the military

sapperskunk

Byrnzie wrote:

But when we're talking about politics, morality, or anything else, then I'd rather trust intellectuals than military personnel. It's about looking at the big picture. You talk about me 'only receiving bullshit', and 'only getting garbage', and yet you neglect to mention what I've said that's garbage, or what it is that i've read that's garbage. It's o.k to come on and here and say "I've been there and so i know what's 'really' going on. Everything you've been told is bullshit", but it doesn't wash with me. You say that you support the war in Iraq. Fine. But don't tell me that my views on the war are bullshit without backing up your statements with some facts.

When did I ever say your views on the war are bullshit? Re-read my posts, I think you've misinterpeted me when I said "garbage or bullshit", I'm not talking about your views, I'm talking about your sources. You can think and theorize however you want, believe me I don't care, the majority of my friends don't support the war and I don't give them shit about it. I'm merely calling information that isn't necessarily factual or possibly based predominantly on political theory like the forementioned intellectualls you mentioned earlier as not being the best place to interpit and analyze your position. I don't pretend to know what's going on there now, I knew what was going on when I was there 3 years ago, although a lot hasn't changed according to buddies that have recently gotten back. What I have learned, is that the media in every way shape or form, to include commentators all spin in one way or another. BE WARY.

And as far as a solution, I don't know. There are two things I and I think everyone else wants.

1. Troops Home
2. Iraq not FUCKED

I'm not the right person to make that decision, that's why we have "intellectualls" and a congress and committee's. They just put together the one for Iraq, the only name I recognized was Sandra Day O'Connor. In my wildest dreams would I be creative enough to draw up a plan where everything works and everyones represented and happy. I do have my suspicions though on a timeframe.

People ask me all the time how long where going to be out there, to which I always answer with another question.

"How long have we been in the Balkans?"

Byrnzie

sapperskunk wrote:

When did I ever say your views on the war are bullshit? Re-read my posts, I think you've misinterpeted me when I said "garbage or bullshit", I'm not talking about your views, I'm talking about your sources. You can think and theorize however you want, believe me I don't care, the majority of my friends don't support the war and I don't give them shit about it. I'm merely calling information that isn't necessarily factual or possibly based predominantly on political theory like the forementioned intellectualls you mentioned earlier as not being the best place to interpit and analyze your position. I don't pretend to know what's going on there now, I knew what was going on when I was there 3 years ago, although a lot hasn't changed according to buddies that have recently gotten back. What I have learned, is that the media in every way shape or form, to include commentators all spin in one way or another. BE WARY.

And as far as a solution, I don't know. There are two things I and I think everyone else wants.

1. Troops Home
2. Iraq not FUCKED

I'm not the right person to make that decision, that's why we have "intellectualls" and a congress and committee's. They just put together the one for Iraq, the only name I recognized was Sandra Day O'Connor. In my wildest dreams would I be creative enough to draw up a plan where everything works and everyones represented and happy. I do have my suspicions though on a timeframe.

People ask me all the time how long where going to be out there, to which I always answer with another question.

"How long have we been in the Balkans?"

Fair enough. Although I do have a weakness of trusting 'intellectuals' such as Robert Fisk, who has spent much of his life in the middle east and who certainly doesn't follow any party line. These people have their ears to the ground so to speak.
You're right in saying that this thread has gotten away from it's original intention. But then I suppose that was kind of inevitable. These things tend to drift this way on the board.
I was asked on here the other day what i thought would be a viable solution to to the situation over there, and to be honest I don't have an answer. Although what I have said after giving it some thought is that it would not be right/practical for the U.S and U.K to pull out any time soon. Simply because we created this mess and so we should stay and suffer the consequences. If we were to withdraw now then I think we'd see a bloodbath on a scale bigger than that seen in the Balkans, and the repercussions would also eclipse anything we witnessed in the Balkans.
All of this was predicted prior to the invasion. It's a shame that money and greed so often override intelligence.

sapperskunk

Byrnzie wrote:

Fair enough. Although I do have a weakness of trusting 'intellectuals' such as Robert Fisk, who has spent much of his life in the middle east and who certainly doesn't follow any party line. These people have their ears to the ground so to speak.
You're right in saying that this thread has gotten away from it's original intention. But then I suppose that was kind of inevitable. These things tend to drift this way on the board.
I was asked on here the other day what i thought would be a viable solution to to the situation over there, and to be honest I don't have an answer. Although what I have said after giving it some thought is that it would not be right/practical for the U.S and U.K to pull out any time soon. Simply because we created this mess and so we should stay and suffer the consequences. If we were to withdraw now then I think we'd see a bloodbath on a scale bigger than that seen in the Balkans, and the repercussions would also eclipse anything we witnessed in the Balkans.
All of this was predicted prior to the invasion. It's a shame that money and greed so often override intelligence.

You know for the most part, you and I see eye to eye. Stay cool.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Fair enough. Although I do have a weakness of trusting 'intellectuals' such as Robert Fisk, who has spent much of his life in the middle east and who certainly doesn't follow any party line. These people have their ears to the ground so to speak.
You're right in saying that this thread has gotten away from it's original intention. But then I suppose that was kind of inevitable. These things tend to drift this way on the board.
I was asked on here the other day what i thought would be a viable solution to to the situation over there, and to be honest I don't have an answer. Although what I have said after giving it some thought is that it would not be right/practical for the U.S and U.K to pull out any time soon. Simply because we created this mess and so we should stay and suffer the consequences. If we were to withdraw now then I think we'd see a bloodbath on a scale bigger than that seen in the Balkans, and the repercussions would also eclipse anything we witnessed in the Balkans.
All of this was predicted prior to the invasion. It's a shame that money and greed so often override intelligence.

finally something we agree on. very well said response. as you remember I was the one who asked you what should be done in Iraq. I'm sure it was easy for you to blast the current plan without coming up with suggestions yourself.

except that last sentence. had to be somthin,

monday morning quaterbacking is easy. predicating and planning before war is alot easier compared to when it really happens. much like the fuck up of hurricane katrina.

money and greed overriding intelligence is just an opinion.