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  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    onelongsong wrote:
    i know it's a personal choice and i respect that. but google PMU MARES and see what your government allows. no animal should be treated like that. in the us; you'd go to jail for such treatment.

    I don't think the USA have any moral authority over animal treatment, sorry. Although, i agree, no animal should be treated like that. They're being treated like a product, which is definitly not right but not an isolate case to horse. BTW i don't want you to think i've ever ate horse.
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  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    btw onelongsong, thanks for the PMU google search suggestion, i don't know if that's what you had in mind, but i find this really interesting, something i didn't know:

    The Facts About Premarin®

    1. What is Premarin®?
    As the name implies, Premarin® is a conjugated estrogen product extracted from pregnant mares' urine (PMU). It is manufactured by Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories, Inc., and is most commonly prescribed for estrogen replacement therapy (ERT) to relieve hormonal deficiency symptoms associated with menopause or hysterectomy. More recently, it has been prescribed to help prevent osteoporosis and heart disease. Premarin® is the most widely used ERT drug, marketed for more than 50 years, and currently administered to more than nine million American women...(continue)...
    http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/equine_protection/the_facts_about_premarin.html

    edit: point 10 is interesting to me:
    10. What are the prospects for addressing these cruelties through new laws or government regulations?

    Not very good. Years ago, PMU farming was primarily situated in the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec. When animal-protection groups opposed the mistreatment of horses and PMU farms faced the certainty of regulatory reform, the entire industry simply moved its operations to the more accommodating provinces of western Canada. Given this history, if stringent regulations were enacted, PMU farms would likely relocate to other areas or to developing countries where there may be even less ability to influence the care the horses receive. PMU farming occurs in only two states in the U.S., so there is unlikely to be sufficient support for federal legislation.
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  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    but it's all part of the industry first capitalist system we live in,

    It's normal to give a fine to an individuals who throw litter in the street, but no fine to company polluting massively air and water.

    It's normal for individuals crossing our borders to pay taxes if they import some souvenirs, but not for company who trade billions of dollars in products.

    It's normal for individuals to have fine or jail time when they mistreat their dogs, but no fine for mega company mistreating thousands of animals (pigs, cows, horses!)

    Anyway... i could go on...
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    I've always said that if I couldn't live in Australia, I'd head for New Zealand first and Canada a close second. :)

    Canada is an amazing country and it sounds very much like you guys have suffered the same kind of bridesmaid bullshit that Australia has, only Australia is considered, (IF Australia's contribution is considered at all) more like the flower girl or the usher!

    Go Canada!! :D
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  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    Jeanie wrote:
    I've always said that if I couldn't live in Australia, I'd head for New Zealand first and Canada a close second. :)

    Canada is an amazing country and it sounds very much like you guys have suffered the same kind of bridesmaid bullshit that Australia has, only Australia is considered, (IF Australia's contribution is considered at all) more like the flower girl or the usher!

    Go Canada!! :D

    Funny I always thought if I had to leave Canada that I would go to Australia :D We do seem like kindred spirits. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride :rollleyes:
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    small town beck wrote:
    Funny I always thought if I had to leave Canada that I would go to Australia :D We do seem like kindred spirits. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride :rollleyes:

    :D Great minds girlie!
    Well I'm sure either or would be a highly satisfactory arrangement for both of us. :)

    so, not that I'm planning on getting married, but I guess if I did, I wasn't planning on bridesmaids either. but should I get married, you are more than invited. :)

    keep your eyes on the main game girl. you'll always be the bride. :)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    poor poor canada. :( welcome to the big wide world of imperialism, where the colonised are overlooked, ignored and treated like subservient peons they allow themselves to be. do countries make the decision to contribute troops to a war that may or may not be their own doing to be recognised for their valour? i'm australian and if i cared i'd be feeling your collective pain. :)
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Jeanie wrote:
    I've always said that if I couldn't live in Australia, I'd head for New Zealand first and Canada a close second. :)

    Canada is an amazing country and it sounds very much like you guys have suffered the same kind of bridesmaid bullshit that Australia has, only Australia is considered, (IF Australia's contribution is considered at all) more like the flower girl or the usher!

    Go Canada!! :D

    having been to all 3 countries - i'd pick NZ first ... although there are upsides and downsides for all 3 ...
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    polaris wrote:
    having been to all 3 countries - i'd pick NZ first ... although there are upsides and downsides for all 3 ...

    there's a down side to living in australia? :D
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    catefrances wrote:
    there's a down side to living in australia? :D

    you have no water
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    polaris wrote:
    you have no water

    sure we do. we're an island. we're surrounded by it. :D


    water water everywhere but....
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    catefrances wrote:
    sure we do. we're an island. we're surrounded by it. :D


    water water everywhere but....

    but ... you can't drink it ... :)

    in all seriousness, how are those water restrictions?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    polaris wrote:
    but ... you can't drink it ... :)

    in all seriousness, how are those water restrictions?

    well....apparently thign are so bad up in queensland that they're just about to dry up and fly away in the wind. :D but have no fear, rumour has it a river in my adjoining state is gonna be diverted to help the parched northerners. ah politicians, they have all the good answers don't they? :D
    but you know i don't waste water, so the restrictions are of no consequence to me.
    it's a shame that most of our rainfall is coastal and that does not help the farmers. but the people in the know reckon they are gonna recycle our poop and have us drink that. fat chance. :D
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    polaris wrote:
    but ... you can't drink it ... :)

    in all seriousness, how are those water restrictions?

    that's what beer is for apparently! ;)

    and the water restrictions completely blow!!

    the usual. all the people must shower in two seconds flat but industry can hose down concrete all day shit.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    catefrances wrote:
    ....... but the people in the know reckon they are gonna recycle our poop and have us drink that. fat chance. :D


    now cate, come on, no scaremongering! ;)

    you know that reverse osmosis is gonna save us all!!! :p

    johnny said so. :eek:
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Jeanie wrote:
    that's what beer is for apparently! ;)

    and the water restrictions completely blow!!

    the usual. all the people must shower in two seconds flat but industry can hose down concrete all day shit.

    ha! ... god forbid VB has to be rationed - we'd have a riot!
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    catefrances wrote:
    well....apparently thign are so bad up in queensland that they're just about to dry up and fly away in the wind. :D but have no fear, rumour has it a river in my adjoining state is gonna be diverted to help the parched northerners. ah politicians, they have all the good answers don't they? :D
    but you know i don't waste water, so the restrictions are of no consequence to me.
    it's a shame that most of our rainfall is coastal and that does not help the farmers. but the people in the know reckon they are gonna recycle our poop and have us drink that. fat chance. :D

    time to alter the accent and swim about 2,000 km SE ... ;)
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    polaris wrote:
    ha! ... god forbid VB has to be rationed - we'd have a riot!

    :eek: VB??? Oh you can have that!! Bloody vile stuff!! :eek:

    If you really want a nice beer on a hot day, a Cascade Premium or a Boag's is the way to go. Now there's a couple of beers that I might consider rioting over. ;)
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Jeanie wrote:
    :eek: VB??? Oh you can have that!! Bloody vile stuff!! :eek:

    If you really want a nice beer on a hot day, a Cascade Premium or a Boag's is the way to go. Now there's a couple of beers that I might consider rioting over. ;)

    it's better than fosters!! ... yeah ... the Boag's was good when i was there ...

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