Get Ready For an OBJECTIVE Debate... LOL

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    This has pretty much been the McCain campaign's modus operandi. Focus on non-issues in order to divert attention. They are starting to get a bit desperate. The gamble they took by selecting Palin stirred up some buzz but it has not lasted and she isn't really panning out that well. The gamble they took with the campaign cancelation has all but flopped. The whole lipstick on a pig fiasco didn't last and didn't hurt Obama either. It just seems that they are grasping at straws and anyone who is paying attention will see this as a desperate attempt to undermine the results of the VP debate.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    If Gwen wants to throw the McCain camp for a loop (assuming she is, of course, in the tank for Obama), she should offer to the McCain camp to step down if they ask her to. That way, if they say yes then whoever they put in will be viewed as extremely impartial and Palin will have to defend herself on her own merits. If they tell her not to step aside, then the McCain camp would have made something a non-story that they (presumably) made a story.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    it doesn't really matter who the heck the moderator is - it could be donald duck and sarah palin could not answer a single question on the debate and yet there will always be 45+% of the population that will vote for that ticket guaranteed (and vice-versa) ...

    it'll come down to the last week or so in the swing states and that's how the presidency will be decided ... most likely due to some smear campaign ad ...
  • YieldInHiding
    YieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    Let's see what John McCain himself has to say about this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZGtblX5OlY
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    saveuplife wrote:


    This is a joke. It's hard to believe she's going to be a "good" debate moderator.

    Why because she's *gulp* Black?
    Her book isn't about Obama, and its been in the works for quite some time. i guess since Palin is a white woman, the only way to have a truly objective debate is to have it moderated by a mexican hermaphrodite.
    sheesh.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Its Bush's Fault
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    cornnifer wrote:
    Why because she's *gulp* Black?
    Her book isn't about Obama, and its been in the works for quite some time. i guess since Palin is a white woman, the only way to have a truly objective debate is to have it moderated by a mexican hermaphrodite.
    sheesh.

    wow..i really hope that not all Obama supporters think like you because then that explains alot about him and his supporters

    it has nothing to do with the fact she is black...have you read the book yourself? the whole book isnt about Obama but he is a good portion of it amongst 3 other mayors/senators who she references who are paving the way for african americans in politics

    its funny no one other than Obama and his supporters have used the race issue

    the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    pjalive21 wrote:
    wow..i really hope that not all Obama supporters think like you because then that explains alot about him and his supporters

    it has nothing to do with the fact she is black...have you read the book yourself? the whole book isnt about Obama but he is a good portion of it amongst 3 other mayors/senators who she references who are paving the way for african americans in politics

    its funny no one other than Obama and his supporters have used the race issue

    the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more


    Come on. Obama and his supporters are the only ones that bring up his race? Bullshit. Has obama brought up his race at all? Has he said anything along the lines of "If I lose, it's because everyone is racist", or has people who support him say that? By the way, people who support Mccain, and refer to Obama as a "nigger" bring up race. Everyone who doesn't really like mccain but will never vote for a "nigger" are bringing up the race issue. Anyone that refuses to vote for Obama or will solely vote for Obama because of his skin color are bringing up race. And they fall on both sides of the god damn line.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    pjalive21 wrote:
    wow..i really hope that not all Obama supporters think like you because then that explains alot about him and his supporters

    it has nothing to do with the fact she is black...have you read the book yourself? the whole book isnt about Obama but he is a good portion of it amongst 3 other mayors/senators who she references who are paving the way for african americans in politics

    its funny no one other than Obama and his supporters have used the race issue

    the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more

    have read the book? you know, the one that is due to be released on 1/20/09....

    and the race issue is being used by both sides...

    it's funny, you're easily swayed into despising Obama based on message board posts....you can't be that simple...can you...?
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    cornnifer wrote:
    Why because she's *gulp* Black?
    Her book isn't about Obama, and its been in the works for quite some time. i guess since Palin is a white woman, the only way to have a truly objective debate is to have it moderated by a mexican hermaphrodite.
    sheesh.


    Come on man. Did I once say a word about her race? You brought it up. If anyone is using race as an issue here, it is YOU.

    I brought up her ties to Obama (via a book she's writing). I also brought up the fact that the book is going to be released on inauguration day and that there are clear financial benefits (since she's selling the book) for her if Obama (and his TICKET) win the election. This can not be debated... it just is what it is.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    If this ends up negatively impacting the McCain campaign, then he deserves it. They could get out of this. They want it as much as Obama does. Built in excuse. Even lower expectations. And, perhaps more importantly, adding to the semi-enfranchised's belief that there is some liberal conspiracy to (do whatever) afoot. In the long run, this has much more potential to help McCain than Obama. Most likely though, this VP debate will be forgotten about by November.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    pjalive21 wrote:
    the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more
    'The last few weeks i've noticed words like 'hate', 'despise', and 'disgust' so easily thrown around here when certain people are discussing their policitcal preferences.

    Pretty strong words. I support obama. But i don't hate any of the other candidates. Struggle to find common ground with most of the others but ''hate''. Wow.
  • YieldInHiding
    YieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    pjalive21 wrote:
    wow..i really hope that not all Obama supporters think like you because then that explains alot about him and his supporters

    it has nothing to do with the fact she is black...have you read the book yourself? the whole book isnt about Obama but he is a good portion of it amongst 3 other mayors/senators who she references who are paving the way for african americans in politics

    its funny no one other than Obama and his supporters have used the race issue

    the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more

    Have you read the book yourself?

    Oh yeah and the repubs used the sexism issue. Maybe you forgot?

    If you think redneck voters are more likely to vote for a black man for President as opposed to a white woman for VP running with an old white man, you're dillusional. Race is definitely an issue.
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    'The last few weeks i've noticed words like 'hate', 'despise', and 'disgust' so easily thrown around here when certain people are discussing their policitcal preferences.

    Pretty strong words. I support obama. But i don't hate any of the other candidates. Struggle to find common ground with most of the others but ''hate''. Wow.

    "Hate" is become a popular theme... as well as this phony persecution complex that right wing radio is running with about Sarah Palin... "the left hates her", "the media is out to get her"... gimme a break. Sure there are some extreme people who actually hate her for some irrational reason, but there are probably more who hate Obama.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    "Hate" is become a popular theme... as well as this phony persecution complex that right wing radio is running with about Sarah Palin... "the left hates her", "the media is out to get her"... gimme a break. Sure there are some extreme people who actually hate her for some irrational reason, but there are probably more who hate Obama.


    if more people hate Obama...doesn't that mean McCain wins?

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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    blackredyellow wrote:
    "the media is out to get her"... gimme a break.

    You don't think the media has up-played her mistakes and downplayed Bidens? Or maybe "upplyed and downplayed" aren't the right terms. "Covered in much greater detail" might be better. That's certainly a form of bias.

    Look at cnn.com for proof. They have a bunch of what they consider Palin "mis-steps" every single day. Yet, they rarely even mention the plethora of Biden gaffes, which one could certainly factually argue occur on the same frequency. It's this inconsistency that gives some support to the "media is out to get her" quote. That and the fact that 90% of the media vote Democrat.

    One form of this IMHO was during the 1st debate, when McCain said he had a bracelet and then explained a story. Obama replied like a little school boy that "he had a bracelet too" then went into his bracelete story, but needed to look down to remember the person's name. If that was Bush making the "I have a bracelet too" comment the media would have bashed him relentlessly.... and rightfully so. But, Obama gets a free pass and this part of the debate gets brushed under the rug on cnn after the debate. It was a terrible time to bring that up and made Obama look defensive IMHO, but yet it's not even mentioned.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    saveuplife wrote:
    Come on man. Did I once say a word about her race? You brought it up. If anyone is using race as an issue here, it is YOU.

    I brought up her ties to Obama (via a book she's writing). I also brought up the fact that the book is going to be released on inauguration day and that there are clear financial benefits (since she's selling the book) for her if Obama (and his TICKET) win the election. This can not be debated... it just is what it is.

    C'mon, now. From what i understand the book isn't even about Obama, per se. Its more about the current batch of Black political leadership. In this category, it just so happens that Obama carries the biggest stick, hence the title of the book. She's been working on the book for quite some time. i'm not using race as an issue. i'm just pointing out that i honestly believe that you (as well as others complaining about this woman moderating the debate) are perhaps subconsciously making race an issue. The book has little to do with it. She's Black so she MUST have an Obama bias. Please.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    saveuplife wrote:
    You don't think the media has up-played her mistakes and downplayed Bidens? Or maybe "upplyed and downplayed" aren't the right terms. "Covered in much greater detail" might be better. That's certainly a form of bias.

    Look at cnn.com for proof. They have a bunch of what they consider Palin "mis-steps" every single day. Yet, they rarely even mention the plethora of Biden gaffes, which one could certainly factually argue occur on the same frequency. It's this inconsistency that gives some support to the "media is out to get her" quote. That and the fact that 90% of the media vote Democrat.

    One form of this IMHO was during the 1st debate, when McCain said he had a bracelet and then explained a story. Obama replied like a little school boy that "he had a bracelet too" then went into his bracelete story. If that was Bush making the "I have a bracelet too" comment the media would have bashed him relentlessly.... and rightfully so. But, Obama gets a free pass and this part of the debate gets brushed under the rug on cnn after the debate. It was a terrible time to bring that up and made Obama look defensive IMHO, but yet it's not even mentioned.

    I don't think that the media is out to get her, but I agree that they do cover her more. Biden is old news, and there is nothing really new to discover about him. Palin is still for the most part an unknown... Should we just take the McCain campaign's version of her life story as fact and the media not "vet" her? And like I said in another thread, most of Biden's gaffs are off the cuff comments or anecdotal stories. Palin's gaffs are not being able to actually answer a question.

    And the bracelet thing? Gimme a break. McCain using a bracelet and a soldier's story to make his point, and Obama more less called him on it. I would expect McCain to do the exact same thing if Obama brought up his bracelet story first.
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  • jwillmo
    jwillmo Posts: 471
    saveuplife wrote:
    You don't think the media has up-played her mistakes and downplayed Bidens? Or maybe "upplyed and downplayed" aren't the right terms. "Covered in much greater detail" might be better. That's certainly a form of bias.

    Look at cnn.com for proof. They have a bunch of what they consider Palin "mis-steps" every single day. Yet, they rarely even mention the plethora of Biden gaffes, which one could certainly factually argue occur on the same frequency. It's this inconsistency that gives some support to the "media is out to get her" quote. That and the fact that 90% of the media vote Democrat.

    One form of this IMHO was during the 1st debate, when McCain said he had a bracelet and then explained a story. Obama replied like a little school boy that "he had a bracelet too" then went into his bracelete story, but needed to look down to remember the person's name. If that was Bush making the "I have a bracelet too" comment the media would have bashed him relentlessly.... and rightfully so. But, Obama gets a free pass and this part of the debate gets brushed under the rug on cnn after the debate. It was a terrible time to bring that up and made Obama look defensive IMHO, but yet it's not even mentioned.

    I thought Obama was just showing how incredibly pandering that was. And I saw plenty of coverage about how ridiculous that part of the debate was. Maybe, just maybe, Obama was wearing it in honor of the actual fucking person, and not just to show everyone "look, I got a bracelet!" to get votes. (Yeah, I know he's probably pandering too, but this idea that McCain isn't is ridiculous). I will agree it was "defensive" though. But that's what it takes these days, you have to stoop to the other guy's level.

    When McCain tries to do the whole "soldiers agree with me more" bullshit, I wish Obama would bring up the fact soldiers give about twice as much to his campaign as McCain's.
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I don't think that the media is out to get her, but I agree that they do cover her more. Biden is old news, and there is nothing really new to discover about him. Palin is still for the most part an unknown... Should we just take the McCain campaign's version of her life story as fact and the media not "vet" her? And like I said in another thread, most of Biden's gaffs are off the cuff comments or anecdotal stories. Palin's gaffs are not being able to actually answer a question.

    And the bracelet thing? Gimme a break. McCain using a bracelet and a soldier's story to make his point, and Obama more less called him on it. I would expect McCain to do the exact same thing if Obama brought up his bracelet story first.

    They should "vet" Biden (AND OBAMA) too. I don't see that happening here in reality land. Binden is running for VP and is a heartbeat away, just like Palin. Yes, he's been in Washington, but who cares? He's running for a new much much more prominent position than Senator from Delaware (one of the smallest states in the U.S.)... he should be vetted just as hard by the media. There should be no free passes. And as I've said before, Biden is much more gaffe-prone than Palin.... his gaffes are just not covered on nightly news programs. Put simply, they just don't care about him or what he says. They care about Palin.

    Obama couldn't even remember the name on the bracelet. To you, he obviously can do no wrong.

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