Objective Thread

catch22

Thecure wrote:

one can say that McCain idea abotu drilling for oil in america will reduce our dependnce on foreign Oil. McCain still has a plan fro non-renewable energy. as for the attacks, i believe that attacking Afganisatn was the right thing (not the war in Iraq). one can also say that building pipelines will create jobs. Obama in all honesty can be the same way becuase he is just saying that we must keep options on the table.

obama has said he wants us out of iraq and we should never have taken our focus off afghanistan, which is exactly what ive been saying for 6 years. mccain refuses to even admit that iraq might not have been such a good idea. building a pipeline will create some jobs that will end once it's done. it's more of the same economic policy. the fact is, america has to move away from the manufacturing economy. more of the same old jobs is not going to produce the kind of shift we need to carry this country in this new millenium. once the pipeline is done, those guys are back where they started with maybe a few added jobs maintaining it and the same problems all over the rest of the country. and that oil won't be ready for years and, as people have pointed out, won't affect gas prices and supplies for a decade in reality. it is not a solution. the focus is still on the same old ideas, just on steroids. fact is, those old ideas are just like a store burning off stock before closing. mccain is still running on that plan though, with a few token nods to new ideas. we need more than that. we need to recapture that american innovative spirit. we did it in silicon valley with the computer explosion. now the question is do we want to embrace renewable energy and place this country at the center of that or fall behind and let europe take the lead while we continue trying to pump oil into the few rusting factories still standing in the midwest before they get closed and shipped to canada? obama wants to make this like the space program or silicon valley, and it stands a chance of succeeding. mccain is not behind that. so i think his plan is a failure.

sweetpotato

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

from one shit disturber to another this really made me laugh.

you are one of the most polorized posters on this board (as am I)

That said, I'd never trade you in for the world cincy...

you complete me!

i get confused sometimes between you and CorporateWhore. are you both stupid, or is that just you?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ghetto Star wrote:

Can we write in a vote for Dennis Kucinich. Why does he remain a democrat. What are his flaws? A young wife? A tremendous zeal for taking it to the establishment? He is a pain in the ass and you have to respect that.

Kucinich was perceived as too short and wimpy. Most people want a cross between Brad Pitt and GI Joe.

Thecure

catch22 wrote:

obama has said he wants us out of iraq and we should never have taken our focus off afghanistan, which is exactly what ive been saying for 6 years. mccain refuses to even admit that iraq might not have been such a good idea. building a pipeline will create some jobs that will end once it's done. it's more of the same economic policy. the fact is, america has to move away from the manufacturing economy. more of the same old jobs is not going to produce the kind of shift we need to carry this country in this new millenium. once the pipeline is done, those guys are back where they started with maybe a few added jobs maintaining it and the same problems all over the rest of the country. and that oil won't be ready for years and, as people have pointed out, won't affect gas prices and supplies for a decade in reality. it is not a solution. the focus is still on the same old ideas, just on steroids. fact is, those old ideas are just like a store burning off stock before closing. mccain is still running on that plan though, with a few token nods to new ideas. we need more than that. we need to recapture that american innovative spirit. we did it in silicon valley with the computer explosion. now the question is do we want to embrace renewable energy and place this country at the center of that or fall behind and let europe take the lead while we continue trying to pump oil into the few rusting factories still standing in the midwest before they get closed and shipped to canada? obama wants to make this like the space program or silicon valley, and it stands a chance of succeeding. mccain is not behind that. so i think his plan is a failure.

you have made soem great points but here is some problems that i have. i understand that you believe that we must move away from manufacturing jobs btu teh question is how, you will hav eto train people to get new jobs in a new world (where is teh money coming from) if you remember McCain said in Michigan that the peopel jobs are not coming back and was booed off teh stage. Obama said that he will get those jobs back (won't call that a lie but not the truth) secondly, renewable energy is on both Obama and McCain campiagn. my opinion it will not be availabel for many many years just like the oil. however, i am alwasy concerned when their is one or 2 optiosn for energy as that might set up teh same situation that we hav enow with a couple of people having all the power, if that happesn they can raise teh price liek they do now for OIl. i believe that oil and renewable energy is the way to go as that gives us more options to choose from. finally, if it is true (i don't know) that Obama will raise taxes on coroporation on their money will they be as willing to invest in things like this. these are very importanr issues that are not as clear cut as peopel think. teh best answers mitgh be a mix of McCain and Obama poilices.

catch22

Thecure wrote:

you have made soem great points but here is some problems that i have. i understand that you believe that we must move away from manufacturing jobs btu teh question is how, you will hav eto train people to get new jobs in a new world (where is teh money coming from) if you remember McCain said in Michigan that the peopel jobs are not coming back and was booed off teh stage. Obama said that he will get those jobs back (won't call that a lie but not the truth) secondly, renewable energy is on both Obama and McCain campiagn. my opinion it will not be availabel for many many years just like the oil. however, i am alwasy concerned when their is one or 2 optiosn for energy as that might set up teh same situation that we hav enow with a couple of people having all the power, if that happesn they can raise teh price liek they do now for OIl. i believe that oil and renewable energy is the way to go as that gives us more options to choose from. finally, if it is true (i don't know) that Obama will raise taxes on coroporation on their money will they be as willing to invest in things like this. these are very importanr issues that are not as clear cut as peopel think. teh best answers mitgh be a mix of McCain and Obama poilices.

i believe obama has said any corporate tax increases would be offset for investment in alternative energy. that creates a strong incentive for r&d. it sets up the prospect of a green economy. yes, people will have to be trained, but that's a whole other jumpstart to the economy. tech colleges specializing in this stuff, etc.

i agree that limiting energy options is not good. i'm not talking about excluding oil entirely. but the thing is, there is plenty of oil. i know mccain has said he wants to promote alternative energy, but i don't know that he's seriously committed. i think his top priority is not shaking things up too much for the oil industry. and that means alternative energy will always be on the backburner until we have no other choice. i think obama is committed to revolutionizing this economy, and it needs it.

if mccain said that in michigan, that might be the most honest thing i've heard from him yet. old economy is done.

stupidcorporatewhore

sweetpotato wrote:

i get confused sometimes between you and CorporateWhore. are you both stupid, or is that just you?

he's the real corporate whore

I've often thought of offering to trade names with him, probably more appropriate.


but I'd be nothing without the sarcasm.