Aussies This Is Important

JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
Don't lose your right to vote! ~ Anna Burke MP Federal Member for Chisholm

The next Federal Election will be held this year, but as a result of the Howard Government's new undemocratic electoral laws, you could be denied your right to vote.

The electoral roll will close on the day the election is called,which means that if you're not already on the roll when the election is called, you won't get to vote. Previously, first time voters had seven days to enrol after the election was called.

In addition, if you're already on the roll but need to change your details, you will now have only three days to do so after the election is called.

These changes mean that more than 400,000 people may miss out on voting in the federal election this year. Don't be one of them - make sure you're eligible to vote well before the election is called and make your vote count.

If you're aged 17 years, you can provisionally enrol to vote. Your name will then be placed on the electoral roll so you will be able to vote as soon as you turn 18.

If you're enrolling or updating enrolment details, you will need to comply with severe new proof of identity requirements.

You will now have to provide your driver's licence details or have 'prescribed' documents witnessed by an 'authorised' person. If you don't have proof of identity, you will need to have two enrolled people, whom you have known for at least a month, confirm your identity.

If you're not on the roll, or are not enrolled to vote at your current address, contact me for an enrolment form on 9898 0675

You can also check your current enrolment details at the Australian Electoral Commission website at: http://www.aec.gov.au or call 13 23 26.


http://www.annaburke.com/newsletters/pdf/Monash%20Aug%2007.pdf


So make sure your enrolment is up to date folks or your one chance to really have a say could be taken from you.
Anyway, once you're all enrolled ;), just wondering what people's thoughts are on these new enrolment rules.
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    I'm not fazed, but I'll make sure I get to vote to keep bloody Rudd and Labor out !!
    Like we need another fricking recession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I'm not fazed, but I'll make sure I get to vote to keep bloody Rudd and Labor out !!
    Like we need another fricking recession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well it doesn't really affect me either lucy. And I'm not particularly a fan of Kevin 07 either but I think it's interesting that Johnny and co felt it necessary to make these changes to the Electoral laws.

    It does have ramifications for people that aren't able to to enrol for whatever reason or that get caught out.
    What possible benefits could there be for making these changes?
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Actually, I'm inclined to think this will make people pull their finger out. I think that the main reason people don't vote is apathy, not the state of the electoral laws.
    If anything, I would say there will be a very short space between the election being called, and voting day, and these chanes are probably there to make it easier to get teh necessary paperwork done in a short time.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Actually, I'm inclined to think this will make people pull their finger out. I think that the main reason people don't vote is apathy, not the state of the electoral laws.
    If anything, I would say there will be a very short space between the election being called, and voting day, and these chanes are probably there to make it easier to get teh necessary paperwork done in a short time.

    Well yeah making the paperwork easier if there is a short time between the announcement and the election is a sensible thing for the Electoral Commission. But what about if you would normally vote and you've moved and you're unable to update your information because you're sick or caring for a sick loved one or are recently bereaved or a whole bunch of other reasons that could in effect null and void your opportunity to vote? Bearing in mind that some of these new laws would affect people that are already enrolled therefore are already voters and so by virtue of them being enrolled would indicate that they're not apathetic?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    well i dont see the problem. either you give a damn and are enrolled and have your details up to date. or you couldn't give a shit and need not be bothered being engaged at all in our lovely COMPULSORY 'democratic' process.
    people have had ample opportunity and reminding on this issue.

    so australia get off your fucking arse and get up to date. :)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    well i dont see the problem. either you give a damn and are enrolled and have your details up to date. or you couldn't give a shit and need not be bothered being engaged at all in our lovely COMPULSORY 'democratic' process.
    people have had ample opportunity and reminding on this issue.

    so australia get off your fucking arse and get up to date. :)

    So 3 days to change an address or update is ok?

    I guess I wouldn't have a problem with it if there was a bit more advertising going on the remind folk to enrol or update now. But I've not seen a lot.
    At least before if they called it people would know when they had to be up to date or enrolled by and they had a bit of time to get themselves sorted. I mean there's a lot of things to remember and fluff about with in a life, voting registration is an easy thing to forget in the detritis of everyday life.

    I guess if we have to have a COMPULSORY "democratic" process then this new arrangement seems even less democratic to me. If it's compulsory then EVERY single person of voting age needs to be registered and voting. Don't see how this new arrangement would encourage that.
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    I doubt there would be 400 000 people with a valid reason, maybe 400 000 people not enrolled, liek yours truly probably.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanie wrote:
    So 3 days to change an address or update is ok?

    I guess I wouldn't have a problem with it if there was a bit more advertising going on the remind folk to enrol or update now. But I've not seen a lot.
    At least before if they called it people would know when they had to be up to date or enrolled by and they had a bit of time to get themselves sorted. I mean there's a lot of things to remember and fluff about with in a life, voting registration is an easy thing to forget in the detritis of everyday life.

    I guess if we have to have a COMPULSORY "democratic" process then this new arrangement seems even less democratic to me. If it's compulsory then EVERY single person of voting age needs to be registered and voting. Don't see how this new arrangement would encourage that.

    yeah jeanie 3 days is enough. but personally, i'd give people a week at least. but that's just me not the conservative nazis that are in power now. :D;) people know they're moving. they know where they're moving to. i bet they change their video store details, so what's the problem. going into the post office to change your mailing address also gives you opportunity and access to change your voting rego.
    and even if you don't change shit just vote in your old electorate. unless you're in a marginal seat it won't make a swat of difference anyway. :D
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I doubt there would be 400 000 people with a valid reason, maybe 400 000 people not enrolled, liek yours truly probably.

    Yeah, I wondered how they arrived at that number myself. :)
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  • yeah jeanie 3 days is enough. but personally, i'd give people a week at least. but that's just me not the conservative nazis that are in power now. :D;) people know they're moving. they know where they're moving to. i bet they change their video store details, so what's the problem. going into the post office to change your mailing address also gives you opportunity and access to change your voting rego.
    and even if you don't change shit just vote in your old electorate. unless you're in a marginal seat it won't make a swat of difference anyway. :D
    I moved house 3 months ago and the Electoral Commission found and forwarded the forms to me. Dont know how they found me, maybe the Centrelink goons helped out.
    When you vote, do they cross your name and address off ? If they do you cant really vote in your old electorate because someone else is now registered under that address. Bring the election on, i say.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    thewaiting wrote:
    I moved house 3 months ago and the Electoral Commission found and forwarded the forms to me. Dont know how they found me, maybe the Centrelink goons helped out.
    When you vote, do they cross your name and address off ? If they do you cant really vote in your old electorate because someone else is now registered under that address. Bring the election on, i say.

    Jeez! Sounds like ASIO's watching you! :eek:

    But yeah, maybe Centrelink did help but it doesn't sound likely. They're not usually very helpful.

    You can still vote at your old electorate. It's your name and address together that they cross off and they find you on the roll alphabetically under your surname, they wouldn't know who else was registered at that address if they didn't share your surname. :) Well not until they were looking for them anyway. Last time I voted at my old electorate that's all that happened I think.
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Jeez! Sounds like ASIO's watching you! :eek:

    But yeah, maybe Centrelink did help but it doesn't sound likely. They're not usually very helpful.

    You can still vote at your old electorate. It's your name and address together that they cross off and they find you on the roll alphabetically under your surname, they wouldn't know who else was registered at that address if they didn't share your surname. :) Well not until they were looking for them anyway. Last time I voted at my old electorate that's all that happened I think.
    Looking at the stern advice they sent (still wondering how they found me!) it says when new occupants register at my old address im crossed off. Until i update details im a nobody. Ah i dunno , but some are those woman at the polling booths are quite serious and i dont wanna get told off like alil girl.
    I hope you dont think your talking to a brick wall here. Just a few brain cells missing from the good old days. Plus me thinks if you dont ask , you wont know.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    thewaiting wrote:
    Looking at the stern advice they sent (still wondering how they found me!) it says when new occupants register at my old address im crossed off. Until i update details im a nobody. Ah i dunno , but some are those woman at the polling booths are quite serious and i dont wanna get told off like alil girl.
    I hope you dont think your talking to a brick wall here. Just a few brain cells missing from the good old days. Plus me thinks if you dont ask , you wont know.

    Wow! That's news to me! But then it's been a long time since I had to update my details I've been at my current address so long so maybe they have changed the rules or maybe they're just different in WA? That's where you are right? Can you make an absentee vote and got to a polling centre and vote before the day? Or maybe just update the address? Did you mention that you couldn't? Sorry! I've got a mind like a sieve! :o

    But yeah, it's VERY strange that they found you!
    And no I don't think I'm talking to a brick wall! :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Wow! That's news to me! But then it's been a long time since I had to update my details I've been at my current address so long so maybe they have changed the rules or maybe they're just different in WA? That's where you are right? Can you make an absentee vote and got to a polling centre and vote before the day? Or maybe just update the address? Did you mention that you couldn't? Sorry! I've got a mind like a sieve! :o

    But yeah, it's VERY strange that they found you!
    And no I don't think I'm talking to a brick wall! :)
    When someone living in your old abode registers they recieve forms to fill in. On the back is the names of who lived there before , they cross you off and whack their crap in. The E.C. then sends another 2 letters to that house looking for you after that you're not eligible to vote unless you've updated.
    If say you're in Antartica ( thats stated) or unable to get to a polling place, you just fill in a "special" form.
    Me kinda lost again.... i need a Bundy . Tehehe
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i wonder if you could get a lawyer and plead being a conscientious objector to the whole notion of representative democracy and the compulsory voting.
    quite frankly i think the only people who should have to vote are those in swinging seats. the rest of us are just wasting that saturday.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    thewaiting wrote:
    When someone living in your old abode registers they recieve forms to fill in. On the back is the names of who lived there before , they cross you off and whack their crap in. The E.C. then sends another 2 letters to that house looking for you after that you're not eligible to vote unless you've updated.
    If say you're in Antartica ( thats stated) or unable to get to a polling place, you just fill in a "special" form.
    Me kinda lost again.... i need a Bundy . Tehehe


    Serious? :eek: That sounds like a gross invasion of privacy to me! Doesn't sound right that they can tell the new inhabitants the names of the people previously living at an address. And to think that they would change a persons electoral information or attempt to contact someone based on the say so from some one other than the individual it applies to is pretty rank. It's not like you can even get the bloody phone cut off when someone dies if you're not the dead person or a registered executee. You can't change the address on an account with the gas or electricity unless you're the account holder. And you've got to prove that. When my dodgy ex left here I rang VIC ROADS to tell them that he no longer lived here and they said they wouldn't update his address to the one that I had for him and they wouldn't contact him at the new address either. SO I had to tell them very sternly that if they weren't going to update his details they most definitely had an obligation to me to remove my address from his records. And indicate that he no longer resided at my address. Told em if they didn't I'd get a stat dec and a lawyer.
    Didn't want the cops breaking down the door in the middle of the night looking for him here! :eek:
    Phew! After that I need a BUNDY too! Cheers big ears! ;):D

    oh! and you'd better get onto the AEC and update your address before they come cart you off or something! :o
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Serious? :eek: That sounds like a gross invasion of privacy to me! Doesn't sound right that they can tell the new inhabitants the names of the people previously living at an address. And to think that they would change a persons electoral information or attempt to contact someone based on the say so from some one other than the individual it applies to is pretty rank. It's not like you can even get the bloody phone cut off when someone dies if you're not the dead person or a registered executee. You can't change the address on an account with the gas or electricity unless you're the account holder. And you've got to prove that. When my dodgy ex left here I rang VIC ROADS to tell them that he no longer lived here and they said they wouldn't update his address to the one that I had for him and they wouldn't contact him at the new address either. SO I had to tell them very sternly that if they weren't going to update his details they most definitely had an obligation to me to remove my address from his records. And indicate that he no longer resided at my address. Told em if they didn't I'd get a stat dec and a lawyer.
    Didn't want the cops breaking down the door in the middle of the night looking for him here! :eek:
    Phew! After that I need a BUNDY too! Cheers big ears! ;):D

    oh! and you'd better get onto the AEC and update your address before they come cart you off or something! :o
    aahh "nods head" the token dodgy boyfriend. I hear you there!
    Yeah iwill update asap. The letter said within 2 weeks but its been bout 4. Ummah Im bad. I certainly dont want mysterious cars parked outside my house, J/K .... kinda
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    thewaiting wrote:
    aahh "nods head" the token dodgy boyfriend. I hear you there!

    He's gone now. On yer bike Morry! Rode off into the sunset, thankfully! Or hell or wherever it is they go! Who cares? Just glad the bastard's gone!
    thewaiting wrote:
    Yeah iwill update asap. The letter said within 2 weeks but its been bout 4.

    eh! f**k em! :p They can wait! ;) Just don't wait too long or you won't be allowed to vote!
    thewaiting wrote:
    Ummah Im bad.

    Oh how cool to read ummah here! :D LMAO! Thank you!
    thewaiting wrote:
    I certainly dont want mysterious cars parked outside my house, J/K .... kinda

    Yeah, they've probably tapped your phone. I'm sure mine is! :eek: We're always joking about it, but it's not like they don't do it. I always make sure to make it interesting for them! ;)
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  • i like matt.ci like matt.c Posts: 1,122
    Jeanie wrote:
    Don't lose your right to vote! ~ Anna Burke MP Federal Member for Chisholm

    The next Federal Election will be held this year, but as a result of the Howard Government's new undemocratic electoral laws, you could be denied your right to vote.

    The electoral roll will close on the day the election is called,which means that if you're not already on the roll when the election is called, you won't get to vote. Previously, first time voters had seven days to enrol after the election was called.

    In addition, if you're already on the roll but need to change your details, you will now have only three days to do so after the election is called.

    These changes mean that more than 400,000 people may miss out on voting in the federal election this year. Don't be one of them - make sure you're eligible to vote well before the election is called and make your vote count.

    If you're aged 17 years, you can provisionally enrol to vote. Your name will then be placed on the electoral roll so you will be able to vote as soon as you turn 18.

    If you're enrolling or updating enrolment details, you will need to comply with severe new proof of identity requirements.

    You will now have to provide your driver's licence details or have 'prescribed' documents witnessed by an 'authorised' person. If you don't have proof of identity, you will need to have two enrolled people, whom you have known for at least a month, confirm your identity.

    If you're not on the roll, or are not enrolled to vote at your current address, contact me for an enrolment form on 9898 0675

    You can also check your current enrolment details at the Australian Electoral Commission website at: http://www.aec.gov.au or call 13 23 26.


    http://www.annaburke.com/newsletters/pdf/Monash%20Aug%2007.pdf


    So make sure your enrolment is up to date folks or your one chance to really have a say could be taken from you.
    Anyway, once you're all enrolled ;), just wondering what people's thoughts are on these new enrolment rules.
    I'm 17 and I enroled The other week. I can't wait to finally have my say. I know I'm only one person but I'm optimistic.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I'm 17 and I enroled The other week. I can't wait to finally have my say. I know I'm only one person but I'm optimistic.

    way to go matt.c! :) Every little vote counts! :)
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  • why do we let the government and opposition let us believe that Australian politics is a 2 party race and the rest of the parties are nut jobs like the 4WD party, Shooters party etc?

    When did the democrats stop trying?
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Over the weekend on the tele I noticed an increase in the number of ads saying that the election was going to be called soon and to update your address if you haven't already done so.

    SO! I'm just reminding you Aussies, if your address isn't updated on the electoral roll, DO IT TODAY!!!!

    We need everyone's vote! :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanie wrote:
    Over the weekend on the tele I noticed an increase in the number of ads saying that the election was going to be called soon and to update your address if you haven't already done so.

    SO! I'm just reminding you Aussies, if your address isn't updated on the electoral roll, DO IT TODAY!!!!

    We need everyone's vote! :)


    as ive said before, just waiting for the APEC circus to leave town. :)
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  • AusticmanAusticman Posts: 1,327
    Jeanie wrote:
    Over the weekend on the tele I noticed an increase in the number of ads saying that the election was going to be called soon and to update your address if you haven't already done so.

    SO! I'm just reminding you Aussies, if your address isn't updated on the electoral roll, DO IT TODAY!!!!

    We need everyone's vote! :)

    Did you notice they wern't government made ad's. Their spending their money money on IR ad's.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Austicman wrote:
    Did you notice they wern't government made ad's. Their spending their money money on IR ad's.

    they're spending taxpayers' money on adverts that are telling the taxpayer how good they have it in the workforce. but you already knew you've never had it so good, right ;):)
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  • HinnyHinny Posts: 1,610
    Guys and girls- I implore you to all move here to Bennelong and join in the honourable and fulfilling act of putting Howard last on the ballot paper. It's great fun!
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    why do we let the government and opposition let us believe that Australian politics is a 2 party race and the rest of the parties are nut jobs like the 4WD party, Shooters party etc?

    Well I love how the Liberals rarely acknowledge that they're a coalition government and that a lot of the people that put them in government are actually voting for The Nationals. Remember them? ;)
    I think the majors would love you to believe that the smaller parties don't exist, you know right up until the time they have to start worrying about preferences. :D
    When did the democrats stop trying?

    I think it was around the time that Cheryl Kernot got all cockstruck and defected to the Labour Party.
    I mean Natasha tried but it's not like the party was behind her. A real shame as far as I can see. She seems a good person to me.
    I'd love to see more Independents stand and actually maintain their independent stance once they're elected! :)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    as ive said before, just waiting for the APEC circus to leave town. :)

    cate! I've been watching it on the tele! I don't know how you can stand it! It looks just horrific! I've never seen such a load of bullshit and I really don't see why the taxpayer has to fund it. If they're worried about George's safety, and all the other leaders then they can bloody well fork out for their own security. I don't see why we should. I didn't invite them! :D
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Austicman wrote:
    Did you notice they wern't government made ad's. Their spending their money money on IR ad's.

    I didn't notice that! Funded by the Electoral Commission then?

    The government needs to spend money on their IR ads! :D

    I did see this fabulous bit of graffiti the other day on a bus stop!

    That ad with the post it note that says, "Know where you stand"?

    Some wag had put a line through stand and written in big black letters underneath, KNEEL! :D

    Almost made me want to hunt out every other one of those signs and do the same! Almost! ;)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Hinny wrote:
    Guys and girls- I implore you to all move here to Bennelong and join in the honourable and fulfilling act of putting Howard last on the ballot paper. It's great fun!

    Gosh Hinny you have NO IDEA how much I'd LOVE to do that! :D

    It's a damn shame you can't photocopy your completed ballot paper for posterity! ;) Plus I'd love to see it! :D
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