came forward and reported sexual abuse from a well know white guy in the community (thats just the ones that came forward.... god knows how many others there were that didnt speak up). that guy was convicted by the WHITE court system, and given 18 months behind bars. 18 fucking months for molesting AT LEAST 20% of the schools childeren! where is the equallity and protection there?


lucy, telling people to grow up get a brain is not going to make your arguments any stronger. settle down. its a discussion and everyone is going to have different views on this topic.

peace
megan

Anon

John Howard has been in power for years yet has neglected the problem until now. Everyone knows there are huge social issues up there. Lets hope this political strategy actually helps people rather than just politicians win an election.

His approach will only add to the suffering of children. The Prime Minister is right to describe the widespread abuse of Aboriginal children as a national emergency but he is wrong in the way his government is seeking to overcome it. There is no other group in society that would be subject to these kinds of measures! And why after all these years, has he decided that it's time to act?

Prohibition hasn’t worked anywhere else in the world. Why does the Prime Minister think it will work in the Northern Territory? …

Byrnzie

Racism in Australia is, in my experience, endemic. I've met some - not all - Aussies who are unbelievably racist towards the Aboriginals.

Blyss

I'm glad i'm not the only one who is really angry about this, i cannot see how this approach is going to work in those types of communities. I cannot imagine them responding well to (mostly) white policemen/women going in their and having authority. I don't disagree that something needs to be done Aboriginals are overrepresents in crime and sexual abuse but it's about many factors like the isolation, problem of service delivery in rural areas, and really progressing with the community working with them to be educated and leaders, i cannot see this approach working in the long term.

Anon

Byrnzie wrote:

Racism in Australia is, in my experience, endemic. I've met some - not all - Aussies who are unbelievably racist towards the Aboriginals.

How many Aussies that you have met does this 'some' equate to? There are over 22 million people living in Australia. To come and sprout out a comment that racism in Australia is Endemic (in your experience) is a pretty big call. What exactly do you base this on?

I mean there's a few replies already to this thread. Mostly aussies i would assume. See any racists comments yet? I don't.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

Racism in Australia is, in my experience, endemic. I've met some - not all - Aussies who are unbelievably racist towards the Aboriginals.

i too have met australians who are racist. some in my own family. however to say that racism in australia is endemic is what we aussies call perhaps full of shit. are there racists in australia? sure there are. is it prevalent? as i have not met anywhere near all the 20 odd million people in my country, i'm not gonna sit here and defend my country as being totally racially tolerant. but just the same, i can not come to the same conclusion as you steve.

Byrnzie

Pj_Gurl wrote:

How many Aussies that you have met does this 'some' equate to? There are over 22 million people living in Australia. To come and sprout out a comment that racism in Australia is Endemic (in your experience) is a pretty big call. What exactly do you base this on?

I base it on about 90% of Australians that I've met, and listened to. I said not all though. But more so than not, when Aboriginals have been mentioned I've invariably heard outright racist comments about them.

Jeanie

Byrnzie wrote:

I base it on about 90% of Australians that I've met, and listened to. I said not all though. But more so than not, when Aboriginals have been mentioned I've invariably heard outright racist comments about them.

How many people does that actually equate to Byrnzie?
And where did you meet them?