So, this Iran shit, are we gonna get it on or what?

El_Kabong

lucylespian wrote:

I don't either, but I don think that starting to harrass Iran just puts them into a defensive position where they will start talking aggressively to make teh US BAck off. Tihs is what happenes with SAddam. There was no reason no to let weapons inspectors in, I mean it turned out he had nothing to hide, but he was just protecting his pride.
It is NEVER smart to paint people in to a corner, and I just get the impression that even talking about military action is the thing which is most likely to lead to a need for it.
Why don't we try increasing econmoic ties, rather than reducing them ?? People rarely attack their economic friends, but they will attack if they feel defensive, or if they think they have nothing to lose.
I have met plenty of Iranians and intrinsically, they are wonderful people. They have a long history of culture and civilization, and though radical Islam scares me as much as the next guy, they quite might consider the US to be a wet behind teh ewasr upstart when it comes to world domination.

excellent post!

Cosmo

My take... No. Not even George W. Bush is that stupid... or Dick Cheney that arrogant to take us into Iran.
We have lost any bargaining position we had regarding Iran. We misplayed Iraq in so poorly.... that we have probably strenghtened Iran's (and Syria's) hand. We have let the oportunity for Iran and Syria to broker a peace deal in Iraq... how's that for irony? I am hoping that Iran and Syria screw that deal up worse than we did to at least get us back to a level field in the region.
Iraq right now in a national civil war... to allow it to spread to a regional civil war between Sunnis (in places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan) and Shi'ites (Iran and Iraq) would have terrible immeidate consequences that will last for a long, long time.
We are at least opening a dialogue with Iran and Syria (something the experience of James Baker suggested and George W. Bush initially rejected). I am glad George has 'flip-flopped' on this because like it or not, he has painted us into this corner and now we HAVE to deal with Iran (and Syria) on their terms, not ours. Failure to do so would possibly allow Iran to be the one to bring stability to Iraq.
A complete bizarro outcome that is a possible scenario... Iranian troops invited in by the Shi'ite lead Iraqi government... resulting in U.S. and Iranian troops in a 'coalition' to stabilize Baghdad. If the Iraqis initiate this... how does America react? What else can we do? Withdraw and leave it all to Iranian troops? Train Iranian troops in U.S. military tactics.. with U.S. taxpayer dollars? Not probable... but, definately a possibility in that strange part of the world. Stranger shit has happened... and in this royal fuck up of all fuck ups... anything is possible.

El_Kabong

is it possible we're already in iran?

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gardiner-iran/

down a little is a short video w/ a retired air force colonel who says some say we already in iran, the house committee on emerging threats called on state and defense departments to testify if this were true or not....the officials didn't show up

is this operation southern focus all over again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Southern_Focus

my2hands

i see nothing wrong with handing a 30 year war to our children.

Drew263

I'm concerned that the drums of war are beating again.