Tell me, saveuplife, if this was truly such a problem, why wasn't it raised when something could have been done about it?
She said today that she did not tell the debate commission about the book. Therefore, what you said is not correct. It's very very realistic that the McCain camp did not know about this until this week.
Getting back to the thread at hand.... how would you all feel if O'Reilly was moderating? Would it matter to you? I'm sensing it would.
O'Reilly isn't a journalist, but an op-ed commentator. If it was someone like Brit Hume or Chris Wallace, I'd wouldn't be totally thrilled, but I'd be ok with it until at least AFTER the debate if I saw some bias.
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Personal perceptions of someone else's objectivity can be subjective. So, one could say the same about a number of current moderators.
It's just that you prefer that side of the aisle. I understand that... and I kinda agree that O'Reilly isn't the right person for the job... but I was trying to point out that if roles were reversed the Obama-supporters would be outraged.
dude ... you could have given a plethora of conservative journalists for your example - but you chose the outrageous for a reason ... it's because you know no one would gripe if that person has shown they can do the job ...
that is what it boils down to ... the reality is that if this was flipped and the moderator has shown they can do the job in the past - i would be writing the same thing ...
She said today that she did not tell the debate commission about the book. Therefore, what you said is not correct. It's very very realistic that the McCain camp did not know about this until this week.
Forty-five seconds it took me. I don't know what to say if you're telling me a campaign of thousands of employees and volunteers didn't commit forty-five seconds of research to the VP moderator of this year. It's ludicrous to suggest they had no idea.
You're saying that they can find some bill that Obama voted on at least eight years ago and turn it into a vote on comprehensive sex education for minors, and they didn't do a Google search on the moderator of this VP debate? All they would have needed was the first page!
The facts just aren't with your position on this one, I don't believe.
Forty-five seconds it took me. I don't know what to say if you're telling me a campaign of thousands of employees and volunteers didn't commit forty-five seconds of research to the VP moderator of this year. It's ludicrous to suggest they had no idea.
You're saying that they can find some bill that Obama voted on at least eight years ago and turn it into a vote on comprehensive sex education for minors, and they didn't do a Google search on the moderator of this VP debate? All they would have needed was the first page!
The facts just aren't with your position on this one, I don't believe.
Once again, she didn't tell the debate commission.... they are her own words.
I don't think the objection to Gwen Ifill has anything to do with race. On the other hand I do believe this is a strategic move by the McCain/Palin Campaign to undermine the results of the VP debate should Palin perform poorly. You can't expect anyone to believe that the McCain campaign had no idea that Ifill was writing this book and it seems extremely odd that this would be made an issue the day before the debate. At that point it was too late to find a replacement to moderate the debate.
While I believe that Gwen Ifill would be able to perform her duties as moderator and be as objective as possible I would prefer that see stepped aside, if only to make sure that their is no issue with the outcome. Unfortunately it is too late for that now and the results, if the debate goes favorably for Biden, will be scutinized and no matter how impartial gwen will be the GOp will use her book as an excuse for Palin's performance.
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Once again, she didn't tell the debate commission.... they are her own words.
Never mind, there's no point to this. If you're not willing to answer the question, what's the point of debating it?
Answer this question: do you honestly think it's realistic to believe that, assuming Ifill has publicized this book for months (which she has), the McCain campaign knew nothing about it? I really don't see how anyone could believe such a thing.
Gee don't bother responding to the substanative part of my response.
As for "She didn't tell the debate comission she was writing a book," so that's all it takes for the McCain camp to agree on a moderator? I guess that's how they picked Palin. She didn't tell them she was a moron, so they assumed she was qualified to be VP.
As for "She didn't tell the debate comission she was writing a book," so that's all it takes for the McCain camp to agree on a moderator? I guess that's how they picked Palin. She didn't tell them she was a moron, so they assumed she was qualified to be VP.
It's nuts. As I keep saying, I find this information yesterday in under a minute, and it's not even my job to do so. McCain and Obama's camps have people whose job it is to vet moderators, surrogates and opponents. In politics, where everything is over-analyzed and nothing is left to chance, they missed this nugget that was out in the open? Please. It's working the refs; they made it a story so Ifill could not step aside, but it plays into their Big Bad Liberal Media storyline.
wow..i really hope that not all Obama supporters think like you because then that explains alot about him and his supporters
it has nothing to do with the fact she is black...have you read the book yourself? the whole book isnt about Obama but he is a good portion of it amongst 3 other mayors/senators who she references who are paving the way for african americans in politics
its funny no one other than Obama and his supporters have used the race issue
the more i read what you supporters write just on this message board makes me despise Obama and his supporters more
the thing is, the mccain campaign doesn't NEED to "use" (aka, actually mention) the "race issue". it exists, whether we admit it or not. the fact that obama supporters are talking about it doesn't mean they're making it up, just that they're shedding light in a corner of american politics where many people prefer to live in the dark.
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Once again, she didn't tell the debate commission.... they are her own words.
She should have informed the Election Commission, but this is also a failure on the part of the commission for not doing their research. She started the book before the Election Commission selected her.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
She should have informed the Election Commission, but this is also a failure on the part of the commission for not doing their research. She started the book before the Election Commission selected her.
Right. But, she should have informed them. You know, there's a number of people who replied on here saying something like "McCain knew, he had to have known ect". Well, why did Gwen not tell the Commision? I mean it's their job to find this stuff out.... and let's be honest, it's her job to disclose the information.
If the Commision didn't know about this, I do believe it is very possible that the McCain camp didn't know either. I'm not saying I "know" that they did or didn't know like some of you.... I'm saying I "think" it's very possible that McCain's staff did not know.
Why wouldn't she tell the Commision? She is very "with it" politically according to a number of people in this thread. So, she knows politics ect. She most likely would have known this may create a stir. Why would she not disclose the info? Seems odd to me.
If the Commision didn't know about this, I do believe it is very possible that the McCain camp didn't know either. I'm not saying I "know" that they did or didn't know like some of you.... I'm saying I "think" it's very possible that McCain's staff did not know.
This is what I'm not understanding. How is it 'possible' that they didn't know? I found out by plugging her name and Obama into a Google search engine, and it's not my job to know. There are plenty of people on McCain's staff who's job it is to know. You still, to my knowledge, have not answered that question.
This is what irritates me. Their position on this issue is based on the assumption that the majority of people watching the issue will not take a minute out of their day to inform themselves and come to the same decision I did. I think that's a crappy assumption for a campaign to make about the American people.
This is what I'm not understanding. How is it 'possible' that they didn't know? I found out by plugging her name and Obama into a Google search engine, and it's not my job to know. There are plenty of people on McCain's staff who's job it is to know. You still, to my knowledge, have not answered that question.
This is what irritates me. Their position on this issue is based on the assumption that the majority of people watching the issue will not take a minute out of their day to inform themselves and come to the same decision I did. I think that's a crappy assumption for a campaign to make about the American people.
Yes, I did answer the question. Read it. I can see how they would say to themselves, she did the debate last go-around. She wasn't awful. She's respected in her field. She'll be fine... and trusted that the Commision would have vetted her properly because this type of thing would make them look bad. That's all. I can see how it would happen. You can't. Great. I don't act like I KNOW the McCain camp didn't know. You are doing doing that in the opposite manner.... you are the one saying I KNOW the McCain camp did know. I'm replying... in fact, no you do not. Sorry.
he he next thing you will hear if that she can't attend tonight because she broke a nail what a bunch of crap go ahead reps keep believeing the choice your candidate made it will get better the more you say to your self repeat after me ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,you see it's working allready .....
They'd rather continue spewing their Rush/Hannity/BillO talking points to troll these boards.
Yep. Those who don't agree with you completely must be a troll. Come on man. Everyone who's not a staunch lefty please exit the board. This is a leftist only board.
This issue may not be important to you, but it may be to others. This is a discussion board about politics. This is certainly a political issue. So, it's 100% valid here. Don't label people something just because you don't agree with them politically.
he he next thing you will hear if that she can't attend tonight because she broke a nail what a bunch of crap go ahead reps keep believeing the choice your candidate made it will get better the more you say to your self repeat after me ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,she's not as dumb as a rock ,you see it's working allready .....
Wow man, I never thought about it that way. You are simply brilliant. Wow... that's all I can say. Geez. I bet Obama would hire you. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
One thing for sure, the debate will be very interesting this evening, to say the least. Issues aside. : )
No matter who the moderator, there would/will be some sort of "spin" ... I kind of wish it was Ann Coulter moderating, the madwoman extraordinaire. Spin is gonna happen, why not go all the way! Party up! Couldn't, wouldn't happen, for numerous reasons ...
If Sarah's Katie Couric interview is a warm up, well then ... strap in.
She definitely "sucks" in interviews, and if anyone believes it is just nerves, think about the big decisions she may one day have to make. Nerves will be a handy excuse ...
One thing for sure, the debate will be very interesting this evening, to say the least. Issues aside. : )
No matter who the moderator, there would/will be some sort of "spin" ... I kind of wish it was Ann Coulter moderating, the madwoman extraordinaire. Spin is gonna happen, why not go all the way! Party up! Couldn't, wouldn't happen, for numerous reasons ...
If Sarah's Katie Couric interview is a warm up, well then ... strap in.
She definitely "sucks" in interviews, and if anyone believes it is just nerves, think about the big decisions she may one day have to make. Nerves will be a handy excuse ...
Tonight will be interesting and telling.
don't get your hopes up ...
I'll bet she does fine ... the format (2 mins/2mins/30 secs/30 secs) doesn't give her enough time to dig too big a hole (same for Biden, honestly) ... she'll have some nice one liners (which, if there's no clapping or audience interaction, might be a lot flatter than normal) ... I'm sure something to say about Joe Biden voting for the war and Obama voting against it ...
I got a feeling it's going to be pretty underwhelming and the only things that "make news" are the things that are totally blown out of proportion (by Fox or MSNBC).
but ... again ... I admit it ... I hope she lays an egg.
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Wow man, I never thought about it that way. You are simply brilliant. Wow... that's all I can say. Geez. I bet Obama would hire you. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
i thought that would please you he he keep on believing after all she was hand picked by your candidate ha ha ha palin yeah ....
Right. But, she should have informed them. You know, there's a number of people who replied on here saying something like "McCain knew, he had to have known ect". Well, why did Gwen not tell the Commision? I mean it's their job to find this stuff out.... and let's be honest, it's her job to disclose the information.
If the Commision didn't know about this, I do believe it is very possible that the McCain camp didn't know either. I'm not saying I "know" that they did or didn't know like some of you.... I'm saying I "think" it's very possible that McCain's staff did not know.
Why wouldn't she tell the Commision? She is very "with it" politically according to a number of people in this thread. So, she knows politics ect. She most likely would have known this may create a stir. Why would she not disclose the info? Seems odd to me.
It does seem a bit odd, but the commission as well as each campaign has to approve the moderator, and I do find it hard to believe that the campaigns did not do a search on each of the moderators before giving the OK. Maybe McCain himself did not know but it is a hard pill to swallow to say that no one in his campaign knew that this woman was writing a book about Obama. To add, if the McCain campaign is so truly concerned about her objectiveness as a moderator why not demand that she step down and a new moderator be selected.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'll bet she does fine ... the format (2 mins/2mins/30 secs/30 secs) doesn't give her enough time to dig too big a hole (same for Biden, honestly) ... she'll have some nice one liners (which, if there's no clapping or audience interaction, might be a lot flatter than normal) ... I'm sure something to say about Joe Biden voting for the war and Obama voting against it ...
I got a feeling it's going to be pretty underwhelming and the only things that "make news" are the things that are totally blown out of proportion (by Fox or MSNBC).
but ... again ... I admit it ... I hope she lays an egg.
no hopes here ... it will be a bit entertaining. that is my cynical view.
it does scare me to think she could be the vp of this country. that being said we made it through bush/quayle ...
Once again, she didn't tell the debate commission.... they are her own words.
Sarah Palin must not have told the McCain camp what a complete moron she is . Thay didn't ask her. Whose fault is that? Again, the book isn't even a book about Obama specifically.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
this info on her book as been out since july you meant to tell me that the campaing mangr couldn't find this out when everyone else knew about the book ,damm desperate measures ...
To add, if the McCain campaign is so truly concerned about her objectiveness as a moderator why not demand that she step down and a new moderator be selected.
I think that would come of making them look like they can't deal with tough situations.
Going forward, it's a win win situation for them. Ifill will be fair, but they have a built in excuse/diversion if Palin does poorly, and they can add it to the "us vs. the liberal media" rallying cry to fire up the base.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I think that would come of making them look like they can't deal with tough situations.
Going forward, it's a win win situation for them. Ifill will be fair, but they have a built in excuse/diversion if Palin does poorly, and they can add it to the "us vs. the liberal media" rallying cry to fire up the base.
Exactly. I think the smart thing for Obama to do would be to ask her to step down and find someone else. Then Palin's excuse is gone and Obama looks like someone that wants to be fair, taking that out of McCain's pocket.
She cannot lose this debate. She can only be a victim of unfairness and the great liberal conspiracy.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
Yes, I did answer the question. Read it. I can see how they would say to themselves, she did the debate last go-around. She wasn't awful. She's respected in her field. She'll be fine... and trusted that the Commision would have vetted her properly because this type of thing would make them look bad. That's all. I can see how it would happen. You can't. Great. I don't act like I KNOW the McCain camp didn't know. You are doing doing that in the opposite manner.... you are the one saying I KNOW the McCain camp did know. I'm replying... in fact, no you do not. Sorry.
When you put it that way, you're completely right. I don't KNOW that the McCain camp had no idea about Ifill's book coming out in January, one she's talked about for months and has been on sale on Amazon for weeks. I also don't know that Joe Biden's not really an Al Qaeda trained operative set to assasinate Obama as soon as he is elected and bring about the destruction of the United States single-handedly. But I decided that wasn't the case based upon an educated guess based on facts. And the logical educated guess based on facts here is that considering the amount of people working on McCain's staff who's job it is to vet people, and how mind-numbingly easy it was to come across this information, it's likely that they knew about it but used to it to their own political advantage. If that's the case, fine. But don't make Americans out to be stupid by saying "you didn't know at all."
I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I'm using common sense. I don't really see common sense entering into the defense of your argument.
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She said today that she did not tell the debate commission about the book. Therefore, what you said is not correct. It's very very realistic that the McCain camp did not know about this until this week.
I'd say I chuckled to myself. yes.
O'Reilly isn't a journalist, but an op-ed commentator. If it was someone like Brit Hume or Chris Wallace, I'd wouldn't be totally thrilled, but I'd be ok with it until at least AFTER the debate if I saw some bias.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
dude ... you could have given a plethora of conservative journalists for your example - but you chose the outrageous for a reason ... it's because you know no one would gripe if that person has shown they can do the job ...
that is what it boils down to ... the reality is that if this was flipped and the moderator has shown they can do the job in the past - i would be writing the same thing ...
Forty-five seconds it took me. I don't know what to say if you're telling me a campaign of thousands of employees and volunteers didn't commit forty-five seconds of research to the VP moderator of this year. It's ludicrous to suggest they had no idea.
You're saying that they can find some bill that Obama voted on at least eight years ago and turn it into a vote on comprehensive sex education for minors, and they didn't do a Google search on the moderator of this VP debate? All they would have needed was the first page!
The facts just aren't with your position on this one, I don't believe.
Once again, she didn't tell the debate commission.... they are her own words.
While I believe that Gwen Ifill would be able to perform her duties as moderator and be as objective as possible I would prefer that see stepped aside, if only to make sure that their is no issue with the outcome. Unfortunately it is too late for that now and the results, if the debate goes favorably for Biden, will be scutinized and no matter how impartial gwen will be the GOp will use her book as an excuse for Palin's performance.
Never mind, there's no point to this. If you're not willing to answer the question, what's the point of debating it?
Answer this question: do you honestly think it's realistic to believe that, assuming Ifill has publicized this book for months (which she has), the McCain campaign knew nothing about it? I really don't see how anyone could believe such a thing.
As for "She didn't tell the debate comission she was writing a book," so that's all it takes for the McCain camp to agree on a moderator? I guess that's how they picked Palin. She didn't tell them she was a moron, so they assumed she was qualified to be VP.
It's nuts. As I keep saying, I find this information yesterday in under a minute, and it's not even my job to do so. McCain and Obama's camps have people whose job it is to vet moderators, surrogates and opponents. In politics, where everything is over-analyzed and nothing is left to chance, they missed this nugget that was out in the open? Please. It's working the refs; they made it a story so Ifill could not step aside, but it plays into their Big Bad Liberal Media storyline.
the thing is, the mccain campaign doesn't NEED to "use" (aka, actually mention) the "race issue". it exists, whether we admit it or not. the fact that obama supporters are talking about it doesn't mean they're making it up, just that they're shedding light in a corner of american politics where many people prefer to live in the dark.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
She should have informed the Election Commission, but this is also a failure on the part of the commission for not doing their research. She started the book before the Election Commission selected her.
Right. But, she should have informed them. You know, there's a number of people who replied on here saying something like "McCain knew, he had to have known ect". Well, why did Gwen not tell the Commision? I mean it's their job to find this stuff out.... and let's be honest, it's her job to disclose the information.
If the Commision didn't know about this, I do believe it is very possible that the McCain camp didn't know either. I'm not saying I "know" that they did or didn't know like some of you.... I'm saying I "think" it's very possible that McCain's staff did not know.
Why wouldn't she tell the Commision? She is very "with it" politically according to a number of people in this thread. So, she knows politics ect. She most likely would have known this may create a stir. Why would she not disclose the info? Seems odd to me.
This is what I'm not understanding. How is it 'possible' that they didn't know? I found out by plugging her name and Obama into a Google search engine, and it's not my job to know. There are plenty of people on McCain's staff who's job it is to know. You still, to my knowledge, have not answered that question.
This is what irritates me. Their position on this issue is based on the assumption that the majority of people watching the issue will not take a minute out of their day to inform themselves and come to the same decision I did. I think that's a crappy assumption for a campaign to make about the American people.
Yes, I did answer the question. Read it. I can see how they would say to themselves, she did the debate last go-around. She wasn't awful. She's respected in her field. She'll be fine... and trusted that the Commision would have vetted her properly because this type of thing would make them look bad. That's all. I can see how it would happen. You can't. Great. I don't act like I KNOW the McCain camp didn't know. You are doing doing that in the opposite manner.... you are the one saying I KNOW the McCain camp did know. I'm replying... in fact, no you do not. Sorry.
McCain already said he was fine with it ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZGtblX5OlY
But Fox News doesn't want to hear it ...
keep your eye OFF the ball people ... :rolleyes:
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I've posted that THREE times without response.
They'd rather continue spewing their Rush/Hannity/BillO talking points to troll these boards.
Yep. Those who don't agree with you completely must be a troll. Come on man. Everyone who's not a staunch lefty please exit the board. This is a leftist only board.
This issue may not be important to you, but it may be to others. This is a discussion board about politics. This is certainly a political issue. So, it's 100% valid here. Don't label people something just because you don't agree with them politically.
Here's what McCain said on the issue today....
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14207.html
...he's saying he hopes she's unbias. I hope that too. That's the point of the thread.
Wow man, I never thought about it that way. You are simply brilliant. Wow... that's all I can say. Geez. I bet Obama would hire you. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
One thing for sure, the debate will be very interesting this evening, to say the least. Issues aside. : )
No matter who the moderator, there would/will be some sort of "spin" ... I kind of wish it was Ann Coulter moderating, the madwoman extraordinaire. Spin is gonna happen, why not go all the way! Party up! Couldn't, wouldn't happen, for numerous reasons ...
If Sarah's Katie Couric interview is a warm up, well then ... strap in.
She definitely "sucks" in interviews, and if anyone believes it is just nerves, think about the big decisions she may one day have to make. Nerves will be a handy excuse ...
Tonight will be interesting and telling.
don't get your hopes up ...
I'll bet she does fine ... the format (2 mins/2mins/30 secs/30 secs) doesn't give her enough time to dig too big a hole (same for Biden, honestly) ... she'll have some nice one liners (which, if there's no clapping or audience interaction, might be a lot flatter than normal) ... I'm sure something to say about Joe Biden voting for the war and Obama voting against it ...
I got a feeling it's going to be pretty underwhelming and the only things that "make news" are the things that are totally blown out of proportion (by Fox or MSNBC).
but ... again ... I admit it ... I hope she lays an egg.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
i thought that would please you he he keep on believing after all she was hand picked by your candidate ha ha ha palin yeah ....
It does seem a bit odd, but the commission as well as each campaign has to approve the moderator, and I do find it hard to believe that the campaigns did not do a search on each of the moderators before giving the OK. Maybe McCain himself did not know but it is a hard pill to swallow to say that no one in his campaign knew that this woman was writing a book about Obama. To add, if the McCain campaign is so truly concerned about her objectiveness as a moderator why not demand that she step down and a new moderator be selected.
no hopes here ... it will be a bit entertaining. that is my cynical view.
it does scare me to think she could be the vp of this country. that being said we made it through bush/quayle ...
Sarah Palin must not have told the McCain camp what a complete moron she is . Thay didn't ask her. Whose fault is that? Again, the book isn't even a book about Obama specifically.
I think that would come of making them look like they can't deal with tough situations.
Going forward, it's a win win situation for them. Ifill will be fair, but they have a built in excuse/diversion if Palin does poorly, and they can add it to the "us vs. the liberal media" rallying cry to fire up the base.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Exactly. I think the smart thing for Obama to do would be to ask her to step down and find someone else. Then Palin's excuse is gone and Obama looks like someone that wants to be fair, taking that out of McCain's pocket.
She cannot lose this debate. She can only be a victim of unfairness and the great liberal conspiracy.
When you put it that way, you're completely right. I don't KNOW that the McCain camp had no idea about Ifill's book coming out in January, one she's talked about for months and has been on sale on Amazon for weeks. I also don't know that Joe Biden's not really an Al Qaeda trained operative set to assasinate Obama as soon as he is elected and bring about the destruction of the United States single-handedly. But I decided that wasn't the case based upon an educated guess based on facts. And the logical educated guess based on facts here is that considering the amount of people working on McCain's staff who's job it is to vet people, and how mind-numbingly easy it was to come across this information, it's likely that they knew about it but used to it to their own political advantage. If that's the case, fine. But don't make Americans out to be stupid by saying "you didn't know at all."
I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I'm using common sense. I don't really see common sense entering into the defense of your argument.