The problem is that AA doesn't do that, really (even by your own admission). I don't claim "we're all even now", but the problems that need to be addressed are issues you've covered which occur before AA should even be a factor. Spend more time working on inner-city education and training. Don't excuse the lack of education and/or training, and simply accept someone to an institution where you've just set them up for failure.
I was going to weigh in on this issue, but it seems like jeffbr beat me to just about every point in this thread I was going to make.
I understand your point and wasn't taking offense to it. One of the ideas our nation was founded upon or atleast in some sense based is the notion that the majority has to look out for the welfare of the minority. Whether economically, politically or socially... that's all this is, and in that respect it will never end. People like to use these catch phrases or have ridiculous ideas like some in the lower end of the spectrum (economically, culturally or socially) are sitting around living the high-life on the sweat of the majority and it's nothing more than a pipe dream (or class warfare). If anything, the rich of our society have helped push forth or inherited a situation in which they feed on the weak for their own benefit. So as we see this in society in action, the middle ground is shrinking, the lower are growing and upper is pulling further away - in practice, a pyramid. So as a whole, we will never see the end of such things because there will never be an end to inequality as a result of racism, injustice and intolerance in which a specific group or class is left behind for the best interest of some other group (many of which are directs results of our systematic setup in society).
I know that and I'm not attempting to imply that the problem of racism is solved by any means or stretch of the imagination. The truth is, and I think you'd agree, racism... will always remain a problem. ALWAYS..... ON BOTH SIDES.
My point is in regards to Affirmative Action. I think, it's fair to label this as reverse racism. Don't take offense to the terminology I used... not meant to be offensive. My point in calling it reverse racism is simply that racism is existing still.... but on the opposite side of the coin from the minority. But, with Affirmative Action we are still judging others by skin color.
The question I posed had to do with whether an achievement like this would settle some fears within the African American community. Basically, they have seen an African American, who was not wealthy, move up the ladder.... all the way to the top.
A number of people in this thread claimed Obama did not receive assistance from Affirmative Action. I honestly don't know whether he did or did not. But, for arguments sake, let's say he did not receive assistance. Then his accomplishment shows that an African American can do all of what he did without any assistance from the goverment. So, if that "is true", could you see the issue of Affrimative Action... at the very least.... being slightly LESS necessary? And if it's less necessary than it was in the past.... when will it be NOT be necessary at all?
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
One can only hope that we stop basing decisions on the color of someone's skin and instead base it on the content of their character.
Many here think I did not vote for Obama because he is black...WRONG.
Color has NOTHING to do with it for me.
BUT, I do have a problem with all of the new minority voters who voted for the first time JUST BEACUSE Obama is black.
Someone please tell me that I am wrong?
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Many here think I did not vote for Obama because he is black...WRONG.
Color has NOTHING to do with it for me.
BUT, I do have a problem with all of the new minority voters who voted for the first time JUST BEACUSE Obama is black.
Someone please tell me that I am wrong?
You have a problem with the African-American community finally, for the first time ever, feeling connected with one of the candidates? Too bad, really.
And, black people, along with droves and droves of many other American races are coming out to vote for him. I do believe that he is the right man for the job who happens to be black. Unlike the republican VP who was solely chosen for her gender.
Many here think I did not vote for Obama because he is black...WRONG.
Color has NOTHING to do with it for me.
BUT, I do have a problem with all of the new minority voters who voted for the first time JUST BEACUSE Obama is black.
Someone please tell me that I am wrong?
Color has everything to do with it for you. You are so transparent.
You know, madness is a lot like gravity… sometimes all you need is a little push...
Color has everything to do with it for you. You are so transparent.
You know, madness is a lot like gravity… sometimes all you need is a little push...
hahahahahhahahahahaha please woman.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Many here think I did not vote for Obama because he is black...WRONG.
Color has NOTHING to do with it for me.
BUT, I do have a problem with all of the new minority voters who voted for the first time JUST BEACUSE Obama is black.
Someone please tell me that I am wrong?
Perhaps the minority voters have developed a sense of hope and empowerment.
The problem is that AA doesn't do that, really (even by your own admission). I don't claim "we're all even now", but the problems that need to be addressed are issues you've covered which occur before AA should even be a factor. Spend more time working on inner-city education and training. Don't excuse the lack of education and/or training, and simply accept someone to an institution where you've just set them up for failure.
so let me get this straight, you just want to overlook entire generations of individuals with the intellectual ability but lack of educational training b/c of white upper-class oppression? of course our broken skool systems and poor funding for poor children are problems that ultimately need to be fixed, BUT what do you do for the people who had to come through that? Essentially, it is you going "sorry guys...you got fucked, and you will stay fucked because white people need to live".
so let me get this straight, you just want to overlook entire generations of individuals with the intellectual ability but lack of educational training b/c of white upper-class oppression? of course our broken skool systems and poor funding for poor children are problems that ultimately need to be fixed, BUT what do you do for the people who had to come through that? Essentially, it is you going "sorry guys...you got fucked, and you will stay fucked because white people need to live".
You want to perpetuate an immoral, bankrupt system, I want to move on. Either way people are getting screwed. At least with my plan there's an end.
You act as if your plan has no victims.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
You want to perpetuate an immoral, bankrupt system, I want to move on. Either way people are getting screwed. At least with my plan there's an end.
You act as if your plan has no victims.
what end? it's not like you can make people stop being racist just b/c you say "stop being racist". i guess i don't get your logic. i never said there weren't "victims" in AA, but, please like white people didn't have it easy getting to where they get. that's something white people don't like to hear is that, even though they did work hard, they kinda had it easy compared to other types of identity.
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I was going to weigh in on this issue, but it seems like jeffbr beat me to just about every point in this thread I was going to make.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Color has NOTHING to do with it for me.
BUT, I do have a problem with all of the new minority voters who voted for the first time JUST BEACUSE Obama is black.
Someone please tell me that I am wrong?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
And, black people, along with droves and droves of many other American races are coming out to vote for him. I do believe that he is the right man for the job who happens to be black. Unlike the republican VP who was solely chosen for her gender.
You know, madness is a lot like gravity… sometimes all you need is a little push...
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Perhaps the minority voters have developed a sense of hope and empowerment.
You want to perpetuate an immoral, bankrupt system, I want to move on. Either way people are getting screwed. At least with my plan there's an end.
You act as if your plan has no victims.