Heads up. Senate meeting today.

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  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Generals asked by congress,

    "How can we turn this over when we are all done with all these obsticles?"

    Reference to Jordanian flag with the 1 in it. says in Iraqis dont take the philosophy of Iraq 1st, we will not succeed.

    (Assume all I type is paraphrased)
    If we don't let Iraqis know that we will eventually leave and we wont be there indefinately, how will they want to stand with us?

    General's response.
    We have made it clear to the Iraqis that we are going to cut. We have not helped the Iraqis. We are sending a message to the Iraqui people that they are second class. Surprised the Iraqi people have not stood up more.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    binger wrote:
    General's response.
    We have made it clear to the Iraqis that we are going to cut. We have not helped the Iraqis. We are sending a message to the Iraqui people that they are second class. Surprised the Iraqi people have not stood up more.

    That was Colonol Hammas...
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Batiste says "Liars Figure and Figures Lie"

    General Eaton says "We all should read the book "The 1% Doctrine"

    The southern accent Congressman says "The mission should be more of Training the Iraqis insteadof trying to kill the insurgents"

    Now they are having audio difficulties
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Jammin909 wrote:
    That was Colonol Hammas...

    Thanks, I'm listening mostly but I can't go back and forth and see who's talking. I'm glad someone else is too because I could just be up here typing whatever and that gives this more validity. Feel free to add in more!

    Now general's are being asked if we keep a unified Iraq or split country.
    Answer:
    A civil war costs usually 10% of the population and if we try to initate splitting the country, than civil war would ensue and would not go well, but if they iniate splitting the country and we support them, it may go better.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Senator Jay Rockefeller Dem WV
    Asked
    What are the consequences on at world wide basis. Implications for our future?
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    gen. Batiste

    our world is much less safe today than before 9/11 we created this insurgency, we let it grow, we let it blossom
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    binger wrote:
    Thanks, I'm listening mostly but I can't go back and forth and see who's talking. I'm glad someone else is too because I could just be up here typing whatever and that gives this more validity. Feel free to add in more!

    Now general's are being asked if we keep a unified Iraq or split country.
    Answer:
    A civil war costs usually 10% of the population and if we try to initate splitting the country, than civil war would ensue and would not go well, but if they iniate splitting the country and we support them, it may go better.

    Paraphrased...

    "Baghdad has the largest Shi'ite and Sunni populations in Iraq so splitting the country would be incredibly difficult if not impossible"

    "and the Sunni side would turn into an Afghanistan on steriods in reference to the instability and rise of insurgents"

    Colonol Hammas
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Also that we need to mobilize and win in Iraq nomatter what it takes because the alternative is too serious.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    On Reconstruction

    Batiste - "The rule of law does not exist in Iraq today."

    Hammas - As you build up areas of prosperity, that has to be done by Iraqi ministries with supervision. We dont give someone a bag of money and tell them to build a hospital without supervision.

    Sheumer - Thanking Generals and states "this is one of the most profound hearing he as been to in the many years in congress.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    it seems the people in the know are stating we will need to be in iraq for at LEAST another decade. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    my question is who is the WE that will be there for another decade? i cannot see too many people joining up to go over there. it seems the people that are real gung - ho for this nightmare are afraid to go there themselves, and you just cannot extend tours of duty for another decade. plus, W. has his itchy trigger finger on iran...... all this while North Korea stockpiles nukes. This president should hang for treason for this mess he lied us into. he has undermined the integrity, and the military capablitiyof the United States.
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Soldier stated to a general said "Here, I am, the best equipped soldierin the world and I'm embarassed to stand behing an Iraqi policeman who is standing in his blue shirt with no armourand an old AK that he is untrained to use"
    said 9 months after the war started. paraphrased

    We have units that are less than a year out from deployment and they have no equipment to train on.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Senator Clinton: said I can't belive I am on the armed services comittee and we have not had hearings like this.... I'm interested in asking each of you....given our mistakes, and indifferences...what could we do right now?...what are the most imperitive steps we could take right now assuming we could persuade the Pres and VP?"

    Batiste "we need a new sec of defense. we need to bring in the best and the brightest minds to figure this out. It is not america's best effort.. We need to mobilize this country in a serious way... we are not fighting a war...1% of the counrty is no enough...we haven't considered what it takes to win...our leaders haven't given us the inspiration"

    eaton "we need new military leadership...taht each of the administerations cabinet men=mbers sees this war as the soldier sees it...we have got to use every level of national power that we've got...we are 16,000 soldiers short and the army term t=for this is out of sync...we have got to look beyond this country...keep your friends close, your enimies closer..we are bankrupt at the national level.

    Hammas - we need to change leadership. we have to put the us gov't on a war time footing...we have to have the iraqi gov't as a whole our main goal... we are 60,000 soldiers short... we need a new incentive."


    Clinton "what would be the consequences of leaving?"

    Should we pull out without finishing the work we started, there will be a civil war.
    Kurds- have a goal to have an independant Kurdistan. Also more on the impact on Turkey, Iran, the shia and sunni clash. we got into this without doing our homework.
    Civil war will spread... enormous impact on the oil... increase in the insurgency... lus recreate Afghanistan for the terrorists.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Bryon Dorgan
    Another thanks to the generals because "this hearing could change our country."
    Announcing several additional hearings in the next several days.
    Talking about the Generals Pariotism.

    Hearing adjourned
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    what an amazing thing to watch. how can the white house possibly respond to this? they may not need to respond to it, because so little of the population is even aware that it happened, but if they do respond, how will that go? i know how it will start. "on september 11th, 2001 evil attacked our great country....." but what after that?
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Rummy's Response to the Generals comments: coming now on cspan 3

    Hamad Karzi speaking - thanking rummy for the national anthem he played. (ours?)
    here with 4-5 cabinet members.

    Rummy - The progress we have made in Afghanistan is notable. the n. atlantic treaty orginazation is engaged with NATO. engaged in assisting afghanistan with security issues. First asked in anyone from afghanistan here?


    Rummy "any time there is a war the forces that are involved are asked to do a great deal. I wont get into specifics. there are units that are asked to increase their time in the country. I'd rather wait and let announcements take their time."
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    watching rumsfeld act as if afghanistan is getting better...... i cant wait for the Q&A.
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    Q. again several retired generals have called for your resignation, do you plan to risign, and why or why not.

    A. no. next question
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Karzis message to American soldiers "they have liberated us from terrorism and tyrany to a country of prosperity...presence of american soldiers is also supplying security to the rest of the world by fighting terrorism. this is working for all of us around the year.

    to rummy. "Are you considering resigning and if so why not?"

    no answer or a simple no. I am listening and they went right into the next question which is about fighting poppys in afghanistan.

    The clip is over
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    That was informative and insightful. Interestingly just before this hearing started on c-span3 was a comittee meeting or a conference with Colin Powel, a Wal-Mart representitive and Tom Brokaw taking about how corporations can help America. Wish I'd payed more attention to that.

    Now on c-span 3 is a prayer to start the Values of 2006 election something. Praying for Rightous candidates.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    I think we should all call/email our local media and tell then they should run this. It is before the 5pm newscast and hopefully some of them will listen. I'm going to e-mail mine.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn

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