So, this Iran shit, are we gonna get it on or what?
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Thoughts? I'm kinda bored with the train lately...so I thought I would start a war thread. Always good debate. A lot of talk about our Special Forces already being in Iran, I wouldn't doubt it.
Anyone here agree with attacking Iran?
Anyone here agree with attacking Iran?
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08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
I never said I agreed with attacking Iran, I asked if anyone else here did. I simply asked if we were gonna get it on or not...just wondering what you thought.
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I think the world needs to establish a greater communication with Iran. That includes the United States. We need to know exactly what their ambissions are. Is there a particular reason why Iran cannot have Nuclear Power? Iranians can be very rational people when given the opportunity. The issue needs to be diffused, it needs diplomatic efforts that have never really been exercised.
That's just my opinion.
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Barack Obama does!
"The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?" Obama asked.
Given the continuing war in Iraq, the United States is not in a position to invade Iran, but missile strikes might be a viable option, he said. Obama conceded that such strikes might further strain relations between the U.S. and the Arab world.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-0409250111sep25,1,6128171.story?coll=chi-elections-utl&ctrack=1&cset=true
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yeah good idea America, kick yourself in the balls a second time. Make more friends in the Arab world with air strikes- they have achieved so much in Iraq. WTF is wrong with your mindset that you love war so much?
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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hard to know for sure because they lie
because they openly hate and call for the destruction of Israel and also openly hate america. daily chanting "Death to America" during every prayer session. how's that?
Iranians sure. but not the government or the ones who have their finger on the trigger of a nuke.
worth a shot
Hey, make sure and get back to us after Iran wipes Israel off the map, let us know how you feel then. Thanks
I'm against it because we don't have the number of troops or national resolve to pick another fight in this fucked up region of the world. It would be another essentially unilateral strike only we'd have less of a "coalition of the willing" than we did before. I just wan to get through the next couple of years with W. without having to worry about starting another war.
why should israel have nukes and not iran? what makes israel so special?
And no, no one wants a war with Iran. We want to talk with them. Big difference.
Missle strikes aren't talking. And not all of the candidates are talking about missle strikes as a possible option.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Edit, adding an article about Romney (see last paragraphs):
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/363645.html
There are some who may not agree strongly with any of my arguments, and instead believe the propaganda: Iran and her President, Mahmoud Almadinjad, are thoroughly irresponsible and have threatened to destroy Israel. So all measures must be taken to prevent Iran from getting nukes-- thus the campaign to intimidate and confront Iran.
First, Iran doesn’t have a nuke and is nowhere close to getting one, according to the CIA. If they did have one, using it would guarantee almost instantaneous annihilation by Israel and the United States. Hysterical fear of Iran is way out of proportion to reality. With a policy of containment, we stood down and won the Cold War against the Soviets and their 30,000 nuclear weapons and missiles. If you’re looking for a real kook with a bomb to worry about, North Korea would be high on the list. Yet we negotiate with Kim Jong Il. Pakistan has nukes and was a close ally of the Taliban up until 9/11. Pakistan was never inspected by the IAEA as to their military capability. Yet we not only talk to her, we provide economic assistance-- though someday Musharraf may well be overthrown and a pro-al Qaeda government put in place. We have been nearly obsessed with talking about regime change in Iran, while ignoring Pakistan and North Korea. It makes no sense and it’s a very costly and dangerous policy.
The conclusion we should derive from this is simple: It’s in our best interest to pursue a foreign policy of non-intervention. A strict interpretation of the Constitution mandates it. The moral imperative of not imposing our will on others, no matter how well intentioned, is a powerful argument for minding our own business. The principle of self-determination should be respected. Strict non-intervention removes the incentives for foreign powers and corporate interests to influence our policies overseas. We can’t afford the cost that intervention requires, whether through higher taxes or inflation. If the moral arguments against intervention don’t suffice for some, the practical arguments should.
Intervention just doesn’t work. It backfires and ultimately hurts American citizens both at home and abroad. Spreading ourselves too thin around the world actually diminishes our national security through a weakened military. As the superpower of the world, a constant interventionist policy is perceived as arrogant, and greatly undermines our ability to use diplomacy in a positive manner.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Now that's a surprise! hehe
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Is Israel threatening to wipe other countries off the map? They have nukes to deter all of the hostile countries in the region that would like to see them eliminated.
Seconded.
ah, quite your whining! how dare you discuss actual stances and expose the 2 party system we have as a complete sham!!! we shouldn't be focusing on how it's basically the same thing or issues, rather how personable and electable the candidate is so we can live in this illusion that it will matter much in the end but at least you get bragging rights for 4 years, right?
why keep supporting the cycle?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
war makes a lot of money for some...halliburton alone went from $10 a share when they were pushing for war to mid 70's-80...think of how much all those bombs and new weapons cost
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If Iran had safe renewable energy, and we had safe renewable energy, (meaning less foreign oil from SA, et al.) would there even be conflict? Probably, but who knows.
Same for every nation. Isnt it all about energy/money?
Nuclear fission
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
oh quit your nonsense. if you cant see the differences between the parties you're blind. the dems are baby-killers and jesus endorses the republicans... duh!
iranians are persians, not arabs.
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